How would you improve the Zelda series

People who moan about how 'easy' Twilight Princess is should take a trip to the Cave of Ordeals and try to complete it without any health potions. I never did make it through the cave, it was impossible when I got the the 30th floor and had about another 20 floors to go!

I do pretty good until the last five levels. After that i just barely make it through because i have three health potions and a bunch of rupees for the magic armor. Serioulsy that is just insane! I wouldn't want the entire game to be that hard it'd be impossible!

Originally Posted by Potent Col

People who moan about how 'easy' Twilight Princess is should take a trip to the Cave of Ordeals and try to complete it without any health potions.!

Been there, done that. Easy.

...But have you beaten it with only 3 hearts and no fairies!?!







Me neither...D= But I was close.

Originally Posted by Potent Col

People who moan about how 'easy' Twilight Princess is should take a trip to the Cave of Ordeals and try to complete it without any health potions. I never did make it through the cave, it was impossible when I got the the 30th floor and had about another 20 floors to go!

ummmm......... i kinda did it on accedent

Originally Posted by Silver

Been there, done that. Easy.

What proof do you have?

Originally Posted by Zeldablue777

...But have you beaten it with only 3 hearts and no fairies!?!

Yes.

Originally Posted by Oni Dark Link

What proof do you have?

It sounds like you expect me to record everything I play.

You'll just have to take my word for it.


It isn't even that hard, since the AI is so pathetic. All you need to do is stand on the opening ledge killing everything with projectiles anyway.

Despite proof of its falsehood I still hold steadfast to the wonderfully fresh ideas that sprouted from Project Deluge. Steampunk era, with a character that's not actually Link. I actually think that would work. It would also provide space to develop this character because he's not actually Link, he just thinks he is. So he wouldn't be restricted to the tiresome blandness that real Link is. The character that thinks he is Link might force himself to saving the world because real Link isn't there to save anyone.

Plus, voice acting. Yes. The series needs it. Accept that fact.

I would personally add a similar schedule that's seen in MM... only make it much much bigger. Each NPC would do something different each day, that also changes with weather. Each NPC would have multiple sidequests that could be done. Everyone would have more varied stuff, while others stay the same.

Also I would make bigger cities. With alot more to do. Sorta like Kakariko in OoT(being able to climb all over the place) only make it much larger and more... city like. I am really tried of all these small towns.

Also I would probably make the enemies alot harder. Maybe throw in a difficulty setting. Mostly this would effec the dungeons. There would be multiple pathways through a dungeon. On Hard, the easier of the pathways would be blocked off. Maybe it just collapsed or something. On easy, the Hard pathway would be blocked. Parts of the dungeon would intertwine with eachother, but the pathways enemies and puzzles would be different or more complex. Normal would also have its seperate pathway. Hell even throw in Legend setting where you have to complete each pathway so you can get to the boss.

I would also make bosses alot harder and challenging.

Originally Posted by Silver

Yes.
It sounds like you expect me to record everything I play.
You'll just have to take my word for it.
It isn't even that hard, since the AI is so pathetic. All you need to do is stand on the opening ledge killing everything with projectiles anyway.

Never mind.
Okay just one thing, how is the AI any worse than Metroid 3?

Originally Posted by Crab Helmet

Why wouldn't the transformation have the same effect? Rather than be forced to watch it from one little angle, you could run around wildly trying to get away/try attacking him whilst he transforms only to find he damages you/etc.

Because then, it wouldn't be a cutscene.

I'm not campaigning to remove cinematics altogether, I'm just saying that long cutscenes are bad.

Originally Posted by Crab Helmet

Double A, I'm not arguing to have VA only, I'm arguing for VA + text. And VA + text is inherently superior to text, on account of having everything text does, + VA.

The problem of "broken VA" occurs.

Since I read faster than people speak, I would pass the text faster than the VA could finish. Hence, the VA would sound "broken", which would be worse than exclusive VA or text. It's one or the other, and VA offers too little advantage (if any) IMO.

