The Twilight Princess Hype Thread

I'm going through the latest trailer (No. 4) In slow mo now. Here's a few things I'm not sure if everybody has noticed them yet.
Sorry if this is a repeated idea.
Epona a.k.a whatever you call it is running straight at Link in the first section.
Interesting. Wonder why.
Old half bald ghost guy has a welding mask on. And there's definitely twilight particles floating around outside the window.

Interesting. Wonder why.
Don't punch me if I suddenly have a lapse in to noob-ness but
I can't remember seeing a magic bar in the top left of the screen before. As seen in the town view with the Goron and the bizarre looking created walking past Link (who has sheik symbol)
The water around Wolf Link changes colour in the next scene from orange horizon to grey blue
Interesting. Wonder why.
Just pointing out that the:
Wooden post behind Twilight creature isn't powered up (orange electrical fence) as seen in the new pictures.
interesting switch from twilight creature to another twilight creature yada-yada-yaa. Wolf link and midna rider can be seen in bottom left corner. yada yada yaa.
Boring monster fish thing that everyones already talked about..
In slow mo it is is very clear that the giant monster thing is the Goron in the official art picture with all the mining gear on. There's a tunnel with a passageway leading in to him nearby that hasn't closed. Platform falls as ropes are cut yada yada molten rock flying in face yada yada.
Stone henge place has interesting symbols on rocks. Dog head comes out of the glowy ball with same symbols. Does look evil. Is in twilight. Bit with boars that everyone already speculated about. They're people from toaru. the pregnant one i believe and the bully kid. Baboon-turned-friendly clears fog for you. grabshot thing. Some stuff thats already been fully talked about. Back to goron monster thing. Chains are gone now. Eh!? Wolf link using twilight in normal area and travelling by twilight in non-twilight area too. (The area where u get bonked by the boars at the start.

Could seasons be dynamic in Twilight Princess?!








Very cool. Hype + 1. Hopefully the entire game will feature dynamic seasons, and not just the fishing area. Imagine a snow covered field!

This game is so epic it is insane.

Oh, also, return of the Hylian Loach.

Mmmm, seasons.
And the Hylian loach? That's tight, some crazy guy already caught it?
Where'd you get the pictures?

The hylian loach pic is from the Hylia. The other pictures are from Gaming Age.

Originally Posted by Shiek 84

Could seasons be dynamic in Twilight Princess?!

Could there be a way to change the seasons? I mean, come on, in previous Zelda games you are able to change the year, the days/nights, and even the seasons. Why do I have a feeling that certain events will only take place at certain seasons (I'm hoping they place the OoS attributes of changing the seasons to get you further throughout the game. Sure it won't be the main thing, but it would be a nice extra touch)?

TP has a day/night system, we all know there's going to be a song or something to control that. Link can turn into a wolf, maybe near the end or middle of the game he will control which form to be in no-matter where he is. Now we have seasons...Link going to change that too? I think so.

-BGS

Originally Posted by BigGoronSword

Could there be a way to change the seasons? I mean, come on, in previous Zelda games you are able to change the year, the days/nights, and even the seasons. Why do I have a feeling that certain events will only take place at certain seasons (I'm hoping they place the OoS attributes of changing the seasons to get you further throughout the game. Sure it won't be the main thing, but it would be a nice extra touch)?

TP has a day/night system, we all know there's going to be a song or something to control that. Link can turn into a wolf, maybe near the end or middle of the game he will control which form to be in no-matter where he is. Now we have seasons...Link going to change that too? I think so.

-BGS

The second I saw this on the Hylia, my first thought was "Oracle of Seasons." I also hope that you'll be able to alter the seasons at will. But a few seconds ago I also had a crazy thought: what if the Rod of Seasons comes back? In my opinion, it'd totally bonkers, but in a really awsome way. I'd probably always explore Hyrule in fall or spring, but winter and summer would be cool sometimes, too.

