The Sword is used way too much in SS :(

^ To add to that, there are only two truly accurate sources for games sales; the game publishers and developers themselves, or NPD data. VGChartz is regularly inconsistent with the numbers as found in NPD reports.

Originally Posted by Double penetrAtion

You referenced sales (which have been demonstrated to be very front-loaded and due to hype) and reviews (which are representative of a very vocal minority in gaming). I just don't see this "popularity" of SS.

Well, it's there, and proof has been provided. Sadly for you.

I bet you believe that Skyward Sword won those fan voting "Best Game of ___" competitions at G4 and IGN by having its name picked out of a hat, right?

Not if the enemies aren't.

If all you have to do is hit them with a weapon, they will be.

Simplistic? I see you continue to ignore what I've said.

Same thing? As the two videos I've shown demonstrate, the ONLY "same" things are the result (i.e. the enemy dies) and the means of damaging the opponent (i.e. hit with weapon). Perhaps combat as a whole is "not special" if it involves a weapon.

What relevance does the "specialness" of options have, anyway? What IS the "specialness" of an option?

This isn't chemistry class. If you can't get an idea of what the word "special" means, you're either hopeless or a borderline troll. Given your habit of twisting arguments to trivial points, I'll go with the latter.

Originally Posted by Jeff

This isn't chemistry class. If you can't get an idea of what the word "special" means, you're either hopeless or a borderline troll. Given your habit of twisting arguments to trivial points, I'll go with the latter.

Please knock this sort of attitude off.



Jeff and Double penetrAtion, I know that both of you guys can discuss well, and I do know that you're both capable of talking to each other in a more civilised manner.

Let's try not to get sour in here okay? I don't want to start deleting posts in here or handing out warnings.

I've said nothing inappropriate. He's repeatedly asking me the definitions of any word I use that's longer than 7 letters and has misquoted me more than once. It's those kind of 'tactics' he uses that creates quote wars and drives the discussion away from the original point, which leads to just squawking back and forth about issues that were irrelevant in the first place.

I haven't flamed him or attacked him personally; I've called him out for a disrespectful, unproductive posting habit. If you believe that was too edgy, well, that's fine, but I would wholly disagree.

Originally Posted by Jeff

If all you have to do is hit them with a weapon, they will be.

This isn't chemistry class. If you can't get an idea of what the word "special" means, you're either hopeless or a borderline troll. Given your habit of twisting arguments to trivial points, I'll go with the latter.

I'm sorry bro, but I just can't continue this. You have repeatedly disregarded what I've said or missed the point (e.g. 2/3 of your previous post, as shown above, the first paragraph ignores what I've said multiple times earlier, while the second paragraph misses the point). We keep travelling in circles because I've had to re-explain myself over and over due to you completely ignoring what I've been saying.

And whenever I acknowledge this and you DON'T ignore it, you establish an incredibly unclear/unsatisfactory position in response (e.g. throughout the entire debate on "depth", we ended up with "it isn't deep because it isn't special", which makes absolutely no sense at all in a vacuum, after I kept pushing the point). I keep bringing up "trivial" points in an attempt to get you to make your position clearer, which you repeatedly fail to do, opting instead to make your position even more unclear/unsatisfactory (e.g. you've gone from "the game industry says so" to "I just know that you're wrong..." to "common sense" to "not special").

If you're going to pin all of this on me, then good day to you sir.

Hence the name: "Skyward SWORD"

I rest my case.

^Indeed. The problem isn't that the sword is used too MUCH, but that it was used too unsatisfactorily. It simply wasn't fun to use the sword.

Originally Posted by Double penetrAtion

I'm sorry bro, but I just can't continue this. You have repeatedly disregarded what I've said or missed the point (e.g. 2/3 of your previous post, as shown above, the first paragraph ignores what I've said multiple times earlier, while the second paragraph misses the point). We keep travelling in circles because I've had to re-explain myself over and over due to you completely ignoring what I've been saying.

And whenever I acknowledge this and you DON'T ignore it, you establish an incredibly unclear/unsatisfactory position in response (e.g. throughout the entire debate on "depth", we ended up with "it isn't deep because it isn't special", which makes absolutely no sense at all in a vacuum, after I kept pushing the point). I keep bringing up "trivial" points in an attempt to get you to make your position clearer, which you repeatedly fail to do, opting instead to make your position even more unclear/unsatisfactory (e.g. you've gone from "the game industry says so" to "I just know that you're wrong..." to "common sense" to "not special").

If you're going to pin all of this on me, then good day to you sir.

You have a good day, also, sir.

Hence the name: "Skyward SWORD"

By this logic the Ocarina of Time should be the main weapon of OOT...not the sword, or any other item.
Same goes for Wind Waker as well.

I didn't find anything wrong with the use of the sword in the game. I thoroughly enjoyed swinging at enemies with it trying to get past their defenses. I was really surprised to see how well the controls worked too. Sure you couldn't use many of the other weapons to kill enemies, but the point of Zelda is pretty much the sword. He's started off with the sword and finished off Ganon with his sword in nearly all his games.

Originally Posted by KingOfHeart

By this logic the Ocarina of Time should be the main weapon of OOT...not the sword, or any other item.
Same goes for Wind Waker as well.

Well, they're both really important items, so...