Originally Posted by Crab Helmet

Also, it wouldn't lead to a shorter storyline, that's bull****, it simply means that you have to pay attention to what people are saying more, which shouldn't be a problem if they're actually saying something meaningful, emotionally or plotwise.

Storyline arises from information. VA imparts less information in the same time as text imparts more information. Therefore...

Originally Posted by Crab Helmet

If Nintendo wants to leave the core gaming market, they can. Zelda has already dramatically dropped on my list of favourite series based on the recent output. It wouldn't bother me hugely, both ICO and SotC do Zelda better than Zelda does. I'd just like to see maybe one Zelda game akin to MM or LA, because I know it's possible. If Nintendo can't do that, sucks to be them next generation, when both the XBox and the PlayStation grasp onto the motion sensitive department with theirt extremely strong core base behind them, and they start losing money like Tom Cruise loses sanity.

"Strong core base?" You mean the same core base whose games keep getting constantly outsold by the likes of Wii Fit? There's kind of a reason the Wii, even in its current state of "selling less than normal" is still selling relatively ok/good numbers by PS360 standards.

Face it, the market doesn't revolve around the core gamer anymore. And pretty soon, motion control will become the new "hardcore", and Nintendo will find another way to disrupt the market, keeping financially ahead of Sony and M-soft.

Don't talk business with me, especially since you don't seem to know much about disruption.

Double A, it seems you're just repeating what Sean Malstrom says in his blog.

Originally Posted by Abyss Master

Double A, it seems you're just repeating what Sean Malstrom says in his blog.

He bloody predicted the rise of Wii. Honestly, I have mad respect for anyone who can predict something so unforseen like that.

Besides, I have a pretty good grasp at what he is saying, so that doesn't invalidate what I say. I like reading his articles, and believe them to a degree. Besides, what else explains the Wii phenomenon? The low price? The 360's cheaper than the Wii.

Originally Posted by Double A

He bloody predicted the rise of Wii. Honestly, I have mad respect for anyone who can predict something so unforseen like that.

Besides, I have a pretty good grasp at what he is saying, so that doesn't invalidate what I say. I like reading his articles, and believe them to a degree. Besides, what else explains the Wii phenomenon? The low price? The 360's cheaper than the Wii.

And that's fine and dandy - I respect him too - but there's a difference between respecting someone and downright copy what they're saying.

Even then, why are you talking about disruption in here in the first place? Chances are that nobody else cares.

Originally Posted by Abyss Master

And that's fine and dandy - I respect him too - but there's a difference between respecting someone and downright copy what they're saying.

Even then, why are you talking about disruption in here in the first place? Chances are that nobody else cares.

Yeah, but I just felt that what Crab Helmet said about the "strong core base" was blatantly wrong. And I tend to argue whenever I find something that I think is incorrect

I have no clue who Sean Malstrom is. I just read his blog and he seems like a nice chap, certainly very dedicated.

I only read his most recent blog post from which I got the impression that he want's a very hardcore Zelda. Would that be right?

I would add a new character and the tetraforce.

Originally Posted by Segnit

I have no clue who Sean Malstrom is. I just read his blog and he seems like a nice chap, certainly very dedicated.

I only read his most recent blog post from which I got the impression that he want's a very hardcore Zelda. Would that be right?

He seems to be the most informed person on the entire internet (and most of outside the internet) about Nintendo's business strategy. He even went so far as to correctly predict the rise of the Wii when everyone else said otherwise.

He doesn't want a more hardcore Zelda, because that would mean a more story-heavy Zelda. I'm not completely sure what he wants, but I do remember reading that he was annoyed at how, in recent Zeldas, it would take ages for you to get a sword and begin the "main" gameplay (coughTPcough), something I would like fixed as well.

Cheers for info

The early part of the game has a lot of room for improvement for sure.

I haven't given much thought to this but I've always wondered if it would be possible to make skipping the early tutorial levels a challange. As in... it's a real challange, or a puzzle even, to be ale to skip the tutorials or sections of the game. Something akin to sequence braking but officially sanctioned if i can call it that.

I don't really think it would be a completely good idea to abolish the tutorial altogether.

Maybe make it shorter and far more subtle...