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Originally Posted by Zeldablue777

No, it's fine be miserable then. xD

You see, I kind of think we should wait for at least a flippin' trailer to say "GAH! SUCKAGE!"

Really? And when will we get another trailer? E3 next year? A whole year? 12 months? I think they should hire more workers over there at Nintendo. Do they have like 5 people working there or something? Then do they hire like 40 others for the last 3 months of development to make their credits look good? Because thats what obviously happened with TP. Zelda games are getting so similar these days that it shouldn't take more than two years to develop each game. Nintendo know the formula by now. Finish 3 dungeons and get the stones and then finish 6 more dungeons to get the medallions. Make the silly environments that are carbon copies of old environments, make the remixes of old music from past games, don't even bother with VA we are too cheap for that (but we pretend to be traditional to cover it up) and then write up some cliche storyline to "fill-in" borrowing off the sucessful games like ALttP and OoT.

1) Like others have said, you're basing all your hate on this new Zelda Wii on almost no information, and most of the information isn't canon, it's just speculation that (i don't know why) people are taking it and thinking it's canon. IT ISN'T. So judge the game when you have either played it, have more info, or seen a trailor.
2) I thought TP was a great game. It had a new antagonists, protagonists, and a new storyline. While I'll admit TP did have its downfalls, it was a great game over all. You need to stop only looking at only the downfalls. Try viewing the Zelda games like you do Oot. Try looking at only the good things instead. Or try viewing Oot like you did TP.
3) Oot isn't the greatest game in the series. Pretty much the only spectacular thing that Oot introduced was 3-D and L-targeting. Even then it wasn't the first game ever to come out with 3-D. And Oot was no the first game to introduce an instrument. Alttp had and ocarina, and it came out before Oot. Oot's dungeon system was introduced in Alttp as well.

Originally Posted by Navi says Hey!

What's your big problem with side-kicks?
And is it a bad trend that Nintendo wants to develop better storylines for the Zelda franchise?

What are you mad about? Nintendo not adding more important characters than Zelda, Ganon and a side-kick (like a whole party like in 80% of all rpgs) or that you simply don't want a side-kick since they've been used in too may games of the series and you want something new?

Maybe I didn't explain this before.

Making the emphasis of the storyline on the side-kick (like what they did with Midna) wrecks the game because all emphasis is put onto one single character. The story should be a focus on multiple characters, close to you and not close to you, from all sort of places that are all somehow involved in the overall story. Not some emphasized main character that is only there in the first place because Link doesn't have a character of his own. Its like Batman and Robin only, Batman now always gets a new side-kick... every single game. All we need now is for the new side-kick to fill the role of his sword and then she'll be hiding in his sword and whenever you need to talk to her you won't be able to go near other people. She'll say "we better go somewhere else - don't want to scare anyone!!" You know what my answer would be...

xD I can't believe this. Why would they just copy and paste TP. They soaked the criticism in, they know what America hated about it. When we b****ed about TWW they soaked that in too. They aren't retarded they know the series needs change. You make it seem like making a game is sooo easy that it can be done overnight, please don't give me that.

Do you think Ciela dominated the story on PH? There were times in the game when I forgot her name, her existence. Link's new partner doesn't even look like she can talk. And even if she can she doesn't look like a character that would dominate like Midna. Really...horrible horrible assumptions.

you know what? I"m tired of you nonexplainable hate. Why don't you go stew over somewhere else and stop whining.

Originally Posted by TP or Oot

1) Like others have said, you're basing all your hate on this new Zelda Wii on almost no information, and most of the information isn't canon, it's just speculation that (i don't know why) people are taking it and thinking it's canon. IT ISN'T. So judge the game when you have either played it, have more info, or seen a trailor.
2) I thought TP was a great game. It had a new antagonists, protagonists, and a new storyline. While I'll admit TP did have its downfalls, it was a great game over all. You need to stop only looking at only the downfalls. Try viewing the Zelda games like you do Oot. Try looking at only the good things instead. Or try viewing Oot like you did TP.
3) Oot isn't the greatest game in the series. Pretty much the only spectacular thing that Oot introduced was 3-D and L-targeting. Even then it wasn't the first game ever to come out with 3-D. And Oot was no the first game to introduce an instrument. Alttp had and ocarina, and it came out before Oot. Oot's dungeon system was introduced in Alttp as well.

