What the hell do people have against Twilight Princess?

I don't think that I didn't like twilight princess.

...I dunno. Twilight Princess's review ratings are higher than Majora's Masks and ties with Wind Waker, but higher, up there with OoT. 95% average which of course rounds up to a 10/10...and it deserves no less. To me TP shared some of the same flaws TWW had which is disappointing but TP fixed many technical problems I had with TWW. I won't lie I love Twilight Princess, I'm the definition of a true Zelda fan because I am a OoT fangirl, a MM fangirl, a TP fangirl, a LA fangirl, a ALttP fangirl, a TWW fangirl, a PH fangirl, a FSA fangirl, a OoA fangirl, a TMC fangirl, a OoS fangirl, a AoL fangirl and a LoZ fangirl.

I love them all for different reasons, I may like some over others but I would never say I down right hate a Zelda game, anyone who pulls that crap can't really be labeled a "fan" of the best franchise in the world. TP is my 3rd favorite Zelda game, snuggled between MM and LA.

I thought TP was a good Zelda game because it had more of that Zelda FEEL than WW did. But WW was good in its own right for sure. What is funny to me is that I distinctly remember that when WW came out, more than enough Zelda fans complained that they wanted an OOT rehash instead. They got that in TP and many of those same fans STILL complained over what they wanted in the first place.

It goes to show you that the Zelda fandom will continue to have that reputation as a fanbase of whiners and complainers. No matter how good the next Zelda game is, the more rabid diehard fanbase will surely find something to bi*ch and moan about anyway.

It goes to show you that the Zelda fandom will continue to have that reputation as a fanbase of whiners and complainers. No matter how good the next Zelda game is, the more rabid diehard fanbase will surely find something to bi*ch and moan about anyway.

My thoughts exactly...the fanbase is completely polarized though, each fan seems to take a distinctive side for every Zelda issue. Meaning it's impossible to make the entire fanbase happy, ever again.

WHAT? so called Zelda fans hate TP, why? because they claim its boring? Boring is spending a half hour sailing between islands. (I'm not say I don't like WW just that that part of the game was a bit tedious) As for not liking it because its to much like past games???? Excuse me but I have loved legend of zelda from way back when the first game came out on the NES. I love the way the games plays and how each game is a bit different but holds on to that basic Zeldaness that I love and that sets it apart from other RPGs. WW is my least favorite of the games because it is the largest deviation from what I consider zeldaness.

So to all the people who don't like TP because its to much like a Zelda game, I have on thing to say, there are thousands of games out there. If you want something different GO PLAY ANOTHER GAME!!!!

Disclaimer: These are my opinions and are not meant to be represented as fact or to say someone else's opinions are wrong (even if they are ) or to hurt anyone's feelings. its only a game after all.

Allow me to clarify my statements. I throw around words like "suck" and "hate", but honestly I know that it's a good game. I am exaggerating for effect, as that's a lot funner than writing seriously. The fact is that even a good game by normal standards can suck at being Zelda, and that's what Twilight Princess did.

The improvements were fantastic as far as graphical and control quality. Trying to go back to the other 3D Zeldas just makes it obvious how much better Twilight Princess felt with it's non-sucky camera control and smooth animation. Even little things like being able to switch instantly from first-person looking to first-person aiming make me wish the old games were that good. The level design was well done, it was (relatively) non-glitchy, and the combat control was better than it had ever been (except for swing direction which, for some reason, only read the first and last hits of a combo).
All in all, a good game. But not art.

Originally Posted by RavenWolf

WHAT? so called Zelda fans hate TP, why? because they claim its boring? Boring is spending a half hour sailing between islands. (I'm not say I don't like WW just that that part of the game was a bit tedious) As for not liking it because its to much like past games???? Excuse me but I have loved legend of zelda from way back when the first game came out on the NES. I love the way the games plays and how each game is a bit different but holds on to that basic Zeldaness that I love and that sets it apart from other RPGs. WW is my least favorite of the games because it is the largest deviation from what I consider zeldaness.

So to all the people who don't like TP because its to much like a Zelda game, I have on thing to say, there are thousands of games out there. If you want something different GO PLAY ANOTHER GAME!!!!