Oh, by the way, what version of TP are you guys getting? I'm not sure...if they would just make the option to switch between GC and Wii controllers on the fly in the Wii version, I'd probably get a Wii at launch. I would like to play through the game with the good old fasioned controls, but I want to try out the Wiimote controls, as well. If I get an HD TV sometime at the end of the year (which I so hope I do), then the Wii version will look much better on that. Plus, there's always the possiblity that they keep on expanding Hyrule with WiiConnect24, which would be awsome. Still, I'm really on the fence and wish they would let you use both controllers.

^ The last time I checked. There was no HD support for the Wii. It's supposedly just a super gamecube or something...

Anyways, I hate the ides of the comeback of the rod of seasons. Or any season changing item (or magic). I'd much rather have a realistic season changing world. Where the seasons change by how much time passes by. Of course, we all know that no Zelda game has ever been long enough to have the need of such a feature as this (but maybe TP is bigger then we think?).

I don't want re-hashed ideas and gameplay elements be put into TP. I want new elements, new gameplay. If the rod of seasons makes a come back, I'm going to be disappointed.

Originally Posted by Dark Link

^ The last time I checked. There was no HD support for the Wii. It's supposedly just a super gamecube or something...

Anyways, I hate the ides of the comeback of the rod of seasons. Or any season changing item (or magic). I'd much rather have a realistic season changing world. Where the seasons change by how much time passes by. Of course, we all know that no Zelda game has ever been long enough to have the need of such a feature as this (but maybe TP is bigger then we think?).

I don't want re-hashed ideas and gameplay elements be put into TP. I want new elements, new gameplay. If the rod of seasons makes a come back, I'm going to be disappointed.

(Grr, I've posted this before, but it didn't work, so this probably isn't going to be as good as the original post)

If you needed to solve a puzzle that required it to be winter and it was spring, you'd be pretty screwed, wouldn't you? Anyway, I like new items and ideas too, but older items that haven't showed up before in a while are also cool. Also, changing seasons in TP's beautiful 3D engine would be a new and awsome experience.

The Wii version of TP will have widescreen and progressive scan, and the developers have also said that it may also have graphincs that are improved a bit over the GC version.

Originally Posted by hero25

If you needed to solve a puzzle that required it to be winter and it was spring, you'd be pretty screwed, wouldn't you? Anyway, I like new items and ideas too, but older items that haven't showed up before in a while are also cool. Also, changing seasons in TP's beautiful 3D engine would be a new and awsome experience.

All the same, why have the seasons serve any purpose? They could be nothing but a nice aesthetic change over time. Mind you, when was the last time you spent 92 in game days playing Zelda?

The Wii version of TP will have widescreen and progressive scan, and the developers have also said that it may also have graphincs that are improved a bit over the GC version.

It will have slightly better graphics, I seem to recall something about better textures.

Originally Posted by GDwarf

It will have slightly better graphics, I seem to recall something about better textures.

The one reason it'll have better graphics is because of additional HD compatibility. Aside from the HD, Standard Definition features the graphics pretty much the same.
But I don't care about the graphical quality as I do with the controls. I wanna play this game by traditional means, and if it's supposed to be as hard as Nintendo says it is, I wanna use the controller I'm more adapted with, instead of using a controller I may potentially never be good with.

I think/hope that the seasonal changes will serve mostly cosmetic purposes. I mean sure, a side quest here or there could be exclusive to a particular season, but the Twilight Realm/animals already serve as the game's central themes. Implementing too many concepts is typically a recipe for disaster.

For example, comical situations like, you can only do such in such at night in the Twilight Realm in Winter, could arise. That'd be a little goofy.

While I'm guessing it was merely an erroneous statement, an interview posted on the Hylia suggests that Link may age during the game. I doubt it and will gladly place this on ignorance.

Otherwise, the hilarity increases:

"Link can only find the staff of Anubis in the ancient cave as a child in the Twilight Realm during the summer at night when the moon is in its waning gibbous phase."

Believe.

Oh, and those fishing screenshots are incredibly beautful. Twilight Princess is undoubtedly the prettiest game Nintendo has ever created.

Am I the only one that's genuinely interested in using the Wii controls over the Gamecube controller?

No, but you should be.

