Ikana's Twilight Princess review.

Originally Posted by Link92

I'm not a fanboy by any measure of the word. I like every Zelda game I ever played and I don't nitpick flaws that aren't even serious enough to be considered flaws. It's funny how people define a fanboy as somebody who dares to disagree with somebody's dislike of a game.

By "perfect form," I in no way called TP perfect. I have already mentioned its flaws many times, although they are not serious enough for me to deny the fact that TP is my favorite game in the series.

I don't bash games for not being "different" enough. I don't look for innovation in a game, I look for how fun the game is.
And I also don't bash OoT and ALTTP to try to make TP look better. The three are my top favorite Zelda games, but there's no denying the fact that the former two's flaws are ignored in order to bash the newest console game, and that's when I remind people that their cherished memories are not as perfect as they think.

Wait... Flaws can't be considered flaws? lolwut?

Great. You enjoy TP. Nobody's trying to stop you.

But OoT and ALttP are actually well-designed. TP was rushed.

I think most gamers can relate innovation and fun. If you play the same stuff over and over again, it gets old after a while.

Just because we're nitpicking doesn't mean we hate the game, well, at least I don't hate the game. I just think this series needs to stay fresh. I'm worried about it growing stale. TP was fun, yes, but it I didn't feel it was neccessary. This series has been around for over 20 years. You have to keep making each game unique or else the series will grow stale. TP was not unique. That's just my point of view.

Wait... Flaws can't be considered flaws? lolwut?

Great. You enjoy TP. Nobody's trying to stop you.

But OoT and ALttP are actually well-designed. TP was rushed.

I think most gamers can relate innovation and fun. If you play the same stuff over and over again, it gets old after a while.

What he said.

Originally Posted by Ikana General

Wait... Flaws can't be considered flaws? lolwut?

I said quite clearly that I don't nitpick flaws unless they're serious enough, not that flaws are not flaws.

Originally Posted by MYK1217

Great. You enjoy TP. Nobody's trying to stop you.

Then what's the point of people posting their fan reviews? Why does somebody post a review? Simple. To share with others how they felt about what they are reviewing. If you post a negative review, you are essentially saying "Stay away from this game."

Originally Posted by MYK1217

But OoT and ALttP are actually well-designed. TP was rushed.

Do you have proof that TP's development was rushed? Do you have data showing how long the development process was?

Originally Posted by MYK1217

I think most gamers can relate innovation and fun. If you play the same stuff over and over again, it gets old after a while.

TP is not the same game as any other game in the series. People automatically label a traditional game as "the same as before." TP does many things differently from other games. It's not the same game as any previous games just because it has some similar gameplay mechanics. You might as well say that WW is the same as OoT because it has the Master Sword and the same basic control scheme.

I was thinking. Pokemon has a huge fanbase, people go crazy everytime the next one comes out and to my surprise they're all almost exactly the same. And it's been I don't know, over 10 years and this stuff is still gold to them. Zelda's changed a lot in comparison...every adventure feels brand new. Name two puzzles in TP that were from another Zelda game...they were all brand spankin' new and the whole time I wondered "HOW the heck do they come up with new stuff every time?!?"

But, I don't know, if TP was actually just like OoT, then wouldn't the OoT fans love it? It's not the same, it's completely different, and people like it because it had things that other Zelda games didn't and people hate it because it didn't have things that other Zeldas had. Right? I hear most saying TP was bad because it didn't have so and so not because it haaad so and so. I think it's actually the opposite of innovation seeking.

Either way, Z-Wii is going to be a new take on the series so...for better or for worse it'll come.

Originally Posted by Link92

I said quite clearly that I don't nitpick flaws unless they're serious enough, not that flaws are not flaws.



Then what's the point of people posting their fan reviews? Why does somebody post a review? Simple. To share with others how they felt about what they are reviewing. If you post a negative review, you are essentially saying "Stay away from this game."



Do you have proof that TP's development was rushed? Do you have data showing how long the development process was?



TP is not the same game as any other game in the series. People automatically label a traditional game as "the same as before." TP does many things differently from other games. It's not the same game as any previous games just because it has some similar gameplay mechanics. You might as well say that WW is the same as OoT because it has the Master Sword and the same basic control scheme.

Well, they're pretty serious flaws.

To voice my opinion.

Yeah, TP's Hyrule Field and the second half of the dungeons.