Disclaimer: These are my opinions and are not meant to be represented as fact or to say someone else's opinions are wrong (even if they are ) or to hurt anyone's feelings. its only a game after all.

Deviation is the heart of the Zelda series. Every Zelda game before has deviated from the series norm, are you so blind as to not see that?

Originally Posted by Mandrag

Deviation is the heart of the Zelda series. Every Zelda game before has deviated from the series norm, are you so blind as to not see that?

Yes every Zelda game has been different, to a point, from its predecessors but they all retain that basic Zelda feel. All I was saying was that so far, in my opinion WW and to a lesser extent PH where on the outer edge and had the least amount of that Zelda feel when compared to all the other Zelda's as a whole. And again like I stated in my post it is all my opinion as a life long Zelda player.

Maybe I could of said it better but I am tired of people complaining about the game franchises they claim to be fans of. If they want such radical change to the point that it doesn't feel like a Zelda game anymore then what’s the point? If I wanted something different from what a Zelda game is I would go play another game. Its like the people who complain that every Pokemon game is the same because you have to got through and capture pokemon, when that is the very essence of a Pokemon game. You can have different features and different stories to keep things fresh without changing the essence of a game.

How many of these threads are there going to be.

People don't like TP, when will the TP fan brigade quit jamming the forums of OMG YOU MUST LOVE IT! YOU SERIES HATER! spam threads because peoples views don't coincide with there own.

What do people have against it?

Maybe its the inconsistancy in general such as how Hyrule Castle transforms into a diffrent castle halfway threw the game or how diffrent floors have there own weather patterns, Maybe it was the generic gameplay and storyline that hasn't really evolved much, the story in the end was so poorly written it was like bad fan-fiction shoe horning Ganondorf in purely for the "OMG he's kool!" factor, the soundtrack wasn't inspired, the town's wasn't well designed with flat npc's with no character development, background, personality, depth or growth with the only exception of Midna with the rest of the cast very toony and joke a minute in there appearance, Replay value was limited along with a world with very little life in it, In the past NPC's never updated there text, now they don't even HAVE it and good luck trying to find a sign of life outside Hyrule Town. Then we get the useless one use items, Some of them may of had 1 or 2 uses outside the dungeon but that was pretty much it, then theres the dungeons, easy, badly layed out for its "background" the arbitor's ground didnt contain a single cell or shackle, It was more luxurious then the castle, the castle changed shape twice in the game and made no sence, badly designed, and layed out and stupidly short.

And if they ever bring back the light saturation effect, I will force the developers to watch Legally Blond 1 and 2 for 24 hours. when I was going up Hyrule Castle, renamed from this point pointless staircase castle, and you went on to the parapet and the light saturation was so bad you couldnt make anything out it was so bright but oddly enough on the next floor outside was pitch black and raining, (Continunity?) in a unlit Throne room high on a roomless tower open to the wind and rain.

*Thread moved to GameCube & Wii Zelda*

Btw, the music was a problem by itself. It was MIDI, to my great disappointment, and not orchestrated. Well, most of it was MIDI.

Don't get me wrong though, I thoroughly enjoyed TP. It's the best Zelda game, but it is definitely NOT PERFECT.

This topic has been run into the ground. You're riding a dead horse. People seem to either love TP or hate it, but it doesn't matter because people are entitled to their opinions. Me - I love it. Are there things I would change? Definitely. So I can understand why there are TP haters out there.

Originally Posted by Lunar6

As if to say that the series has everdone really well with doing anything to innovate the series. Each games' sense of innovation is just it's own gameplay element, but they all have the same problem: the quality of their innovation wanes as the game progresses, because they're usually the most overly utilized aspects for how little they were really developed. Pardon me for sounding a little pessimistic, but as good as the series is, if they bothered with better execution of "innovation", then:

WW would have been less infamous for its tedium
MM would have actually had a worthwhile use of the traditional formula
PH wouldn't have suffered from repetition as much as Assassin's Creed and DMC4 combined.
OOT would have a little more replay value to it
TP's pacing would have been less noticeably linear
AoL wouldn't have sucked

To this end, all of the Zelda games' innovations contributed in some level to their biggest faults.

