Miyamoto stagnating the series?

Originally Posted by IGNIS

Anyone agree that it would be amazing to have Capcom develop the LoZ console games with Aonuma as the producer?

Depends, are we talking about 2D games or full 3D games? *scared*

Originally Posted by Senap

Depends, are we talking about 2D games or full 3D games? *scared*

3D. It'd be quite a new direction.

I, for one, appreciate Miyamoto's continued ties to the game. Nostalgia is one the main reasons I play Zelda. Twilight Princess was kind of like a dream come true: OoT's spiritual successor.

I hope more of the same comes, to be honest.

Originally Posted by Radek

I, for one, appreciate Miyamoto's continued ties to the game. Nostalgia is one the main reasons I play Zelda. Twilight Princess was kind of like a dream come true: OoT's spiritual successor.

I hope more of the same comes, to be honest.

O, advocate of repetition. How I loathe thee.

Seriously, though-- we're talking about a series that is getting stale. It's a pity that some of the fans are actually asking for more aLttP iterations.

Majora's mask was the right direction, they need to continue in that direction, sidequests, lots of NPC interaction etc.... I don't want another ocarina of time, ocarina of time is a one of a kind game so I don't need a clone to re-play it, I have ocarina of time for that!

Originally Posted by Radek

I, for one, appreciate Miyamoto's continued ties to the game. Nostalgia is one the main reasons I play Zelda. Twilight Princess was kind of like a dream come true: OoT's spiritual successor.

I hope more of the same comes, to be honest.

Masterful trolling. You nearly got me there for a second.

Originally Posted by Radek

I, for one, appreciate Miyamoto's continued ties to the game. Nostalgia is one the main reasons I play Zelda. Twilight Princess was kind of like a dream come true: OoT's spiritual successor.

I hope more of the same comes, to be honest.

See, this is what confuses me about many Zelda fans--to me, the series is becoming further and further entrenched in gaming purgatory, and while there are those who long for something new and different, there are others who refuse to move forward--to at least try something new. We've had the same thing for nearly 23 years now--don'cha thank it's about time for change?!

And I don't know where people are getting this "Zelda Hollywood movie" thing. I said a live action Zelda would be god-awful. But I would very much appreciate a nicely animated one (a la Vampire Hunter D, or even CGI!), and that's really not one of my big concerns. It was just an example I used of Miyamoto's apprehension to expand the Zelda franchise in other marketing areas.

I have and will always hold Zelda as my favorite video game franchise, but honestly...things are getting rather stale.

Originally Posted by Radek

I, for one, appreciate Miyamoto's continued ties to the game. Nostalgia is one the main reasons I play Zelda. Twilight Princess was kind of like a dream come true: OoT's spiritual successor.

I hope more of the same comes, to be honest.

I actually understand a lot of what you mean, but it's exciting to see where Zelda could go with big new ideas. I walk a middle ground--I don't necessarily want the series to abandon its roots and many of its classic gameplay and storyline elements, but I'm open to a new direction as well. I guess I'm in a win-win situation; if Zelda more or less stays the same, then I'll be content, and if someone comes along to shake things up, then I'll be intrigued and excited.

But let me just say this: after experiencing motionplus swordplay for the first time today, I’m incredibly excited about what the next Zelda has to offer. The number one priority for me in Zelda isn’t graphics or storyline, but fun. And motionplus looks like it will bring a lot of it, if not a complete revolution for the series' gameplay.

Originally Posted by IGNIS

3D. It'd be quite a new direction.

I'd say. Well, it could be worth a shot. They proved themselves with OoX so they might be able to do something nice with 3D Zelda.

Also, such a collaboration might be possible considering that Nintendo is teaming up with Team Ninja (Of all people) to make the next Metroid.

Originally Posted by Calypso

But I would very much appreciate a nicely animated one (a la Vampire Hunter D, or even CGI!), and that's really not one of my big concerns. It was just an example I used of Miyamoto's apprehension to expand the Zelda franchise in other marketing areas.

As long as Nintendo doesn't pull a Square-Enix and let the GAME DEVELOPERS be in charge of a Zelda movie. That wouldn't end well

Originally Posted by Senap

As long as Nintendo doesn't pull a Square-Enix and let the GAME DEVELOPERS be in charge of a Zelda movie. That wouldn't end well

What if Nintendo and Square Enix teamed up to create a Zelda? The last major time that collaboration happened, we got the gem that was Super Mario RPG…

I wouldn't trust any dev team other than Nintendo, especially Capcom. Knowing them, it would be an-on rails shooter.

Originally Posted by Ikana General

I wouldn't trust any dev team other than Nintendo, especially Capcom. Knowing them, it would be an-on rails shooter.

The Oracle games and The Minish Cap would like to have a word with you.