TP progressed in nearly an identical way to OoT. Get three items, get the Master Sword, go through some more dungeons, and fight Ganny. The Windwaker actually did it differently.

Originally Posted by Ikana General

Well, they're pretty serious flaws.

To voice my opinion.

Yeah, TP's Hyrule Field and the second half of the dungeons.

TP progressed in nearly an identical way to OoT. Get three items, get the Master Sword, go through some more dungeons, and fight Ganny. The Windwaker actually did it differently.

Really...really? Come on, that's goooold. And I suppose OoT did it in a completely different way from ALttP?

For the record, WW doing it differently is utterly false. Majora's Mask was the one that did it differently: Instead of working through three dungeons to obtain three means to progress the story, you do four.

Originally Posted by Zeldablue777

Really...really? Come on, that's goooold. And I suppose OoT did it in a completely different way from ALttP?

Yup. OoT did it in 3D.

Originally Posted by Zeldablue777

Really...really? Come on, that's goooold. And I suppose OoT did it in a completely different way from ALttP?

Let's see... In TWW, Link goes to a pirate base, gets three items (one of which isn't in a dungeon), goes into the TotG, gets the master sword, confronts Ganny, recharges the master sword, gets the pieces of the Triforce of Courage, and fight Ganny

In TP, you get three items, get the master sword, go through some more dungeons, and fight Ganny.

Ikana: By bashing TP's second half then you are bashing OOT and WW as well. Don't point out flaws in one game that were present in another. Ikana okay you forgot about the Ilia memory recovery part and the obtaining of the coral earring(which caused Ralis to return home). Really stop bashing TP and praising WW and OOT.

...You do realize Wind Waker cut out an entire dungeon and had to create filler in order to lead up the Master Sword right? Riiight? *facepalm* Collect 3 items, get MS, watch plot shift/twist, go through more levels, kill Ganondorf.

It's all there.

Originally Posted by Oni Dark Link

Ikana: By bashing TP's second half then you are bashing OOT and WW as well. Don't point out flaws in one game that were present in another. Ikana okay you forgot about the Ilia memory recovery part and the obtaining of the coral earring(which caused Ralis to return home). Really stop bashing TP and praising WW and OOT.

Unlike TP, OoT and TWW's second halves are full of substance. Do you honestely consider TP's Temple of Time well-made? And I'm not bashing TP. I'm stating my opinions, and in my opinion, Nintendo cheated me out of 50$.

Originally Posted by Zeldablue777

...You do realize Wind Waker cut out an entire dungeon and had to create filler in order to lead up the Master Sword right? Riiight? *facepalm* Collect 3 items, get MS, watch plot shift/twist, go through more levels, kill Ganondorf.

It's all there.

Of course I realize that, but TWW's "filler" is done in a creative way that made up for a lack of dungeon. Also, collecting mirror shards is much different from recharging a sword.

TWW was more rushed...That's all I'm going to say. They trashed 2 levels and threw in filler in an attempt to hide it. The TotGs was just like ToT. I mean the tower looked like it was 50 floors high, but it was only like, 3! THREE!

Originally Posted by Ikana General

Of course I realize that, but TWW's "filler" is done in a creative way that made up for a lack of dungeon. Also, collecting mirror shards is much different from recharging a sword.

I've lost all hope in you.

Originally Posted by Ikana General

Of course I realize that, but TWW's "filler" is done in a creative way that made up for a lack of dungeon. Also, collecting mirror shards is much different from recharging a sword.

The only 'creativeness' in WW's filler was adding a storm and more ominous overworld music. Crap excuse to exclude any dungeons, and worse still to shoe-horn the crap travel method. TP had better filler between all of the first three dungeons, with or without twilight, because sailing was still a less gratifying experience than...anything yet in a 3D Zelda game.

I agree, the lack of a dungeon for the third pearl in WW was quite disappointing. The layout of the game was quite similar to the formula you claim the series has beaten to death, just not as many dungeons as ALttP, OoT, and TP.

Half of the The Wind Waker was filler and badly done fetch quests. I never once got bored to tears while playing TP.

Ikana: What's the matter with the TOT? It's exactly how I imagined it. ALso like people said WW cut out a dungeon and had a boring triforce quest. personally I enjoyed trying to hunt down clues to restore Ilia's memory more.

Personally...

I didn't like either. D= I don't like fetch quests at all. It was fun in Link's Awakening, and that's IT. :C