Like I said, if Nintendo hadn't fixed the Zelda's "issues" with TP its highly unlikely that they'll fix them again with the new game.

Also, I have never even mentioned anything about OoT. I want the awesome breathing world of MM again, the beautiful deep, dark mood with all the side-quests. Imagine it with the power of the Wii.... beautiful.

You sound just like an oot fanboy though. Stop whining.

Originally Posted by Zeldablue777

xD I can't believe this. Why would they just copy and paste TP. They soaked the criticism in, they know what America hated about it. When we b****ed about TWW they soaked that in too. They aren't retarded they know the series needs change. You make it seem like making a game is sooo easy that it can be done overnight, please don't give me that.

Do you think Ciela dominated the story on PH? There were times in the game when I forgot her name, her existence. Link's new partner doesn't even look like she can talk. And even if she can she doesn't look like a character that would dominate like Midna. Really...horrible horrible assumptions.

Ok, lets get this straight out there:

Maybe its just my personal taste, but I am not enjoying the fact that Nintendo think Link needs to always have a side-kick. This new side-kick already seems to have similarities to Midna, I can see the whole thing happening again because of it. I am fed up with the "side-kick" theme. Maybe they will drop it a bit in this next Zelda, but as far as I can see they won't, I just know it.

Holy crap. Why does everything have to be about OoT fans? This guy is an MM fanboy (like the ones on IGN) stop thinking OoT fanboys are the root of everyone's problem. God.

OoT fanboys aren't the root to the problems around here, MM fanboys are.

Originally Posted by TP or Oot

You sound just like an oot fanboy though. Stop whining.

No, I just sound like someone that has a strong interest in the future of the games he is passionate about. I think your being rude, because I believe my original post was very valid and not just "whining" and if you've got nothing to contribute to this thread as many other people ACTUALLY DO (like Zeldablue777), then don't post here again. I am trying to resolve something and I believe I have made some progress and your annoying, childish posts are not helping!

That's not what I meant Zeldablue...
Anyways, side-kicks are all that bad. I don't see why you seem to think so. And anyways, there is no way for you to know whether this new side-kick is anything like Midna. She could be like tatl for all we know.

Originally Posted by Ganon the King

I am absolutely sick in the stomach of the fact that Nintendo seem to concentrate now on Link's "side-kick." No, as I am typing this I am really put off by this. Its sickening me. I can't believe it. Its just hit me hard. Look at Midna, they thought they were doing something incredible and justifying. **** them. And then they went and made a game that felt unfinished on top of it and couldn't even squeeze in a few side-quests. That's ill. That's corrupt. And regardless of all the nice things that came with TP, these Miyamoto and Aenuma guys are sickening me. Like how they think they are creating great, awesome games by rehashing ideas like "Dark Mirror" as "twilight mirror" and putting in main characters of the plot and then barely developing them. And doing even more disgusting things like making it so that Ganondorf DOES NOT EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE Link is there at all. I swear to my gods Din, Nayru and Farore that if the next Zelda is like this I am quiting Zelda forever and I am changing my main gaming series (and the dedication that goes with it) to something else (Tales of maybe even FF).

You should probably consider getting a girlfriend or something.

Originally Posted by TP or Oot

That's not what I meant Zeldablue...
Anyways, side-kicks are all that bad. I don't see why you seem to think so. And anyways, there is no way for you to know whether this new side-kick is anything like Midna. She could be like tatl for all we know.

Ok, this is the problem.

