Post-Apocalyptic Termina

Well first and foremost, I'm new to the forums, so howdy.

INTRODUCTION:
Now.. what became of Termina in the Adult Timeline? Link never went off to save it, and so it was inherently destroyed. Now give that world a good number of centuries to heal and rebuild. Was the entire planet destroyed, or just the country of Termina - or even less, was it simply damaged on a mass scale?

I've long since imagined a game chronicling a re-venture into this land along the Adult Timeline. For instance, what if a third part was added to the Oracle series (Seed of Courage aside) where the Triforce warped Link to Termina to parallel the alternate lands of Holodrum and Labrynna, which don't get me wrong, I do not believe are actual parallel worlds to Hyrule like Termina is. This is of course, if you are willing to cast aside the assumption that the Great Sea in Phantom Hourglass is actually a flooded Termina. Or to avoid such troubles, simply base the game somewhere else along the timeline. Here's original concept art of what I believe would have happened to Termina:



SYNOPSIS:
I see this world as one suspended in an infinite sky, orbiting a weak gravitational pull birthed from the collision between the moon and the planet. Just as Hyrule was subject to an apocalypse that left it waterbound, its counterpart Termina was forced into a skybound world to regather itself. This would further emphasize the polarized relations that these two worlds share; growing more and more opposite. Hyrule's name was buried beneath the ocean, adopting the new title of "The Great Sea", so Termina too will have lost its name, claiming "The Great Skylands".

The countless floating islands orbit the core, or what is now known as the "sun" of the planet, which having weakened in power, cannot seem to weave the land back together; exerting just enough energy to create a gravitational field to keep this semi-planet intact. A large shell-rock, now dubbed as the "moon" orbits closely around the core, blocking light and creating the illusion of night. Normal sunlight from the planet's real sun no longer penetrates the atmosphere, as it is coated with far too much debris. All light is generated by the core (sun).

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Thoughts? What do you believe would have happened to Termina, and do you think we'll get to revisit the land in some form or another in a future installment in the series?

Good idea, I too would like to see this, but shouldn't this be in the theory section?

Originally Posted by HAPPY MASK MAN

Good idea, I too would like to see this, but shouldn't this be in the theory section?

Well I debated between the two sections and thought that since this would involve a future game, that it would be safe to post here. Mods, move if necessary.

Welcome to the forums, and you've got a really fascinating idea to start yourself off with. Assuming there were survivors to rebuild Termina, what about Majora? Does she leave after smashing the world? If we ever visited this place, would the mask-based culture survive? What would a game here center around?

oh yeah welcome man! anyways, I would def love to see a new MM sequel, but as the guy who posted above me said, would it still have masks in it's customs and traditions?

Such a world that has no sunlight would be unable to sustain plant life and, subsequently, oxygen.
If you ignore science, though, it's really awesome.
Provided scenario or otherwise, I would like to see what happens to Termina if it doesn't get saved.

And, no, this doesn't belong in Theorizing. It's a concept for a possible sequel, not a question of what happened to Termina.

I would think that as many customs that survived the Great Flood of Hyrule, so too would survive the crashing of the moon in Termina.

Comparing OoT and WW, a lot has changed, and an incredible amount of tradition and culture has been erased. The same could be said for Termina. The survivors probably knew that Majora's Mask was behind the apocalypse, so the mask-based tradition might diminish for the sake of preventing such an occurrence again.

As for Majora actually surviving. I think it should and should not survive, and I will explain how this happens. Majora was essentially a virus, looking for a host to corrupt in order to spread its evil and destroy Termina. If this is the aftermath of its reign, then perhaps it still exists at large, yet ever-so powerless. I think that Majora has actually become part of the world, rather than a single inhabitant. Link would have to work on healing the entire world, rather than a select few individuals, which means a return of the Song of Healing, and a larger and more effective purpose for it. Perhaps to avoid the musical-focus of this game, a single instrument (in league with the Horse Call from TP) plays the song when activated.

I see this world as a fusion between the spirit of Majora and the body of Termina and the Moon.

Originally Posted by Mandrag

Such a world that has no sunlight would be unable to sustain plant life and, subsequently, oxygen.
If you ignore science, though, it's really awesome.

Well with the exposed core of the planet, it serves as an equal to the now-absent sun, providing enough heat to breathe life into the world. Oxygen is definitely abundant. But alas, Zelda isn't about science - it's about the imagination.

Originally Posted by Spire III

But alas, Zelda isn't about science - it's about the imagination.

Hence, it would be really awesome, I agree. The air thing was just the first bit to come to mind.

Also, that picture is very nice. I commend your artistry.

The Legend of Zelda: Galaxy!

Nice picture. I'd play it. It doesn't look like any Zelda I've ever seen, not that that's a bad thing.

A wonderful idea from such a new member. It would make a great game.

An excellent idea. Usually when I hear a desciption of a return to Termina, I am turned off the idea immediately because I feel it would tarnish the original. But a concept like this could use the same setting and divert the focus completely, making it totally fresh.

The description of Majora in your third post was interesting. Perhaps a title in which we did see the aftermath would give us a larger insight into the intentions of the Mask. Beautiful idea for a world, a fantastic continuation of the setting while it would undoubtedly bring a bounty of new content. Love it.

Glad to hear it guys

Any insight any of you would like to breathe into this idea? It can't be just mine, as it is a sequel to Majora's Mask (give or take a timeline shift or so), and that's something we all know [and should love]. I'd love to hear fresh ideas right off the grill.

Well, Majora's Mask originally had some interesting tidbits that could be built upon. The Moon itself was supposed to hit upon the dawn of the Carnival of Time, which was a celebration of Sun and Moon alignment.

"The Carnival of Time." Each year, the season of harmony begins when the sun and moon are in alignment.

