After ZeldaWii, would you mind having another Cell-Shaded Console Zelda?

I'm just wondering how the majority of you zelda fans would feel of another Cell-Shaded Console Zelda after Zwlda-Wii.

I'd love to see one but they probably will only be handhelds.

I know it's not going to happen, but I'd love it if it did. The DS just can't capture the beauty of cel-shading the way consoles can.

who voted enough?
there have only been 2
TMC/FS/FSA don't count because they're 2d and made by capcom

Originally Posted by xJonahx

who voted enough?
there have only been 2
TMC/FS/FSA don't count because they're 2d and made by capcom

3 including Spirit Tracks.

Anyway, I'd be okay with another Zelda with WW visuals, however, I'd really love to see an anime-style Zelda, with the visuals being similar to the Oracle artwork or Ocarina artwork. I'd love to see how that would work.

I don't know.

Personally, I really enjoyed the fact that Wind-Waker had cell-shaded graphics. It added interest to the game, and it was also a lot smoother, more colorful, and more enjoyable to play at the same time. It was great also, because it was different to the rest, which made the game stand out in a good way. I'd love to see another cell-shaded Zelda game, I think it would be fantastic.

Absolutely...
I love the Cel-Shaded graphics. Maybe the NPC characters would finally start being charming again.

Also, handhelds really screw up the beauty of the cel-shading.

No...I'd be pretty upset if they made another game that looked exactly like The Wind Waker.

Why not? Nothing wrong with diversity within a series. I'm a yes for cel-shading.

Which is exactly why I want Toon Link out. He has erased diversity. He has been in more Zelda games than anyone else...Since 2002 we've had 6 games that all share the same dried out style. I never liked the character design, dispite growing attached to TWW...and then they have the nerve to shoot out 5 more games with the same big-eyed design. TP was the only breath of "fresh air" during the past 7 years.

That's horrible. I love OoT more than anything, but I wouldn't want it's exact character model and 64 graphics engine to be used for the next 7 years. How does that show progression? It doesn't, it just ruins something that was once original and beautiful. Nor do I want TP's style to continue on, I want something new. Oot's style and TP's style aren't nearly as overused as TWW's style, not even...

So no, I wouldn't want another cel-shaded Zelda game if it's just going to be the same thing that TWW was. And I'm not a fan at all of realistic celshading. Like I've said before, I love the lights and shadows of the real world too much to ever really pick cartoon shading over the complexity of real lights and darks.

Toon Link ruined diversity? It brought diversity. Before Toon Link, Zelda only had realistic. To claim realistic games can progress, but cel-shaded can't is ignorant.

Toon Link is only in what? 2 console games?
That's all they do on the DS because it's pretty much all it can handle, so take out the handheld games

If you take Cel Shaded games out of the equation, than you have less options than you would have if you were considering it. So you might as well leave the option on the table just in case.
This thread is a great example of why they need to keep doing cel-shaded games every once in a while. The introduction of Cel-Shading to Zelda also split the fans all over the world. Many people took to the Cel Shading. These people love it, and want to see more of it, like me. Others, did not. And therfore, see no reason to keep Cel-shading, like you. The big N knows that it would be a wise decision to try to keep both fans happy.
Cel-shading will continue, as it would be a bad idea to discontinue it.

Originally Posted by Triforce of the Gods

Toon Link ruined diversity? It brought diversity. Before Toon Link, Zelda only had realistic. To claim realistic games can progress, but cel-shaded can't is ignorant.

It's not diversity if all the games look exactly the same. LoZ, AoL, ALttP, LA, OoS and OoA were realistic? They were 2D sprites, though the art can be considered "realistic" they all had a different look and feel. OoT was not realistic in terms of most things, but it had a very realistic and immense world for it's time. MM, amazingly great game but was just created to make a quick buck over OoT's success. and then you have TP, which looks completely different from OoT and MM.

On the Cel shaded side we have Wind Waker, Four Swords, Four Swords Adventures, Minish Cap, Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks. All of which look exactly the same. Not including the 2D games we've still got TWW, PH and ST which is more than enough.

I don't like when major Zelda games repeat graphics. Every Zelda should be another great leap in innovation and creativity. TWW Link was original yes...but they destroyed him, and you are helping to destroy him by having him copied and pasted again and again. I want to move forward in innovation and creativity. I wouldn't want TP's design to carry on (And I'll be ticked if it really does) and I wouldn't want the same for TWW's design.

Celshading can progress sure. But celshading has nothing to do with character design...and I'll just simply say I wouldn't notice any difference if they kept making Cel shading "better" because it wouldn't look any where near as different compared to the last Cel shaded game. While "realistic" shaded games would show way more progress. Cel shading has like 2 variations...outlines and no outlines. I think outlines look really ugly, really ugly.

