?Purple Chu Jelly theory?

I had come to believe through my own experience and what I read online that whether or not Purple Chu Jelly (PCJ) from the GC version of TP will heal or hurt is completely random. However, during a recent run of the Cave of Ordeals I began noticing a pattern: the faster I bottled the PCJ the more likely it was to heal instead of hurt me. So I've been conducting an experiment where I emptied two bottles and went in search of Purple Chus. For the first bottle I would get as close as possible before killing the chu and scoop up the jelly as fast as the game would allow. Then for the second bottle I would again get close to a purple chu, kill it, but wait till the chu jelly was almost gone before scooping it up.

I saved my game at that point and went in search of enemies that I would purposefully take damage from and in every instance so far the first bottle of PCJ has always healed me, while the second bottle has always hurt me.

I realize could just be an execptionally lucky person, so I'm posting this theory to see if anyone else has noticed this pattern and/or would be will to test it for themselves and let me know the outcome?

Hm, I never noticed this.
Hell, I've never even tried.

When I get my GC version of TP back form my buddy, I'll let you know.

I'm not sure about a patteeeern. During the CoO, I didn't have many fairies and I had to rely on the jelly just to live. Only reason I made it was pure luck. There was a point where I had 3 bottles of purple chuchu jelly and I drank them all in a row. The first only healed me a single heart, the second one hurt me a heart (=/) and then the last one brought me all the way down to a forth of a heart.

I don't even know what I did after that.

I don't really know about a pattern, but post again if you come across any findings.

I wonder if such patterns could also exist in the Nasty Soup Coro has. lol

Originally Posted by Zeldablue777

I'm not sure about a patteeeern. During the CoO, I didn't have many fairies and I had to rely on the jelly just to live. Only reason I made it was pure luck. There was a point where I had 3 bottles of purple chuchu jelly and I drank them all in a row. The first only healed me a single heart, the second one hurt me a heart (=/) and then the last one brought me all the way down to a forth of a heart.

I don't even know what I did after that.

The pattern that seems to be emerging to me is that if you bottle the jelly immediately after you kill the chu it will completely heal, if you wait a bit it will only heal 1 heart, if you wait a bit longer it will take away 1 heart, and if you wait too long to bottle it the jelly will take you all the way down to 1/4 heart.

Originally Posted by Fulcon

I don't really know about a pattern, but post again if you come across any findings.

All the information I've found on the internet about Purple Chu Jelly says that its effects are random, which could be the case. But I posted this theory hoping others would be willing to try it out so I could find out if my theory is true or I'm just having some crazy streak of luck.

All effects are random. It says so in the official Nintendo Power guide.

It is impossible for a computer to create a true random number (or anything random at all). Generally, when creating pseudo-random values in a software, you use pre-estabilished table of numbers (a series of numbers, without any formula, that is kept in the memory) and a seed value (it defines which number in the table you get, i.e. if the seed is 1 you get the first number). Generally, this seed number is defined by some time parameter (or anything else that the user has no control of). Maybe when they made the PCJ, they just skipped the table, and just used the time after the PCJ "spawns" as the "random" parameter...

Botton line: It is possible that the "randomness" of the PCJ is defined by the time after it spawns, making it easier for it to heal if you get it fast enough.

I'm not a software programmer so I'm not sure I completely grasp what you're saying, but what I do understand seems to match the pattern I'm seeing emerge with the PCJ.

Originally Posted by ahaha

It is impossible for a computer to create a true random number (or anything random at all). Generally, when creating pseudo-random values in a software, you use pre-estabilished table of numbers (a series of numbers, without any formula, that is kept in the memory) and a seed value (it defines which number in the table you get, i.e. if the seed is 1 you get the first number). Generally, this seed number is defined by some time parameter (or anything else that the user has no control of). Maybe when they made the PCJ, they just skipped the table, and just used the time after the PCJ "spawns" as the "random" parameter...

Botton line: It is possible that the "randomness" of the PCJ is defined by the time after it spawns, making it easier for it to heal if you get it fast enough.

So basically you agree with the theory?

I like all the possible theories here, but I think the Purple Chu Jelly is just like the purple poes in OoT.

They either give you a heart, or take one away. And it's random. 50/50.

Originally Posted by Glutexo

So basically you agree with the theory?

Well, the theory does make sense. Add that to the fact that Zeldafreak83 has experimented with it, and I'd say the theory is probably correct.
So, yes, I agree with it.

I' ve never thought of that, but I will be more than happy to carry out the experiment and report my findings.

I have conducted this experiment and arrived at following results:

Purple Chu Jelly Experiment

Constants
-time (day)
-health (17 hearts)
-location (bridge of Hylia)


Experiment 1
Fast-heal 1 heart
Slow-heal 1 heart
Medium-heal fully

Experiment 2
Fast-lost 1 heart
Slow-heal fully
Medium-lost 1 heart


Experiment 3
Fast-heal fully
Slow-lost all but ¼ heart
Medium-heal 1 heart

Conclusion: I'm sorry, but I'm going have to say that this theory is false, though i don't think is is completely random. I believe that the chance of the Purple Chu Jelly healing you is a two out of three chance, this is supported that out of three drinks from it being picked up fast, it healed me twice and hurt me once. Same for the other two.

I'm glad someone else has posted their own experiment. It seems I've just been very lucky, (which is odd for me). Some of my recent trails agree with bolter1, although I still think the faster you bottle the PCJ the more likely it is to help you.

I did make one other discovery. When I was developing this theory I realized that there were two points in the game that the programers could've set as the point when the computer decided what effect the PCJ would have: when it is bottled or when it is drunk. So I set up an experiment to figure it out. I created a game file in which I have two bottles of PCJ, then used both bottles making a note of the effect each bottle had. I then quit the game without saving so when I restarted I had the same two bottles of PCJ. Without fail each time I do this the bottles have the exact same effect indicating that once bottled the effect of PCJ is set and will not change.