I hate the fact that this was ported to Wii. It was sort of a wise business decision, but the customer is being screwed here. I must admit that I find it annoying that so many people will support Nintendo to the point of actually finding the bright side of being screwed over.

This decision does not benefit the consumer!

I personally wanted my last traditional, quintessential Zelda game in the same vein as OoT. Seeing things from my perspective, realize that I have not played what I consider to be a fantastic Zelda game since 2000.

Now, of course I can still buy Twilight Princess for the Gamecube. But, then I'm left thinking, is this the best version? It is not a good position to be in. It causes you subconsious paranoia. If I get just the Wii version, then I won't get my last traditional Zelda.

If Nintendo truly wanted to benefit consumers, they would allow you to insert the Gamecube version into the Wii so that one disc covers both gameplay types. I'm unaware of whether or not this is technologically possible. I don't see why not, personally. By doing that, however, nobody would buy the Wii version, and they would lose money (or rather, make less money)

Now I'm probably going to be spending $100 for what is essentially the same game.

And now, TP is kind of seen as Zelda Wii. That makes the announcement of the true Zelda Wii a lot less exciting to me. Unless, and this this is a very scary thought, Twilight Princess IS Zelda Wii . . .

What this boils down to is Nintendo realizing that they can bolster their Wii lineup with almost no effort, at the expense of the hardcore fan. Forget that we could probably be playing Twilight Princess right now if it were not for this decision.

So I hate it. I also think it goes without saying that Twilight Princess as a Gamecube game amazes visually, but as a Wii title, it underwhelms, and it makes me skeptical about the sytem's power as a whole.

Lastly, the Wii functions in TP don't seem to offer anything beyond incredible. The fishing looks really good, but everything else . . . meh. Oh look! I can select my items by pointing at them (which in actuality seems less intuitive). And instead of rotating my control bad for a spin attack, I can rotate my entire wrist! (come on now, that's a very frivilous use). The sole good use in gameplay (outside of fishing) is the bow.

Originally Posted by Mirren

Am I the only one that's genuinely interested in using the Wii controls over the Gamecube controller?

No.

Now, I wouldn't say genuinely, but I'd much rather prefer using the Wii over of the gamcube control’s. It looks surprisingly fun. The only con I see in the Wii control’s is the seemingly difficultness of the bow. It looks like the players had a hard time with that thing. And it seemed incredibly TOO accurate, which isn't really such a good thing.

But besides that, it looks very fun.

Hi everyone, I've been reading this board for a while but I've never taken part in the discussions, untill now!

I'm not sure if it fits the hype thread itself but it goes along with the current discussion. I, like many other zelda fans, was worried that TP was going to be moved to the Wii. It was promised as a gamecube title, I don't remember if Nintendo ever used the word "exclusivly", but none the less it was what we were expecting and wanting. I kept thinking to myself that if they moved it to the Wii in anyway shape or form I was going to be upset.

To my own surprise though after this years E3, and the offical announcement of a Wii version of TP, I wasn't upset but extremely excited. Looking at all the movies, screenshots, and the many discussions people are having over the smallest details about this game to me show one thing. This is going to be one of the best, if not the best Zelda game ever. This latest discovery of the changing seasons to me has revealed just how much depth and work Nintendo are putting into the game. Part of my excitement about playing it on the Wii stems from the same excitment I felt playing Ocarina of Time on the 64, its starting to feel new again. I really think Nintendo is on to something with the Wii console, and I think Zelda belongs as a launch title.

There is only one thing I'm still worried about, and thats how well the Wii is going to work at home on different TV sets. I know Nintendo has said it will work on any TV, but I would like to see that for myself. Keep in mind the E3 showing was on Nintendos turf, their rules and their hardware. Whew, sorry for the long post guys...fire away.

Originally Posted by Dark Link

The only con I see in the Wii control’s is the seemingly difficultness of the bow. It looks like the players had a hard time with that thing. And it seemed incredibly TOO accurate, which isn't really such a good thing.

I'm sure Nintendo has seen this through, especially knowing that not everybody has a steady hand, so I honestly wouldn't be surprized if they made of of the buttons into a "Lock-on", just like the "L" button for the GC Controller.

