Futuristic Zelda - Why so against it?

I'd like to point out that I'm not "for" Future Zelda, as I don't consider it inherently better or worse than medieval Zelda. Rather, I'm against people who say that Future Zelda is a stupid idea, because I believe it can work. That doesn't necessarily mean I want to see it happen, I just believe it can work, and that'd I'd probably quite enjoy it.

Originally Posted by Crab Helmet

I'd like to point out that I'm not "for" Future Zelda

Then get off the "Future Zelda" boards

Yeh I know, it wasnt THAT funny..,

The vote tally so far:

37 = "I can accept Futuristic/Steampunk/More Advanced Zelda"
23 = "I'm against futuristic Zelda of any kind"
11 = Invalid votes/Opinion Unclear

Futuristic Can Work (Conditionally):
Fulcon
Electricut
Calypso
MrBaconsock
Aura Pulse
Spoon Link
Mandrag
Senap
Ogrum
xJonahx
Peri SC
SlyFoxDeveraux
Kiki
Lloyd Irving/IGNIS
Double C
King KK
TheLastRito
Meio
10n3r
Chad
Wrath of Pong
Celvantis
The Great Panda
Enuf3
Aleitheo
Linkarnation
Aerorious
Crab Helmet
Moogle
PimPSlaP
Ganon the King
Oni Dark Link
Ozzie
~Manga Link~
MYK1217
Pandora21
Segnit

Neutral or Opinion Unclear
Khao
JoGoron
HylianPwnage
The impulsive L
The Sword Guy
TheWeatherMan
Mr Mander
ZeldaZealot
Astarael
LinkingTheMemories
Double A

Against Futuristic
Ty
Avalanchemike
Glastonbury
Seen
TourianTourist
Julian
momento
UltraLight
Dark~Knight
MajorasWrath1
Zeldablue777
Noah-X
Hireshi
the Goronclub
Talhoffer
AIDS
GoldStud
Metropalis
Eternal Legend
Disintegrator
GamenerdAdvance
HylianPwnage
STUFF2o

Note: If i've misunderstood or incorrectly counted anyone's vote then let me know and I'll fix it.

PS: I wanted the chart to be on this new page so people don't have to go back a page to take a look at it.

Edit: I've changed the phrase of the yes camp from "Yes To Futuristic Zelda" to "Futuristic Zelda Can Work"

Just to make my own position clear...

I don't like the idea of a Zelda game being completely futuristic, losing touch with its medieval roots altogether. However, I don't mind there being futuristic elements in a game - for instance, the steamboat in Phantom Hourglass was actually quite a modern invention, but it still worked somehow. I've gradually warmed up to the idea of Link driving a train in Spirit Tracks as well.

Thanks for further explaining your thoughts Astarael, which in the process made me come to realization on something

To keep this discussion from circle jerking its way back to page 1; lets shake this subject up a bit and see what new opinion goodies will drop from the box.

So the question here is: Are the Hyrulean civilizations always destined to be set in the medieval fantasy era?

If yes, who has set this technological or magical growth limit on the races of Hyrule and how high is the limit itself?

Could we say, rule out a car for example? If yes, why? Could we not assume that after hundreds or even thousands of years after the first discovery of the steam engine in Spirit Tracks, that the technology would've evolved and refined into a miniature train not set on tracks?

Ultimately the question is, will Hyrule ever stop evolving technologically, magically, culturally, sociologically or biologically?

Is there a limit to where Hyrule will reach or will the Zelda world at some point in the future be destroyed by some as-yet-unforeseen force before it has chance to reach the stars?

Does the Zelda world and lore have an end? If so how far into the future should this cataclysmic end happen? Do you personally want it to end or not?

Do I want it to end? Of course not.

Personally, I think that Hyrule being all future-like would be for a single game, then it'd go ice-age or wild-west...I dunno, but it'd give us plenty of new things to argue to timeline with.

ZELDA ISN'T MEDIEVAL

Had to get that out as some people just don't get it.

Zelda is fantasy, saying its medieval is like saying that in medieval times we had electric guitars, trains, rock eating creatures, dragons, ect.

Zelda is a fantasy game, it has medieval influences but that doesn't make it medieval. It also has mixes of Japanese, West European, Mediterranean and other cultures.