I don't like the fact that our precious Zelda series will eventually, in a few years time, be known for Link and his side-kicks. The image that Zelda will be known for will be Link and his "un-fitting" side-kick. It'll make you vomit, I can assure you. I'm just good at sensing things early...

Originally Posted by Lynch

You should probably consider getting a girlfriend or something.

Its called exaggeration and maybe a bit of humour ****head. If you have nothing to add to this topic and just want to get your post count up, I recommend that you leave right now. I don't like your mentality.

That's not what I meant Zeldablue...

Oh...sorry then. xD Being a huge OoT fangirl I find it unsettling that people think TP haters = OoT fans. OoT, MM and TP are my favorite video games ever. Making another game like OoT is not a good thing like I used to think, because it would only lessen OoT's glory.

I don't want same ole' same ole' I want something that competes with Zelda's huge step into 3D. I want something that has the beautiful atmosphere of what Zelda is, but freshen it up with a brand new twist...Which is what I feel Z-Wii will do. Seriously, the motion plus looks epic and anyone who says it'll water-down the series more is misinformed.

Link has had sidekicks ever since OoT. It's part of the casualisation of the series, in a good way. New players who don't know what to do will quickly find themselfs clueless. Midna is jus the best way of integrating the sidekick.

Originally Posted by Zeldablue777

Oh...sorry then. xD Being a huge OoT fangirl I find it unsettling that people think TP haters = OoT fans. OoT, MM and TP are my favorite video games ever. Making another game like OoT is not a good thing like I used to think, because it would only lessen OoT's glory.

I don't want same ole' same ole' I want something that competes with Zelda's huge step into 3D. I want something that has the beautiful atmosphere of what Zelda is, but freshen it up with a brand new twist...Which is what I feel Z-Wii will do. Seriously, the motion plus looks epic and anyone who says it'll water-down the series more is misinformed.

Totally agreed - I have a lot of respect for you.

Originally Posted by Darth Alec

Link has had sidekicks ever since OoT. It's part of the casualisation of the series, in a good way. New players who don't know what to do will quickly find themselfs clueless. Midna is jus the best way of integrating the sidekick.

Clueless? They must be really dumb. The likelihood of their first game being Zelda is low anyway.

I just don't particularly like the fact that the core of the storyline therefore becomes executed by the side-kick he/herself.

I don't think that will happen. I really don't see Link's new partner stealing the show. But of course, I've already come to the conclusion that Z-Wii will star Link from OoT/MM...on another adventure. So, we all have our assumptions. >_>

Something that some times urks me is the fact that I don't really like getting introduced to new Links. I'd rather have a Link that is already experienced, one that I've come to know, continue his adventure. I really loved MM for that because it really felt like Link had grown. (Not so much in PH, TWW Link fell backwards in epicness)

But if the new Zelda is Older MM Link, Imma be freakin' excited. I'm rather sick of revisiting the same places over and over, but I'm hoping the new Zelda has a World Map as opposed to just Hyrule and borderlands. >_> Anywaaays, the most exciting thing to me is a chance for an already well-known experienced Link revisiting Hyrule. That's never happened before, and I think it'd be a sweet twist to what so many call Link's empty personality. A Zelda that starts with Link already idolized, already friends with Princess Zelda...already cool as heck. Mmmm...

BLAH BLAH BLAH TP SUCKS IT SINGLE HANDEDLY DESTROYED THE ENTIRE ZELDA FRANCHISE EVEN THOUGH IT WAS JUST ONE GAME AND BLAH BLAH BLAH MM IS THE BEST THING SINCE SLICED BREAD

Almost every thread is like that now. And this one is no exception. Maybe it would be a good idea to realize that Zelda isn't going down the *****ter at all.. It is not going down the toilet as fast as you think. One game that didn't bring anything new isn't going to kill the franchise. Look at Sonic. HE deserves a fanbase that would refuse to buy his games to make SEGA realize that they haven't made a good game in almost 10 years. Zelda: 1 bad game. Sonic: 10 bad games over the decade (at least).


So yeah, quit complaining please.