And there are just things that cel shading can't do. I want to see real shading, I want to see the flow of clear realistic water. That was like a huge thing that I loved when playing TP. I want to see realistic shading simply put, I'd be happy as a freakin seagull if they had realisticallly shaded environments with Toon Link popped right in there for the heck of it.

Handheld Zeldas make up more than half of the series by the way. =\ Anyone who counts them out or doesn't play them is missing out on half the greatness.

I'd want it much more than a cel-shaded handheld, that's for sure. But even so, if they're just going to copy WW's style, then I'm not going to be very pleased. If they can pull off cel-shading in a different manner and make it look good, then yes, I'd be all for it.

Actually, it's not just cel-shading I don't want to see on the DS, but 3-d in general. I prefer good 2-d to bad 3-d any day!

We have two options. Cell shading or realism. I say they keep doing what they've done and have: DS=Cell shading, Wii=Realism.

Originally Posted by Zeldablue777

It's not diversity if all the games look exactly the same. LoZ, AoL, ALttP, LA, OoS and OoA were realistic?

Handheld Zeldas make up more than half of the series by the way. =\ Anyone who counts them out or doesn't play them is missing out on half the greatness.

First off, yes, they were realistic. For the times anyway.

And secondly, I'm not counting out the handhelds, i'm just making the point that in this specific debate, we should forget about them altogether. The handheld Zelda's and the Console ones are completely different (excluding the ports)
This is about weather or not Cel-Shading should return to the console Zelda, not handheld Zelda.
Console wise, we have 1 Cel-Shaded game. TWW
Realistic games for the console, we have 7. TP, MM, OoT, LA, ALttP, AoL, LoZ.

...What exactly is realistic then? This? With the cartoon sprites and bright solid colored background?



All Zeldas are cartoons or borderline realistic. All having a different style and design. However TWW has been repeating more than any other style. Cel shading has to do with shading. it looks like a cartoon because of it's shading. However, 2D games don't have shading at all, so they are not realistic, they're more cartoon than TWW. Realistic shading however is present in OoT, MM and TP. Cel shading in present in TWW and FSA.

Even if they made a new Cel shaded Zelda game that had a NEW character design that wasn't fugly. I would still be upset because I feel more alive in an environment that isn't composed of more than 4 solid colors. The only way Nintendo could cure this ridiculous split in the fanbase it to release a "realistic" console Zelda next to a Cel-shaded console Zelda. If that was done, I would quickly buy both on launch and probably alternate between the two games.

The problem is there is a slim chance of that ever happening. Instead we'd get a Celda console game that all the TWW fans (who are the minority) will love (Or hate because it feels too much like TWW) while everyone else feels cheated once again. And then ontop of that they'd release 5 new cel shaded DS games just to rub it in.

However, 2D games don't have shading at all, so they are not realistic, they're more cartoon than TWW

Now try to tell me that is cartoony.


And like I said earlier, they were'nt going for toony. This is just the best they could do. And really, it doesn't even look very cartoony. As soon as the tachnology became availible, they jumped the gun and went more realistic. I also remember back when the WW was introduced, people everywhere were freaking out. The controversy that Nintendo would release a cartoony Zelda, when every earlier game was going for the realistic feel.

The only way Nintendo could cure this ridiculous split in the fanbase it to release a "realistc" console Zelda with a Cel-shaded console Zelda.

That would make it so much worse. Because then by the time they release a new Zelda game, and it is only released in one of the two styles, half the fans would be pissed.

The problem is there is a slim chance of that ever happening. Instead we'd get a Celda console game that all the TWW fans

Apparently not.
The next Zelda is looking very realistic.

Who will feel cheated now? The Wind Waker fans.

And then ontop of that they'd release 5 new cel shaded DS games.

Seriously. Who the hell cares? Go make a thread about Celshaded handheld games if thats what you want to talk about.

Consolewise, every time, they've realesed 2 realistic games in a row since the 3-d split. OoT/MM, TP/Untitled new zelda game with WW in the middle.
Nintendo is doing more than enough to keep the realistic fans happy.

From 2002 up to November 19th 2006...we've had nothing but Toon Link. and then right after TP we had more Toon Link we're in a Toon Link sandwich. I enjoy my handheld games, and I really liked PH and I'm looking foward to ST dispite it looking exactly like PH, which really ticks me off. But for a new major console Zelda, no. I don't want to go back to Cel Shading after being fed ONLY Toon Link games for half a decade. Eiji Aonuma thinks he can appease everyone with Celda on handheld and Zelda on console. He made it clear that he doesn't like realism on his handheld. Toon Link appears every single year. Us getting a realistic Zelda game every 7 years because of Toon Link doesn't seem right to me, especially since all handheld games have toon Link's graces all over them.

I'm a fan who plays every Zelda game, so the lack of original style and character design hits me hard. The past decade for me has been.

2002 Celda
2003 Celda
2004 Celda
2005 Celda
2006 Twilight Princess
2007 Celda
2008 - - - - -
2009 Celda

Soo...looking at that could you please understand where I'm coming from?