Is Twilight Princess amazing or a flop? <DISCUSSION>

If I would have to choose between Ocarina Of Time and Twilight Princess...
It would really matter in which aspect your looking at both:

Graphics: Obviously, Twilight Princess has a HUGE advantage over Ocarina of Time since it was realeased about a decade later!

Gameplay: I would say they are tied together at this point, both are amazingly fun to play, the puzzles are really challenging, TP would probably have a slight advantage since it introduces new features (specially for the Wii version) such as horseback ridin' combat for example, or a funner way to shoot at things.

Storyline: Sorry TP, Ocarina of Time RULED with its amazing story, and no other LoZ game will ever equal out the amazing story OoT gave me, and TP felt more like an imitation of OoT with a few new twists and factors, but they're some major flaws that I consider in Twilight Princess:

(If you haven't played TP and wouldn't like to spoil the game for yourself, now is the time to stop reading!)

1. In OoT the Master Sword works in various ways, it is the seal of the Sacred Realm, It is "Evil's Bane", and it is used to travel through time. In TP, Where the heck does it come into the storyline with any logical sense?!, the only reason you need the Master Sword is to remove the "wolf Link" curse Zant places on you after the Water Temple, oh sure, what a coincidence, there always been a Master Sword around in case the chosen Hero got cursed...

2. Ok, so the Master Sword is one thing, but the Temple of Time?!, where or when does the temple of time ever come into logical sense with the story?

The following don't have anything to do with the storyline.

3. I think the game missed a lot of villages, like a Gerudo Fortress, or a Lon Lon ranch, or maybe a Village in the Peak Province (could've been filled with Yeti), or maybe a more complete kakariko village, and what happened to the kokori, don't know, just feel like it missed more villages.

4. This has been the only Zelda Game that I have played that I practically shat rupees, I always had a full wallet and no where to spend it, feels like a complete waste to me.

5. What is up with the new race called the ooccoo? I mean, chickens with human heads? I think that is just creepy, the producers could've had a little bit more imagination, or could've done a more advanced, cooler, or more realistic version of the rito tribe brought up in Wind Waker. you know, like something coooler.

6. (Recently Added Point) And almost all the items (except the Bow and Arrow, Clawshot, etc.) you get during the game are useless after the you complete the dungeon they were needed in (such as the spinner, Ball and Chain, Dominion Rod, the slingshot, etc.) so why do you still carry them with you? It is pointless. And After you recieve the Master Sword, Why do you still carry the Ordon Sword and have as an option to equip? Why couldn't it be upgraded to TP version of the Biggoron Sword? (Same thing with the Ordon shield after you purchase the Hylian Shield.)

Anyways, my apologies to any TP fans, because it seriously disappointed me big time, I was waiting for such a long time for a new 3D Zelda game after Wind Waker, and totally got disapointed. I mean it probably should been given more time to be completed, it's producers were probably to rushed by the upcoming realease of the Wii console that they made a sloppy job.

I think that if they were given more time (More than the year that was given to them from it's scheduled realease in 2005) they could've fit the Master sword with more reason into the storyline or any other flaw I already mentioned, well I really enjoyed the game anyhow, finished it about a week ago.

Originally Posted by AJ

I seriously disliked the character design for the light spirits, they were goofy and disproportionate, and made me feel like I was watching a saturday morning cartoon. That does NOT match up with the more realistic setting of the rest of the game and it feels stupid and out-of-place.

The character design was unique, and light spirits? Are you referring to Poe Souls or the spirits an example would be Eldin. How were these bad? They had elegant standings and that's all that really matter, they capture the essence of "divine". Even so how does this bother you, personally I think that's just a complaint for the sake of being complaint.

The children of Ordon were hideous and homely. God, I couldn't look at them without wincing. And how can someone as deformed and Tiny as Malo run his own shop? He looks like he's barely even a toddler for god's sake!!

Ummm. Talo running his own shop, was really only for humor reasons. Again tis has nothing to do with effecting your game experience.

There were seriously TOO MANY cliffs separating different areas out in Hyrule field. I was looking forward to a totally open-ended Hyrule field like in Oot, one that I could cross in its entirety on Epona's back without load times. I understand that the Wii is technologically limited, but this was seriously dissappointing nonetheless

They're not too many occasions where this happens, the whole Hyrule Field has no load times unless you're going to a town/Zora's Domain, or Faron Woods. But this is the price we get for a huge environment, and great graphics. And it's minor so I say it's worth it.


That's all I have time to argue right now, but I hate people who litterally try to debate everything in TP. It has some draw backs, but it's a great game nonetheless.

Originally Posted by Zeldafan1

The character design was unique, and light spirits? Are you referring to Poe Souls or the spirits an example would be Eldin. How were these bad? They had elegant standings and that's all that really matter, they capture the essence of "divine". Even so how does this bother you, personally I think that's just a complaint for the sake of being complaint.

I was thinking specifically of the Eldin, yes. Especially the water serpent one, it's face made me think of the snake villain character in the Disney movie 'The Jungle Book'. We're going to have to agree to disagree on this one, because goofy extreme proportions do not embody divinity to me, they embody the Kid's WB on Saturday morning.

