Rrrromance?

Originally Posted by Zeldablue777

Sooo, Link should just keep falling in love with random characters?

No, not necessarily. I don't really care that much who he falls in love with, I guess is my bottom line, just as long as they have a fresh take on it. I've missed out on the 2D Zelda games, and on pretty much all of the 3D ones, Zelda's character has been kinda boring to me. (Tetra was kinda cute, I guess, but as soon as she turned into Zelda, it was like, *yawn* again for me)


I suppose it also has to do with the position she's always been in, being the "damsel in distress", as someone mentioned before. It's not really a huge issue with me, anyway. I would just like for them to break her out of that either sage ( dunno if this word exists in English, but it does in French--I get confused ), bland persona or the tough girl rude one.

But again, whatev. Just want something fresh. I'm tired of the "saviour with princess thing". Every fairytale like thing has that.

Originally Posted by Shinespark

Honestly, yes. As has been said before in this thread, Zelda has never been really known for fairy tale endings (although AoL was a notable exception to this). The grand hero marrying the princess he saved is an awfully fairy-tale-unrealistic sort of romance to me. It's nice to see him "falling in love" (if it can be called that, since he never talks) with other characters. As much as I think TP was a mediocre piece of crap for a game, I have to give the writers some very serious kudos for that ending. That was just beautiful. That's the kind of romance that Zelda needs. Not this fairytale princess and hero thing, in my opinion.

Right

Depending on the game i'm Marinxlink, Malonxlink, RomanixLink, DinxLink, NayruxLink, ZeldaxLink, TetraxLink, and IlliaxLink

I would be SariaxLink but considering she doesn't age that would be a little weird after ten years or so

And please

nobody mention RutoxLink

BTW, Shinespark, nice way of more eloquently expressing what I feel. Didn't see your post until now.

Originally Posted by Cafe Mocha

In my opinion, it doesn't necessarily need to happen--everyone expects and assumes that it will/already has happened, that it just seems so...I dunno...overplayed?

If they somehow get a fresh take on it, fine. It's just that it's already so deeply entrenched in everyone's mind that Link should fall in love with Zelda, it feels that it has already happened 100x over, if that makes any sense.

At any rate, whether Link romances with her or not, his actively romancing with another female character would inevitably detract from Zelda's role and strength of presence in the story, even more than in Twilight Princess, as the new girl would inevitably start functioning in capacities that would have normally been filled by Zelda/Sheik/Tetra. That, or the romance would suck.

Originally Posted by Retribution

At any rate, whether Link romances with her or not, his actively romancing with another female character would inevitably detract from Zelda's role in the story, even more than in Twilight Princess.

My point there was not what whether or not Zelda's role would be detracted from, I'm just saying that if the developers do choose to have Link and Zelda fall in love, then I would like a fresh take on the whole thing--Zelda's character and how they go about it, since down to its core, the pairing is pretty obvious (if this is the right word).

I want no material for perverts or overly immersed fans.

The problem with a ZeLink relationship in general is this key factor: Zelda rarely has an active involvement in the games. The purpose of Zelda is that she is somehow responsible for the state of affairs, or is deeply immersed in the events currently trying to undo said state of affairs. But her role has almost always been one of discretion. Her impact is tremendous, but her character never is. She is almost more of a guide than anything to Link, giving him scant direction once in a while, but mostly working from the shadows of the game's focus.

This is, in fact, why I believe these games are called the Legend of Zelda. It is because of her actions, and not her presence, that makes the games what they are. This fact on its own would seem to destroy any hope of a Zelda relationship, as the scope of her role almost necessitates her lack of involvement with Link. Of course, this is just my opinion on the matter, but this is how I have always viewed the ZeLink relationship.

My problem with people always pairing Link with Zelda is they give no reasons as to why they should be together other than they look adorable together. For one thing their character/personalities seem to clash and not fit with one another.

Zelda = royal leader who is very wise and all knowing.

Link = humble commoner who is generally more akin to a simple minded and gentle spoken follower than a well spoken leader.

If Link were ever hinted to have a personality that is unlike how he usually is in the games and more like a leader type like Leonidas from the movie 300 or Beowulf from movie of the same name, then Zelink with Link becoming a king would make perfect sense.