It has mixes of medieval cultures and technology aswell as some modern ones and the ages between.

A futuristic Zelda would be the world of Zelda advancing, it would not be our world with Zelda themes. To think the latter is idiotic

I think that there can be more futuristic elements in Zelda, as long as in general, it keeps it's current medieval-ish feel. By this I mean, keep the horses, the castles, the arrows, yadda yadda, but throw in some new stuff. Maybe instead of fire and ice powerups for arrows, there could be beam arrows that bounce off walls or something. There's already a lot of futuristic things in Zelda, like the Beamos, the cannons from TP, the trains from ST, the City in the Sky from TP, etc.

Originally Posted by Aleitheo

A futuristic Zelda would be the world of Zelda advancing, it would not be our world with Zelda themes. To think the latter is idiotic

Get this into your ****ing heads, people.

As an example, I'd like to bring up the world of Avatar: The Last Airbender.

They have electricity, but they don't use it in their technology. Their trains are made of rock and are controlled by the "earthbenders". The presence of "bending" in the universe of Avatar brings up different solutions to their everyday problems, ones that are far from possible, and oftentimes dramatically different in our world. Thus, most of the technology they use would not be possible in our world, or would be really different. However, since, most of the time "bending" is more convienient than the use of electricity, it's likely that, were they given the chance to adapt to our way of life, they would decline it.

Likewise, the presence of magic and different species with different talents in Zelda would make a "future" Zelda far different from ours. Do you really think Gorons need guns when they could just as harmlessly roll into the enemy?

Do the Zoras need tasers when they can just as easily shock their enemies with the electric barriers?

Dekus and their flying abilities immediately discounts the likelihood of the invention of planes. Heck, the Wright brothers didn't exist in Hyrule.

Alexander Graham Bell didn't exist in Hyrule's universe, so why would there be phones? Considering how freaking fast the Hylian postmen are and how relatively small Hyrule is.

Those tall towering buildings were made to counter the cost of expanding a building's width or length. Hyrule has a lot of space, so why would they need more than a couple of "mystical" skyscrapers?

Even in ST, the trains were a way of taking advantage of the "Spirit Tracks", which would not apply in our world. Think about it, they didn't make the tracks, they're just using them for another purpose. I doubt they'd need to make roads for cars.

Originally Posted by Aleitheo

ZELDA ISN'T MEDIEVAL

People don't listen to that. It's like they can't digest it. I'm preparing a thread about this issue with various illustrations and screenshots.

Originally Posted by Double A

Get this into your ****ing heads, people.

As an example, I'd like to bring up the world of Avatar: The Last Airbender.

They have electricity, but they don't use it in their technology. Their trains are made of rock and are controlled by the "earthbenders". The presence of "bending" in the universe of Avatar brings up different solutions to their everyday problems, ones that are far from possible, and oftentimes dramatically different in our world. Thus, most of the technology they use would not be possible in our world, or would be really different. However, since, most of the time "bending" is more convienient than the use of electricity, it's likely that, were they given the chance to adapt to our way of life, they would decline it.

Likewise, the presence of magic and different species with different talents in Zelda would make a "future" Zelda far different from ours. Do you really think Gorons need guns when they could just as harmlessly roll into the enemy?

Do the Zoras need tasers when they can just as easily shock their enemies with the electric barriers?

Dekus and their flying abilities immediately discounts the likelihood of the invention of planes. Heck, the Wright brothers didn't exist in Hyrule.

Alexander Graham Bell didn't exist in Hyrule's universe, so why would there be phones? Considering how freaking fast the Hylian postmen are and how relatively small Hyrule is.

Those tall towering buildings were made to counter the cost of expanding a building's width or length. Hyrule has a lot of space, so why would they need more than a couple of "mystical" skyscrapers?

Links Awakening my friend. :U

I know technically the events of LA never really "happened", but it still incorporates telephones in Zelda. Just sayin'.

Originally Posted by GamenerdAdvance

Links Awakening my friend. :U

I know technically the events of LA never really "happened", but it still incorporates telephones in Zelda. Just sayin'.

LA =/= Hyrule.

Technically, Termina from MM was close to Hyrule because of the whole "alternate dimension" accessed from within Hyrule, befroe you bring it up.