Originally Posted by Zeldafan1

Ummm. Talo running his own shop, was really only for humor reasons. Again tis has nothing to do with effecting your game experience.

Yeah, that's right. It's been several months since I played and those names are practically the same.

you're saying that just because they didn't mean to affect me, that it automatically won't? I'm a very visual person, so goofy character design can have a big impact to me. It's the main reason why I disliked tWW so much.

Originally Posted by Zeldafan1

They're not too many occasions where this happens, the whole Hyrule Field has no load times unless you're going to a town/Zora's Domain, or Faron Woods. But this is the price we get for a huge environment, and great graphics. And it's minor so I say it's worth it.

I agree with you that it's minor, but it's still noticeable. Hopefully as technology progresses in the future we'll have bigger open areas.

Originally Posted by Zeldafan1

That's all I have time to argue right now, but I hate people who litterally try to debate everything in TP. It has some draw backs, but it's a great game nonetheless.

A little debate is healthy once in awhile, and ZU is the place to discuss the finer points of Zelda if I'm not mistaken. If you don't want to debate with me you don't have to reply. Nobody's forcing you.

i voted success, because i believe it was far from a failure.
Wand of Gameleon was a failure.

Twilight Princess has a lot of good parts, mainly the graphics and horseback battles.
but it also isnt the best Zelda game.
I'd give it a level 8.5 out of 10.

AJ, I agree with many of the points you brought up, although very few of them really detracted from the game for me. I viewed them more as things I didn't expect or that I would change in future games, rather than real irritations. They still didn't change my view of TP as one of the best games I've played.

I've always been the kind of person who gets great satisfaction out of accurate representations of reality (such as when making drawings or car models) which is perhaps why I find it harder to relate to the more "far-fetched" elements in Zelda games, like the lake cannon in TP.

I'd say one of the reasons why I consider TP a major flop is because TP is supposed to be an action/adventure game, where exploration is a key factor. How on earth am I supposed to explore and enjoy myself when I already know where everything is?
TP's map is an almost exact copy of OoT's Hyrule (save for the tacked on snow area and the shifted Zora's domain), meaning that as I have played OoT I automatically knew where to go!
How is that adventurous?

I was thinking specifically of the Eldin, yes. Especially the water serpent one, it's face made me think of the snake villain character in the Disney movie 'The Jungle Book'. We're going to have to agree to disagree on this one, because goofy extreme proportions do not embody divinity to me, they embody the Kid's WB on Saturday morning.

No it's only really because you're just comparing the two, not really looking at the the fine picture. I've never seen 'The Jungle Book', so it never came to mind, neither did any of the light spirits. You intentionally ruined your site on what the character design truly represented, because of you comparing it to a 'Jungle Book Character'.

And what does that really imply? That Nintendo ripped-off a 'Jungle Book Character', not in the slightest, it just may have a weird resemblance, but this a little thing called coincidence.

Yeah, that's right. It's been several months since I played and those names are practically the same.

Is that some kind of sarcasm?

you're saying that just because they didn't mean to affect me, that it automatically won't? I'm a very visual person, so goofy character design can have a big impact to me. It's the main reason why I disliked tWW so much.

This is similar to the experience you had with character design with the the Light Spirits. Your defeating the purpose Nintendo originally had in mind, this isn't Nintendo's fault. It's your fault for visualizing it that way. And as MMKB said many of your so called 'valid points' don't really detract the quality from TP, it's more of a rant, instead of an actually argument.

A little debate is healthy once in awhile, and ZU is the place to discuss the finer points of Zelda if I'm not mistaken. If you don't want to debate with me you don't have to reply. Nobody's forcing you.

I know that. It's just it bothers me when people literally try bring TP down with everything they can, without looking at it's positive side.

Originally Posted by Zeldafan1

No it's only really because you're just comparing the two, not really looking at the the fine picture. I've never seen 'The Jungle Book', so it never came to mind, neither did any of the light spirits. You intentionally ruined your site on what the character design truly represented, because of you comparing it to a 'Jungle Book Character'.

And what does that really imply? That Nintendo ripped-off a 'Jungle Book Character', not in the slightest, it just may have a weird resemblance, but this a little thing called coincidence.

I'm willing to give you the fact that I'm responsible for my own perceptions of the game. That being said, why would you take them personally? Most of these things are tweaks to me that I would change if I could. In the end I'm not the one who makes decisions for nintendo anyway, so why is it worth getting upset over?

Originally Posted by Zeldafan1

Is that some kind of sarcasm?

Not really. I do have other things to stick in my mind such as classwork, so it's not a horrible tragedy if I forget a character's name.

Originally Posted by Zeldafan1

I know that. It's just it bothers me when people literally try bring TP down with everything they can, without looking at it's positive side.

Ok, were you even paying attention to my post at all? HELLO! I spent several paragraphs praising various aspects of the game as well. It's not my fault if you got so pissed off at my tweaks that you didn't read the whole thing.