Originally Posted by Lunar6

Really, what people consider 'innovation' for Zelda games tend to be nothing more than the most tedious or controversal aspects of the game. Refinement and proper execution matters more than innovation and sheer concept. So far, no Zelda game has really ever done both at once, at least not well, but if there ever were to be one like, then that Zelda would have my vote for best Zelda ever. Calling TP an OOT rehash is roughly the same as calling ALTTP an LoZ rehash.

THese are things Id said in the past about the matter of innovation (the lack of which being the least groundless complaint for TP). TP not being "creative" was a smart move beyond anything else. It doesn't take innovation to do good with the series formula (especially since it only ever hindered where the real quality in the games were due to their bad execution), which they knew with TP, but apparently the fans didn't in being so delusionally set on considering what they call creativity the name of the game when it's anything but.

Originally Posted by Mandrag

Deviation is the heart of the Zelda series. Every Zelda game before has deviated from the series norm, are you so blind as to not see that?

I think everyne sees it, but others ae so blind as to not see that they were the worst parts of each experience.

Because that's the difference between an 8/10 game (Twilight Princess) and a 10/10 game. (Majora's Mask)

Majora's Mask was a 7/10 in all honesty, and is a prime example of my above point due to how much it emphasized on it.

Originally Posted by Lunar6

Majora's Mask was a 7/10 in all honesty, and is a prime example of my above point due to how much it emphasized on it.

Right. Can't say I agree with you. At all.

Originally Posted by UltraLight

Btw, the music was a problem by itself. It was MIDI, to my great disappointment, and not orchestrated. Well, most of it was MIDI.

Don't get me wrong though, I thoroughly enjoyed TP. It's the best Zelda game, but it is definitely NOT PERFECT.

Yeah I very much perfer the Zelda games that have orchestrated music...


Wait a sec! All the Zelda games have all MIDI music. :| What a disappointment.

In my opinion Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask and Twilight Princess deserve 10/10's. They are all very strong games that do best as "stand-alones" All three games have a unique Zelda feel, all leaving me warm and fuzzy inside.

People who don't like TP say the story was bad, but it doesn't change the fact that it won developer awards for it's story which had some of the best dialouge I've read in a Japanese video game. It also doesn't change the fact that many people loved the characters and continue to obsess over Midna's character who was undoubtably the most developed character in the entire series.

TP just felt too uninspired for me.

OoT brought Zelda into 3D and introduced revolutionary gameplay mechanics.

MM had the whole mask thing which was pretty damn creative.

WW had the most vibrant over+underworld I've seen in a Zelda game, plus it had my favourite appearance of Ganondorf.

TP... just didn't have much. Considering it's the fourth 3D game in a series with OoT, MM and WW preceding it, I was expecting more... originality.

first of all let me point out that the reason legend of zelda the twilight princess for nintentdo wii and gamecube had a dark shadowy overworld and look for a reason. world of shadows, taken over by evil spirits ring a bell??? (maybe if you played the game you'd know what iwas talking about) anyone who says that they thought the overworld was boring NOT ONLY doesnt appreciate shirgui miyamoto's vision, but is also a racist. gee, not liking black or brown things? subprimal fear of darkie much? im not surprised

...And why does everyone care why we don't like a game? What does that actually matter?

Because you hate it very loudly.

Originally Posted by ~*HILYIANKNIGHT88*~

first of all let me point out that the reason legend of zelda the twilight princess for nintentdo wii and gamecube had a dark shadowy overworld and look for a reason. world of shadows, taken over by evil spirits ring a bell??? (maybe if you played the game you'd know what iwas talking about) anyone who says that they thought the overworld was boring NOT ONLY doesnt appreciate shirgui miyamoto's vision, but is also a racist. gee, not liking black or brown things? subprimal fear of darkie much? im not surprised

Lol "shirgui"?

And the Wii was Miyamoto's vision. *looks at your sig*

You hypocrite.

BECAUSE THERE WAS NO ****ING CREATIVITY.

This is a case of seeing what you want to see.

Or exaggeration.

Take your pick.

Originally Posted by Abyss Master

This is a case of seeing what you want to see.

Or exaggeration.

Take your pick.

"Creativity" isn't the word.

The word is "originality".