Should Ganondorf become an anti-hero instad of villain?

The only reason why people are starting to say Ganondorf has overstayed his welcome in Zelda is merely because of the story. Everytime I play a Zelda game that involves Ganondorf, I know that it can only end with Link impaling Ganondorf with the Master Sword, only to break out of eternal damnation to eventually suffer the same fate over again.

Maybe instead of getting rid of one of nintendo's most well known characters, why not just give Ganondorf a new spin? The Wind Waker definately stepped it up by humanizing him, explaining why he wants to rule the land in Hyrule, but if we are to keep Ganondorf fresh, why not make him an even more sympathetic character.

How interesting would it be to play a game with Ganondorf seeking vengeance on Hyrule under a corrupt Leadership? Instead of having a Zelda game involving Ganondorf with the generally obvious goody-guy bad-guy type of game, it would be quite interesting to play a game as Ganondorf avenging Gerudo Valley and a more corrupt royal family.

instead of having another game where Hero-of-Time intervenes and stops the bad guy from overtaking Hyrule, it would be interesting to see the Zelda franchise create a storyline that really revolve around a game with no true heros or villains.

Sure, why not a game where we play as Ganondorf? I see in this more potencial, than the ordinary Zelda Titles. With some luck, we could play it like God of War. That would be really badass.

Or maybe have Link and Ganondorf fighting a mutual enemy, though each through different means and possibly having to help each other out at certain points in the game?

In my opinion, I think it would be preferrable to give the Hero of Time a break for a game such as this, but if Link were be in a game revolving around Ganondorf's vengeance, I'd give him a recurring role like King Bulbin in TP, possibly as a boss, maybe even of final boss.

If Link were to be in it, it would also be cool if Vaati came into play and Link and Ganon had to put their differences aside to team up and defeat him, only to have a sequel for the two to resolve their relationship as rivals. I know, I've put quite a bit of thought into this.

I'd like Ganondorf to remain the villain.

But they need to up his story. Maybe if he started out as an anti-hero.

I like the idea of a corrupted Royal Family...Like Zelda's dad or brother flipping out (AoL, anyone?) and messing Hyrule all up. Yeah, I've had the same idea...but the last thing I wanna see in Ganon(dorf) team up with Link. Sure he can use Link...it wouldn't be the first time. And he can frame Link...also wouldn't be the first time...but Ganondorf is always bad, no matter how sentimental.

I like my reply to yesterday's news post. I feel it's relevant.

Tyler, have you ever heard of the phrase "don't ruin the classics?" That's basically what Nintendo has done with Ganondorf. Back in the day, he was the ****, but they've used him to the point where he's completely lost every ounce of what made him a great villain.

Nintendo needs to retire Ganondorf for good because the last thing that needs to happen is for such an iconic antagonist to become so watered down that he's not even a good villain anymore. You know, the preserve his good name instead of tainting it.

@ Great Panda: I agree with that statement. I'm not too sure on the specifics but I'm sure Zelda has had Ganon as the main villian in like 3/4 of it's games so he has gotten a little tiresome. I mean, technically Ganondorf has only been here for 3 games (OoT, WW, TP) but even then it seems like pushing it. I would just like to see 1 more Ganon/dorf appearance until finally retiring him for good. Just one last good blow out then no more. TP's Ganon just seemed disappointing to me since you just saw so little of him and idk I just didn't like TP at all in general.

The thing is, a third of Ganondorf's appearances have been relatively pathetic, and the other two, while epic, were relatively shallow.

Ganondorf needs a good appearance. They can't retire Ganondorf for good on account of the whole Triforce thing. Ganon is the Zelda villain, just like Bowser in Super Mario.

EDIT: Also, Ganondorf is my favourite Zelda character.

He reached a peak in tWW, and I'm surprised they even managed that, considering how long he'd been waning for. By now, he seems somewhat like Team Rocket in the Pokemon games. They've been defeated so many times they're just run-of-the-mill boredom. Besides, there is no rule that says "Ganondorf MUST have the ToP" - if somebody more powerful comes, then it's theirs. I'd like Ganondorf to be given a rest for three games or so, just so he can recoup his scare factor.