And I doubt that the telephones in LA were invented under the same circumstances as our telephones.

Also, my thread will stress the lack of "magic" and the abundance of divine or spiritual power. People have this false idea of a strongly magical environment when it's actually not really there. Compare the Final Fantasy settings to the ones in LoZ. Which has more abundance of magic? No contest there.

Originally Posted by Lloyd Irving

Also, my thread will stress the lack of "magic" and the abundance of divine or spiritual power. People have this false idea of a strongly magical environment when it's actually not really there. Compare the Final Fantasy settings to LoZ. Which has more abundance of magic? No contest there.

Have not played the former. Don't like RPGs. Could you please tell me?

Also, sad at lack of news for the DAB contest . I'm seriously excited for it, it's a fun creative outlet with a reason (coughDSicough). Also, it's fun reading the competition's entries.

Originally Posted by Double A

Have not played the former. Don't like RPGs. Could you please tell me?

I'm organizing a few things to make a rather long thread. You're going to like this thread, I promise. In fact, I will make sure it gets posted on the main site as well.

Originally Posted by Lloyd Irving

I'm organizing a few things to make a rather long thread. You're going to like this thread, I promise. In fact, I will make sure it gets posted on the main site as well. :)

*skeptical yet curious*

*also pissed off at lack of answer to question *

Since we're at it, I'd like to announce that I've also been preparing a thread for a while now. A thread about the next Zelda's long dev time and its implications. That'll be up on the 3 year anniversary of Zelda Twilight Princess on the 19th of November. Look forward to it

^It will address several facts and show common misconceptions of the series. The most notable misconceptions are the "Medieval" setting and the abundance of "magic." Let me explain FF.

Like always, I bring up FFVIII because it's my favorite FF title. The setting of FFVIII is bizarre. Magic in the world of FFVIII, unlike LoZ settings, is bluntly there. In FFVIII, magic is mundane and secular. In OoT, for example, Din's Fire or Farore's Wind are divine gifts of sorts.

The main cast of FFVIII are cadets of pseudo-military schools that specialize in missions and physical combat. These state of the art schools and other locales are implicitly described as structures maintained by the common abundance of magic. Physical combat is not limited to gun firing or sword stabbing but to multiple-level and state-inducing magic casting. Magic can be drawn from enemies or from various "draw points" which are scattered in certain spaces throughout the world.
Guardian Forces are a key element to the manipulation of magic, and these beings are not deities nor embodiments of the divine. These beings have a physical purpose in the world and can be exploited by paying a price which is that of letting such beings take space in your memory or brain. This is all explained and seen in the game, and it only stresses that magic, guardian forces, and other common phenomena make sense physically in their world and can all be understood somehow.

So I can keep writing about the abundance of magic in FFVIII and how it is so common in their world. How can I describe magic in LoZ? Isn't it a bit too limited in comparison to FFVIII? There are many items with a magical effect in LoZ as well as a couple of magic casting foes such as Wizrobes, not to mention the granting of the magic bar in the most recent LoZ titles. But where's this abundance everyone speaks of? Why is it so crucial to have future technology be maintained by magic? How can magic even maintain future technology in the LoZ setting? I want to argue that magic is not so commonplace in LoZ and that the divine/spiritual is what is most stressed from Link's perspective in LoZ games.

Originally Posted by Lloyd Irving

Why is it so crucial to have future technology be maintained by magic? How can magic even maintain future technology in the LoZ setting? I want to argue that magic is not so commonplace in LoZ and that the divine/spiritual is what is most stressed from Link's perspective in LoZ games.

Why is it crucial for it to be maintained with electricity. Did you read my post where I mentioned the universe in "Avatar"?

If magic turns out to be more convienient than electrical devices/machinery, then magic could very well influence Zelda's future. Already, Farore's Wind could potentially be more convienent/useful than any type of electrical/mechanical vehicle.

The Deku Leaf could potentially make short-range plane flights non-existent.

^Not everyone has Farore's Wind, that's the thing Farore's Wind is most likely divine and may perhaps never be witnessed by the common people. It would be more probable for things to be maintained by hydroelectric power or wind power in the LoZ world (that may already be the case in most LoZ settings).