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Old 08-25-2007, 05:05 AM
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Zant's curse

When Link pulls the Master Sword,Zants curse is put into a small,shell like object that Link can use to control which form he takes.But why does Midna suddenly have it?Maybe Zant's curse was an ancient Twili art which Zant (controlled by Ganon)corrupted.Maybe when Midna got near the Master Sword,the Master Sword used her Twili powers to make a gift in which Link can transform whenever he likes,not a curse.Because where did that little shell come from otherwise?
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Old 08-25-2007, 05:49 AM
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Re: Zant's curse

hmm, I belive zant put the shell thing in links head when they met at lanyru's fountain, but mabye the master sword did somehow make it into a helpfull item, because midna could not pull it out to begin with
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Old 08-25-2007, 07:12 AM
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Re: Zant's curse

Zant's curse is dark magic, not Twili magic.

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The reason it came out of Link is because no evil can touch the Master Sword, and dark magic, especially the blend Ganondorf uses, is evil. Midna has nothing to do with it. She only decides to keep it.

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Old 08-25-2007, 03:24 PM
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Re: Zant's curse

Why does Midna suddenly have possesion of it then?And how does she know how to work it?
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Re: Zant's curse

A better question would be: how did the crystal even form? Link just jumped head-first into an energy blast Zant was preparing to kill Midna with. Furthermore, you'd think Link would die with a crystal shoved straight into his brain.

Another subject to be thought of is why can Midna touch it without any damaging effects? And if Link carries the Master Sword with him at all times, how does he enter wolf form?
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Re: Zant's curse

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Why does Midna suddenly have possesion of it then?And how does she know how to work it?
She simply grabs it or focuses it into the crystal, and probably places it into whatever rift she tosses the sword and shield when Link transforms. She looks surprised when it focuses on her hand- I doubt she did anything.

The Interlopers, her ancestors, were known for their skill at magic. When talented magicians breed, their children will be also talented. Despite it being different, Midna most likely knows the basics of magic, making turning on and off a curse very simple.

EDIT: Average Gamer, the crystal is formed from all the dark magic the Master Sword sloughs off Link. Midna takes care of the main equipment, via the disappearing technique she illustrates when she vanishes the first sword and shield.
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Old 08-25-2007, 03:41 PM
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But the curse wasnt Twili magic the gift was.
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But the curse wasnt Twili magic the gift was.
What gift?

Yes, the curse is dark magic. We know very little about how magic works in Zelda, and if Midna, who probably knows a great deal of magic, can manipulate a piece of magic that is different from the magic she uses, there are probably some similarities at a basic level. Turn the curse off, turn the curse on. Suppress the curse's influence by her own magic, stop suppressing it. There's plenty ways to do so for a skilled magic user.
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Old 08-25-2007, 03:53 PM
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the curse disappeared and a gift was aquired when Midna's Twili magic gained the ability 2 transform Link
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the curse disappeared and a gift was aquired when Midna's Twili magic gained the ability 2 transform Link
The physical form of the curse? It's never called a gift, and Midna tells us that she uses the curse crystal to transform Link.

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Yes, since Zant was kind enough to give this to us, we should be thankful and
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If you need it, just call me. I want to keep a low profile, so I'll hide in
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You can be a wolf anytime you like! Also, thanks to this thing, you can warp
whenever you want by switching into wolf form...
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Re: Zant's curse

Just to clear things up here. I am pretty sure Midna did not make that crystal. Right after he turns Link into a wolf, you see that crystal go right into Link's skull.

If I am wrong, I am sorry. I will find out soon, since I am replaying TP, and I am almost at that part (just have to beat Morpheel first).
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Re: Zant's curse

Eralk, the crystal was formed seconds after Link pwned himself in Lanayru's Shrine. It sank into Link's skull. I'm wondering how it was made since Link just jumped head-first into the energy ball Zant was going to kill Midna with.

Also, unless Midna switches out the Master Sword for the crystal, when she tries to use it on Link, shouldn't the Master Sword repel it? Is there any reason why it doesn't do anything to Midna?
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Old 08-26-2007, 12:46 PM
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Eralk, the crystal was formed seconds after Link pwned himself in Lanayru's Shrine. It sank into Link's skull. I'm wondering how it was made since Link just jumped head-first into the energy ball Zant was going to kill Midna with.
After looking at the cutscene, it appears to be magic when inside a person and only solid outside.

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Also, unless Midna switches out the Master Sword for the crystal, when she tries to use it on Link, shouldn't the Master Sword repel it? Is there any reason why it doesn't do anything to Midna?
The Master Sword is in its sheath, which might help, and there's no given canon reason.
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Why does Midna suddenly have possesion of it then?And how does she know how to work it?
I'm pretty sure it was because if link touched it he would become a wolf again, so midna keeps it and touches it to link when he transforms.
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Also, unless Midna switches out the Master Sword for the crystal, when she tries to use it on Link, shouldn't the Master Sword repel it? Is there any reason why it doesn't do anything to Midna?
Seeing as you've already accepted that Midna can store Link's items in some sort of portable wormhole when he transforms, I really don't think you have much room left for pointing out logical inconsistencies.
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Seeing as you've already accepted that Midna can store Link's items in some sort of portable wormhole when he transforms, I really don't think you have much room left for pointing out logical inconsistencies.
The thing is, when Link transforms, the Master Sword "melds" into him. When he turns back into a human, it comes "out" of him. It doesn't look like Midna does anything Master Sword-wise, thus leading to my pondering.
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Re: Zant's curse

hmm. i dont know.
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Just to clear things up here. I am pretty sure Midna did not make that crystal. Right after he turns Link into a wolf, you see that crystal go right into Link's skull.

If I am wrong, I am sorry. I will find out soon, since I am replaying TP, and I am almost at that part (just have to beat Morpheel first).
Yeah, I just finished Morpheel, and it does show a crystal being inserted into Link's (wolf form) forhead. Plus, when saving Midna, Zelda's triforce glows strong when she touches Link's forhead.
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Midna never made that crystal
that was the physical manifestation of the darkness which entered link, thus turning him into a wolf, in the twilight realm, it was purged out of him by the master sword
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