Originally Posted by IGNIS

Sure, simple is not necessarily repetitive, but both of these aspects are present in both series. When considering LoZ, one would hope that the next story presented is not reminiscent to that of aLttP or OoT. There may be also an issue when thinking that the next presented story is too simple, considering the fact that it may very well attract a quest that bears a strong resemblance to another LoZ game. It's always a dismay when you realize that it all boils down to an adventure to save Zelda's life.

So as long as the story is new, it can be simple?

Originally Posted by IGNIS

By broader perspective I meant a more detailed view of what is Hyrule and its universe. I don't see how sole gameplay can offer this broader perspective.

Like I said, we both interpret "Broader Perspective" differently.

Originally Posted by IGNIS

Notice the "to me"s throughout your post. I don't necessarily claim that a a rich story renders a dynamic game because I think so. It hardly needs to be based on my best judgment either-- a dynamic game is one that is purposeful, and I don't see how sole gameplay can achieve it, considering the adventure/quest genre of LoZ. There must be an incentive, and it needs to be presented well.

Sorry about that, I've been having debates with Zeldablue lately.

What is it about adventure games that require a deep story? Since when does adventure = story? If I remember correctly, Galaxy won an award reserved for Adventure games. Why does the incentive have to be provided with a story? Why can't it be provided with enjoyable gameplay (if you enjoy a game's gameplay, it's likely you'll continue playing anyway)

We both interpret "dynamic" differently. Unlike you, I can see how sole gameplay can achieve it, and I've seen what sole gameplay can do.

Plus, it's a given that Zelda will have Wii-pushing graphics and it's pretty likely that they'll have orchestral music.

Originally Posted by IGNIS

Again, I have no idea how to reply to this simple statement. Why is the case that an intricate story line would be the least influential for this elusive LoZ game?

Story has never helped a game in sales, and story hasn't helped a game in terms of the mainstream audience. If you play a game for its storyline, you're playing an interactive movie, simply put.

However, gameplay has always helped a game. Even graphics and music directly enhance gameplay.

Originally Posted by IGNIS

What happens to Mario is not necessarily what will happen to LoZ.

Oh cmon! We've been through this!

What is it about an elf kid who hangs around with fairies and imps and a princess that says it can't?

Originally Posted by Silver

Masterful trolling. You nearly got me there for a second.

Masterful trolling. You nearly got me there for a second.

Originally Posted by Mr_Zora_Decu

I agree with the first part of the thread. There is one event that made me think that Aonuma was better to continue the series to the "next generation"........ OoT's time mechanics caused a SPLIT TIMELINE, majora's mask's time mechanics prevented the pisibility of another split within the game Gotta love Aonuma for that.

But the split timeline is what makes therorizing fun.

Lol, the Legend of Zelda series is so stale. The only game that isn't stale is Majora's Mask.

Originally Posted by PimPSlaP

But the split timeline is what makes therorizing fun.

Sure on split is alright, but i'd hate it if MM's timetravel mechanics caused a second split Theorizing would be come a course rather than an art.

Originally Posted by GECK~101

Lol, the Legend of Zelda series is so stale. The only game that isn't stale is Majora's Mask.

Wind Waker was kinda fresh too. As was OoT since it was basically the first of the 3d games.

TP however, brought nothing new to the table.

Aenuma's MM was beautiful. If he could work up another Zelda like that without Miyamoto changing anything, he'd probably make game of all time because he showed his awesome potential with ALttP, MM, TWW, etc, and hes got basically one of the best, if not, THE BEST, gaming franchises to work with.

If the next Zelda stays to its roots too much (like TP did) I'll be angry, because Nintendo may as well just go and remake OoT.

Originally Posted by Ganon the King

Aenuma's MM was beautiful. If he could work up another Zelda like that without Miyamoto changing anything, he'd probably make game of all time because he showed his awesome potential with ALttP, MM, TWW, etc, and hes got basically one of the best, if not, THE BEST, gaming franchises to work with.

If the next Zelda stays to its roots too much (like TP did) I'll be angry, because Nintendo may as well just go and remake OoT.

Aonuma has yet to prove himself in the field of gameplay. Even MM's gameplay was rather inaccessible.

Whereas Miyamoto has Mario Galaxy under his belt.

I swear, any game that Miyamoto goes allout on would be better than any game that Aonuma went allout on.

Nobody here cares about accessible, Double A. Why should any of us want a Zelda game to be accessible? What does it bring to us personally? Almost nothing.

While we're on the subject of mentiong 2nd/3rd party names, IGNIS, I'd love to see Team Ico and Nintendo Research & Development 1, with Aonuma, Ueda, Kaido, and Sakamoto producing. It would cause me to explode into a rainbow of puppies and ponies and sugar cream.