Originally Posted by jamesspills

There is only one thing I'm still worried about, and thats how well the Wii is going to work at home on different TV sets. I know Nintendo has said it will work on any TV, but I would like to see that for myself. Keep in mind the E3 showing was on Nintendos turf, their rules and their hardware. Whew, sorry for the long post guys...fire away.

I'm sure what they meant by that was "Every modern TV set", like the ones that have an audio, video, and surround sound outlet. Heck, the first time the Wii was announced, they even said that it would work with computer monitors...I haven't heard any update on that (if they decided to keep that feature or not), but if they did decide to keep it, then more power to them.

-BGS

Originally Posted by BigGoronSword

I'm sure Nintendo has seen this through, especially knowing that not everybody has a steady hand, so I honestly wouldn't be surprized if they made of of the buttons into a "Lock-on", just like the "L" button for the GC Controller.

-BGS

There was a lock on button in the demo, but many people didn't use it. I'm more concerned about the shield and camera. I have not heard of any way to defend with the shield or conrol the camera in the demo. This could all be solved if they would just let us plug our GC controllers in and use them. The top two things on my wishlist for TP Wii are GC controller support and downloadable content. Hey, TSA has contacts in Nintendo, right? Do you think there is any chance whatsoever of him being able to suggest this to the Zelda team? This would greatly benefit the game and the Wii itself--many more people would want the Wii version for better graphics, online content, and more control options--not to mention that the Wii would probably sell better, too.

Oh, and welcome to the ZU family, James.

Originally Posted by hero25

There was a lock on button in the demo, but many people didn't use it. I'm more concerned about the shield and camera. I have not heard of any way to defend with the shield or conrol the camera in the demo.

The sheild? Well when it comes to the GC controller, that's easy (it's the same as tWW, just press down the R button), but when it comes to the Wii-mote, I'm guessing it will be one of the buttons on the Nunchuck. Camera? Well there are two buttons on the Nunchuck, maybe it's the second one.

This could all be solved if they would just let us plug our GC controllers in and use them.

You could always buy a GC version. Plus, I wouldn't be surprized if that was a feature on the Wii-version (since some Wii games can be played with a GC controller....Super Smash Brothers Brawl for example), so the GC version is essentially only there for people who can't afford a Wii system just yet (or people who are collectors).

The top two things on my wishlist for TP Wii are GC controller support and downloadable content.

Possible, they never said it wasn't in it. I don't know what you could possibly want to download (more dungeons, levels, items? That would be cool), but there will be some sort of Wifi play (so I've heard. But not multiplayer, it will most likely be small games).

Hey, TSA has contacts in Nintendo, right? Do you think there is any chance whatsoever of him being able to suggest this to the Zelda team? This would greatly benefit the game and the Wii itself--many more people would want the Wii version for better graphics, online content, and more control options--not to mention that the Wii would probably sell better, too.

I don't know if TSA has contacts with Ninty, but either way, I have my doubts since the process of this game is quite advanced in it's stages, that adding something new (even a small thing) may take even more time. It's like asking to make cupcakes instead of a cake, when the dough has already been in the oven for 20 minutes.

-BGS

TSA has contacts to NOA staff and such, but nothing really all that important, or anyone that has direct contacts with those working on TP and PH.

Yes, the camera is my one and only concern with TPWii at this time, tWW had such a great camera, and whenever I go back and play OoT/MM I always miss the great camera tWW had, it's perfect for adventure titles, and I wonder every night how aonuma will manage the camera seeing as how there is only one analog stick for the wii.

Originally Posted by BigGoronSword

Camera? Well there are two buttons on the Nunchuck, maybe it's the second one.

You cannot control the camera with a button . . .

Unless you're talking about merely centering the camera behind Link, which will be assigned to the same button as locking on. Hero25 has a legitimate concern. Free camera control (ala WW) is not possible with the wii mote. Nothing to worry about, however. OoT and MM (along with many other games) show us that a well done default camera is good enough. WW gave us a more advanced camera system, and an unparelled amount of control, yet I had many more camera issues with it than OoT or MM. Go figure.