The Moon itself, it's intended destruction of Termina, defied the Carnival of Time by using a symbol of worship, and striking on the dawn of the festival. I don't think we were ever given a proper explination for this, and why Majora's Mask would destroy Termina in this fashion. A new adventure in the post apocalyptic Termina could provide an explination.

That is why I enjoyed this idea so much. Majora's Mask, when within the moon, was surrounded by a giant sun motif. Your idea of Majora somehow becoming a part of the world is interesting because it could give depth to a very strange motivation for a villain.

Originally Posted by Hyperactivity

Well, Majora's Mask originally had some interesting tidbits that could be built upon. The Moon itself was supposed to hit upon the dawn of the Carnival of Time, which was a celebration of Sun and Moon alignment.
The Moon itself, it's intended destruction of Termina, defied the Carnival of Time by using a symbol of worship, and striking on the dawn of the festival. I don't think we were ever given a proper explination for this, and why Majora's Mask would destroy Termina in this fashion. A new adventure in the post apocalyptic Termina could provide an explination.

That is why I enjoyed this idea so much. Majora's Mask, when within the moon, was surrounded by a giant sun motif. Your idea of Majora somehow becoming a part of the world is interesting because it could give depth to a very strange motivation for a villain.

Naturally, all living organisms want to grow; to become more than what they currently are. We are more than what we were 10 years ago, and so we will continue to leech on the world to grow into more than what we are right now. I see Majora as a fiend that fully embodies this concept, but with zero morals. It does not care about anyone or anything aside from itself, and so it will do what it can to destroy the entire world in order to expand its being, and if the means necessary are breaking from its physical shell to flood the energy plane - which would consequently effect everything - then it will.

I see Majora as an introverted galaxy just itching to expand and consume until it becomes all that there is. Majora is not human and so it does not share the morals of humanity. It is not any type of creature - it is a certain type of concentrated energy, and just as Termina functions oppositely of its sister Hyrule, so too does Majora function oppositely of its world Termina. A world that is trying to grow technologically will be undone by a hungry fiend that grows by destroying others.

It's interesting to note that, with the concept of "fate", Termina, as it is so named, is supposed to be destroyed. Majora is living out the purpose of this world, but Link is the true villain, as he disrupts the nature of Termina. The blasphemic Triforce markings throughout the Stone Tower Temple suggest that Termina hates the sacred symbol of Hyrule, and furthermore, Hyrule itself, and that may be because Termina wants to die, yet Hyrule won't let it. Hyrule interferes with Termina's suggested fate of self-termination by sending its hero, Link to save it. Hyrule is an elitist queen, while Termina is its oppressed sister not fit for the throne. To keep up its image of a preservering and upholstered kingdom, Hyrule will fashion itself to be the savior of the whole world. Ganondorf sees this flaw and wants to undo it. He wants the world to see that Hyrule is not absolute and that it can be toppled. He even succeeded before, until divine intervention washed his dreams away with The Great Flood.

I see Ganondorf as not a figure of dark contempt, but rather one that opposes the hallowed visage of the land which he lives in, and one simply with a different idea of how his country should be governed. Being a Gerudo, oppressed already with his desertbound people, he knows the struggles of being in the lower-eschelon of the social hiearchy, and he knows that Hyrule - as an entity - naturally works to raise itself higher and higher above all else. He wants to undo this, to balance the land, and I completely agree with him on this. Similarly, Termina wants to destroy itself so that it may no longer resemble Hyrule, but again through fate, it will forever mirror Hyrule to some extent, as the two suffer world-changing apocalypses.

Just as the Triforce and the Cardinal resemble balance, so too will the worlds grow in that direction, and their denizens will help to carry out these fates.

Originally Posted by Spire III

I see Ganondorf as not a figure of dark contempt, but rather one that opposes the hallowed visage of the land which he lives in, and one simply with a different idea of how his country should be governed. Being a Gerudo, oppressed already with his desertbound people, he knows the struggles of being in the lower-eschelon of the social hiearchy, and he knows that Hyrule - as an entity - naturally works to raise itself higher and higher above all else. He wants to undo this, to balance the land, and I completely agree with him on this. Similarly, Termina wants to destroy itself so that it may no longer resemble Hyrule, but again through fate, it will forever mirror Hyrule to some extent, as the two suffer world-changing apocalypses.

Those are some interesting thoughts you've got about Ganny, but if you played Wind Waker, you'd know that Ganondorf isn't completely the hero you think he is.

Ganon/dorf has never wanted to destroy Hyrule. He's always wished to make it his empire (or Dark World), and if you played Wind Waker, you'd know he covets Hyrule.

He's not some kind of anarchist, he's a greedy, power-lusting individual from tragic background.

BUT ANYWAY, you have a fantastic, very imaginative idea here. Still, it's kind of weird to see people still existing in Termina.

I dunno, the way I'm imagining your game, I'm sort of seeing the people of Termina existing as an imprint of themselves, generated by Majora. I can sort of view these people as suffering in their new world. They'd be souls tied to the broken land they once inhabited, and the Song of Healing would heal them and put them out of their misery.

I can imagine Link having to deal with a situation parallel to Link's Awakening, except instead of erasing people who are blissful, he'd be erasing people who are suffering. And I can also see Link traveling to the core, or very close to the core at the end of the game to play the Song of Healing to the core, and have it radiate the song's effects to the rest of Termina.

I think it would be cool if link used the ocarina of time and went back to save this land from being destroyed it would be A awesome sequel to MM! I don't know, would it OR could it work???

I think Termina was a one time deal. Good idea but, Nintendo never went in a MM style ever since MM.

Wikad Awesome idea!

If that exact game was announced i would be so up for it.

Cool Idea!

Mario galaxy was the first thing that came to my mind while reading this

Also, nice picture.