And jeez, calm down. These are my own personal opinions. Just because I didn't enjoy TP as much as you did doesn't change the game, nor does it make either of our opinions any less valid.

Internet forums: They is serious bisniss.

its not either;i think, the graphics are ok but the story line isn't better than my current favorite, which is LA

Success. Despite its shortcomings, TP has more positive offerings than negative ones.

In my opinion, Twilight Princess, well... lacked. Mainly because it was overhyped. If you expect more than the necessary (like me), you will end up with something below your expectations, this means, with a bad game.

If you forget all the hype and all that stuff, TP is an amazing game, one of the most amazing. I haven´t played many games, but TP and OoT are the best ones I´ve seen so far.

But the real problem with TP is that it´s, well, not too consistent. The atmospheres varied, the difficulty, the story passed from a fast and epic pase to a slow and uninspired attempt to finish the game. And then, a jaw-dropping end. It leaves a good taste, but if you look at the game as a whole, you´ll see it´s not very consistent.

It even seemed better in this subject in the older version, the one that SHOULD have been released in 2005. Sometimes I think about it... and the older version seems like the real one, the version that we have is just like a commercialized TP, and it lost it´s escence in the process.

You know, the beginning was amazing, and i loved tghe first few dungeons and eveything, but then they all got weak, and so was the twilight realm. you didn't even get to talk with them! I just want to get this out of my system, but why doesn't any of the links take out the master sword after defeatring the final enemy?!? I mean, after every final boss was stabbed either in the head or whatever, Link never took the sword out! After that, how does the sword go on to another game? Also, the game was to crowded at the end. There should have been another fight with Ganondorf in another place so that you know that you're walking to the end. They slapped all you did in the quests together and you could barely remember most of it! Man I wish that the game had the storyline further spaced apart.

I really loved Twilight Princess! I have played Zelda games for a long time and I really enjoyed Twilight Princess!

~Ashei25~

I love it up to the 5th dungeon. Then it gets a little tedious, but its still my favorite zelda game. The only thing that disappointed me was the difficulty. With all 20 hearts its just ridiculously easy. With 3 it's still easy.

Originally Posted by MMKB

I'd say one of the reasons why I consider TP a major flop is because TP is supposed to be an action/adventure game, where exploration is a key factor. How on earth am I supposed to explore and enjoy myself when I already know where everything is?
TP's map is an almost exact copy of OoT's Hyrule (save for the tacked on snow area and the shifted Zora's domain), meaning that as I have played OoT I automatically knew where to go!
How is that adventurous?

Are you implying that you want to see the Zelda Wii in a new land/world/country? Because that's the impression I'm getting from you.

Originally Posted by Awkin

^Can't it be amazing and a flop?

It was great and all, but it didn't live up to the hype. Everything's relative. Somewhat who didn't stalk the game since it was announced would maybe hold it in a different stead than those on this board.

It didn't live up to the hype?

Why didn't it live up to the hype?

What were people hyping it up so much for in the first place? Seriously, TP needed more cutscenes, some new sort of gameplay, developed towns, and no tacked-on Ganondorf/MS and then that would have made an amazing game. Link needed to speak too. At the start of the game, there should have been more ranches and farms, Ordon should have been slightly bigger too. And I wanted to see Link talking to other people 1 on 1 in the Ordon fields. I wanted to see massive chracter interaction like in movies.

I'm very visual, and trust me, I can imagine Link moving his mouth like the other characters do while the text comes up.

I wanted Castle Town to be amazing. I wanted to being able to play as Wolf Link and do hours of plot-relevant things in this massive Castle town. Under the dusk of twilight while it is raining.

In Zora's Domain... I wanted to see them have there own little miniature palace that is built-in with the walls and caves of Zora's Domain - now that would have been impressive. I wanted to see many Zora's around in this small palace, where it's raining and then you see the cutscene where the Queen is exceucted by Zant.

I was expecting things to impress me. I still like TP, but there were so many things that could have made TP live up to the hype.

Originally Posted by Ganon the King

Are you implying that you want to see the Zelda Wii in a new land/world/country? Because that's the impression I'm getting from you.

That would be correct. I want the new Zelda for Wii to pull a LA or MM on us and take us somewhere we've never been or seen before. Or at least give us a version of Hyrule with a twist like the WW's Great Sea.

I agree with Kee Something in almost all aspects.
But know this: TP lured a lot of gamers to the zelda franchise, and for newcomers, it was a great game. And of us zelda fans of old, honestly, which of you are not going to buy the next zelda game?
It was a comercial success. No question about it.

Originally Posted by MMKB

That would be correct. I want the new Zelda for Wii to pull a LA or MM on us and take us somewhere we've never been or seen before. Or at least give us a version of Hyrule with a twist like the WW's Great Sea.

Or... we could get a new Zelda with completely new places but the land is still called Hyrule.

F-F-F-FAILURE For me, that is.

As soon as a game is unsatisfying, it's a failure. As soon as I look back on a game and start beating the crap out of it in my mind, it failed.

Twilight Princess is a loser.