Originally Posted by Shinespark

The problem with a ZeLink relationship in general is this key factor: Zelda rarely has an active involvement in the games. The purpose of Zelda is that she is somehow responsible for the state of affairs, or is deeply immersed in the events currently trying to undo said state of affairs. But her role has almost always been one of discretion. Her impact is tremendous, but her character never is. She is almost more of a guide than anything to Link, giving him scant direction once in a while, but mostly working from the shadows of the game's focus.

This is, in fact, why I believe these games are called the Legend of Zelda. It is because of her actions, and not her presence, that makes the games what they are. This fact on its own would seem to destroy any hope of a Zelda relationship, as the scope of her role almost necessitates her lack of involvement with Link. Of course, this is just my opinion on the matter, but this is how I have always viewed the ZeLink relationship.

True but i still like to think that tetra breaks away from this

She definatley has the most character out of any zelda in the entire series

not too mention she's the only one i'd want to be with

The humble commoner thing is support for Malon and Illia ganon

and once again, Tetra and Link are the most compatible Zelink pair

Originally Posted by Shinespark

The problem with a ZeLink relationship in general is this key factor: Zelda rarely has an active involvement in the games. The purpose of Zelda is that she is somehow responsible for the state of affairs, or is deeply immersed in the events currently trying to undo said state of affairs. But her role has almost always been one of discretion. Her impact is tremendous, but her character never is. She is almost more of a guide than anything to Link, giving him scant direction once in a while, but mostly working from the shadows of the game's focus.

This is, in fact, why I believe these games are called the Legend of Zelda. It is because of her actions, and not her presence, that makes the games what they are. This fact on its own would seem to destroy any hope of a Zelda relationship, as the scope of her role almost necessitates her lack of involvement with Link. Of course, this is just my opinion on the matter, but this is how I have always viewed the ZeLink relationship.

That's an interpretation, not a fact. From A Link to the Past to The Wind Waker (excepting Majora's Mask), Zelda's role and presence in the story was getting increasingly bigger, and her character more rounded (thanks to her alter-egos mainly). Bit by tiny bit, but steadily. Tetra's role in The Wind Waker by itself would seem to contradict your take on the matter. Then they back peddled and Ilia-manced. Interactions with Midna alone saved that game's script from total ruin, but again, that came completely at Zelda's expense. Ironically, her first of three "big" appearances in Twilight Princess was to reveal information concerning Zant that Midna could have.

Zelda and Link don't have to romance. Indeed, ideally any feelings between them would be ill-defined. But her presence and role shouldn't feel weak, contrived, or unnecessary, which is what reduced roles for her and girlfriends for Link would ultimately do.

Originally Posted by Retribution

That's an interpretation, not a fact. From A Link to the Past to The Wind Waker (excepting Majora's Mask), Zelda's role and presence in the story was getting increasingly bigger, and her character more rounded (thanks to her alter-egos mainly). Bit by tiny bit, but steadily. Tetra's role in The Wind Waker by itself would seem to contradict your take on the matter. Then they back peddled and Ilia-manced. Interactions with Midna alone saved that game's script from total ruin.

I will readily concede that her presence in WW through Tetra was much stronger and more developed.

ALttP and OoT, not so much, me thinks. I mean, sure there was the whole Sheik thing, but all she ever did was teach you songs and occasionally give you direction. There still wasn't a whole lot of development, and certainly none of it was romantic. As I said earlier though, and as you pointed out as well, this is nothing but my opinion.

Well my opinion stands that if Link is to be destined for Zelda, something needs to be done to change his in game personality where he doesn't seem to be so WAAAAY out of Zelda's league as he seems to be when it comes to OOT & TP Link IMO.

Originally Posted by Shinespark

I will readily concede that her presence in WW through Tetra was much stronger and more developed.

ALttP and OoT, not so much, me thinks. I mean, sure there was the whole Sheik thing, but all she ever did was teach you songs and occasionally give you direction. There still wasn't a whole lot of development, and certainly none of it was romantic. As I said earlier though, and as you pointed out as well, this is nothing but my opinion.

Sheik in the Ice Cavern: Young love will become deep affection, listen now to the serenade of water and take time to refelct on yourself.

Impa chamber of sages: go to her link!

These seem like romantic implications

I don't know...for me if Zeldas is in the next game she better flee from something evil and become a major character in the story with Link by her side...or she should just die. Because seeing her played out the way she was in TP was ridiculous, and plain sad. I'm sorry Zelda, but I hate how people think she should play the same crap role she did in TP. Her speech in OoT seemed way more intimate than any other Zelda.