Originally Posted by Crab Helmet

He reached a peak in tWW, and I'm surprised they even managed that, considering how long he'd been waning for. By now, he seems somewhat like Team Rocket in the Pokemon games. They've been defeated so many times they're just run-of-the-mill boredom. Besides, there is no rule that says "Ganondorf MUST have the ToP" - if somebody more powerful comes, then it's theirs. I'd like Ganondorf to be given a rest for three games or so, just so he can recoup his scare factor.

Two games is enough...

If they keep him outta ST, maybe they can bring him in for Z-Wii.

The only way I would want to see Ganondorf as any kind of hero is if it were during his early childhood before he went bad. It just wouldn't make sense for old Ganondorf to change his spots.

Originally Posted by Double A

Two games is enough...

If they keep him outta ST, maybe they can bring him in for Z-Wii.

No. A full three minimum, or at least have him absent from the next 3D title. Cant you see he's just suffering from the awful trope that is villain decay?

Originally Posted by Crab Helmet

No. A full three minimum, or at least have him absent from the next 3D title. Cant you see he's just suffering from the awful trope that is villain decay?

No, I can't.

What is up with you and the restrictions of the past?

I think either of those two are good ideas. Either leave Ganondorf alone for a while or next do it. Really go all out with Ganondorf... then leave him alone for a while. Either at some point you gotta stop. Cause Ganondorf will get old if he hasn't already. I mean, you don't really want him to end up like Bowser right? Looking more like a big bully instead of a king of evil.

Originally Posted by Kishíro D

I think either of those two are good ideas. Either leave Ganondorf alone for a while or next do it. Really go all out with Ganondorf... then leave him alone for a while. Either at some point you gotta stop. Cause Ganondorf will get old if he hasn't already. I mean, you don't really want him to end up like Bowser right? Looking more like a big bully instead of a king of evil.

I see your point, but I should point out that Bowser hasn't turned out as douche-y as you seem to imply.

In fact, Ganondorf should be as epic as Bowser, with more story of course...

EDIT: But how does overuse of a character weaken their effect? I just don't see it.

Originally Posted by Double A

I see your point, but I should point out that Bowser hasn't turned out as douche-y as you seem to imply.

In fact, Ganondorf should be as epic as Bowser, with more story of course...

EDIT: But how does overuse of a character weaken their effect? I just don't see it.

Hmm I would of loved to see that vid but I refuse to cuz I still haven't played the game and I don't want to spoil anything XP But I'm guessing it's a really climactic scene so I can't really comment on that first part of the post.

Well over using something weakens their effect cuz... idk it just does. That's just how stuff works and it's in nature kinda. It's natural for humans to get bored of something after seeing it for a while. I'm kinda baffled why you don't understand this.

Originally Posted by Kishíro D

Hmm I would of loved to see that vid but I refuse to cuz I still haven't played the game and I don't want to spoil anything XP But I'm guessing it's a really climactic scene so I can't really comment on that first part of the post.

It... is... EPIC!!!

PLAY IT NAO!!!

EDIT:
Atleast watch the review by IGN...

Originally Posted by Kishíro D

Well over using something weakens their effect cuz... idk it just does. That's just how stuff works and it's in nature kinda. It's natural for humans to get bored of something after seeing it for a while. I'm kinda baffled why you don't understand this.

But... the video. This theory of things getting "bad" because they get used alot gets proved somewhat wrong by the video...

And it seems you don't understand it either...

Originally Posted by Double A

But... the video. This theory of things getting "bad" because they get used alot gets proved somewhat wrong by the video...

And it seems you don't understand it either...

Well first off I never said getting "bad" just getting dull cause we've seen it all before, which is bad for the series. I mean if they switched it up and made it epic like you said and I said earlier in this thread, then we're good. However changing something means it isn't the same thing as before, so you're not using the same thing over again. So I'm still technically right.

Originally Posted by Kishíro D

Well first off I never said getting "bad" just getting dull cause we've seen it all before, which is bad for the series. I mean if they switched it up and made it epic like you said and I said earlier in this thread, then we're good. However changing something means it isn't the same thing as before, so you're not using the same thing over again. So I'm still technically right.

Did you just agree with me?

And moar importantly, WHY HAVEN'T YOU PLAYED MARIO GALAXY?