I waited for seven years...

And...now you are back.

Thank you...
Link...
Good-bye....

Please forgive me...

This song reminds me of us.

And she cried everytime Link was hurt...or jumped of the cliff...on mistake. >_> She was the only Zelda, I felt really cared for Link more than any other. TWW Zelda, TP Zelda just watched as Link got butchered by evil. Heck sometimes they contributed to Link's pain.

For me I think Zelda could easily share the same role as Marin or even Midna. She can still cause heck to freeze over while tagging along with Link for every few dungeons. Zelda doesn't have a set personality. Sometimes she's a complete ditz (TMC) or she can be a big meanie (TWW) or she could be a complete emo like she was in the beginning of TP. Either way she's flexible...saying how she's not the same person every spankin' time.

Originally Posted by Shinespark

I will readily concede that her presence in WW through Tetra was much stronger and more developed.

ALttP and OoT, not so much, me thinks. I mean, sure there was the whole Sheik thing, but all she ever did was teach you songs and occasionally give you direction. There still wasn't a whole lot of development, and certainly none of it was romantic. As I said earlier though, and as you pointed out as well, this is nothing but my opinion.

Like I said, bit by tiny bit. Comparing A Link to the Past to Zelda Classic or Adventures of Link, Zelda had a much bigger role; you got to see and lead her places before the end of the game, could talk to her via walls in some dungeons, could go visit her in Sanctuary early on, and had to chase after her multiple times instead of just seeing her once after defeating the final boss. Still small, overall, but a large step from the old Nintendo games. Ocarina of Time took this one step further with Sheik, whose active involvement was inhibited partially by the mechanical limitations of the N64. Then there was Tetra, a culmination of what had been developing over the last couple games (with the understandable exceptions of Majora's Mask and the handhelds). Then there was Ilia.

TWW Zelda, TP Zelda just watched as Link got butchered by evil. Heck sometimes they contributed to Link's pain.

I don't think that is a fair characterization of Tetra, who both gave a heartfelt apology for any hardship she caused Link and fought at his side on several occasions (including once in real-time, at the end). Making her rough around the edges was an ambitious attempt at improving her character; not the ideal method but not bad and certainly better than the bland examples of past games.

Originally Posted by Oni Dark Link

Sheik in the Ice Cavern: Young love will become deep affection, listen now to the serenade of water and take time to refelct on yourself.

I always thought Shiek was talking about Ruto's feelings for Link, NOT Link's feelings for Zelda. That's kind of selfish and obnoxious of Shiek/Zelda to assume that Link is madly in love with her when he only met her as just a child.

Originally Posted by Ganonslayer2000

I always thought Shiek was talking about Ruto's feelings for Link, NOT Link's feelings for Zelda. That's kind of selfish and obnoxious of Shiek/Zelda to assume that Link is madly in love with her when he only met her as just a child.

Lol. That's funny and all. But Sheik said the words she said to reflect upon Link in general. Just like when Sheik told him how Time is cruel when Link couldn't find Saria and when Sheik told him about the bond of friendship when Link was looking for Darunia. I always felt Sheik's words were moving and closely directed towards Link, the player.

Originally Posted by Ganonslayer2000

I always thought Shiek was talking about Ruto's feelings for Link, NOT Link's feelings for Zelda. That's kind of selfish and obnoxious of Shiek/Zelda to assume that Link is madly in love with her when he only met her as just a child.

Might it have been the other way around? Or just a comment on love in general.

Originally Posted by Zeldablue777

Lol. That's funny and all. But Sheik said the words she said to reflect upon Link in general. Just like when Sheik told him how Time is cruel when Link couldn't find Saria and when Sheik told him about the bond of friendship when Link was looking for Darunia. I always felt Sheik's words were moving and closely directed towards Link, the player.

Even if it was directed at Link, there's no way of knowing if Sheik was referring to any one person in Link's life. Or if she was even talking about romantic love. She very well could have simply been referring to the seeds of friendship that Link sowed as a child, that would have grown into deep brotherhoods had he not been sealed away for seven years. That's how I always interpreted Sheik's comment in the Ice Cavern anyways.

Well since its generally accepted that each temple song had to do with that particular sage one can only assume that the romantic quote with the Serenade of Water had to do more with Link's relationship with Ruto and not Zelda