Zelda Wii and a 'broader audience'.

I see the Zelda audience as being broad anyway, despite what "hardcore" gamers may claim.

Selling out to casuals is by no means similar; it simply removes challenge and innovation. Miyamoto knows this.

Originally Posted by Ganon the King

I thought TP did extremely well with puzzles. But enemy difficulty is way watered down.

Agreed.

I think that with the "Demo Play" feature debuting in New Super Mario Bros. Wii it will allow for the game to be a bit harder that TP and WW or maybe even on par with OOT or MM (I wish), while still including and attracting the "casuals" Like lets say you get to a pretty tough puzzle, pretty much most people here will work at it until its completed, then move on, while Mrs. Casual might get to it, try a bit, and then select the Demo Play so it does it for her, she moves on. You do your thing, others will do theirs.

Also, with his comments about giving players each their own individual experience, maybe be able to take on some dungeons in any order, which I could see Casuals liking. Another thing I was thinking about his was maybe certain character interactions will yield certain reactions from them later on. Let's say if it was like this in OOT, and in Jabu Jabu you liked to through Ruto around, really didn't focus too much on her, etc., later when you meet her she might be a little colder towards you, even as a sage.

Just my ideas on how the series could be more casual while not being defiled.

Oh yeah, one thing that would make it really casual friendly is air another commercial with someone like Beyonce playing it. They'd eat that up!

BTW the demo play doesn't progress u in the game. It just shows how to progress.

Ikana General, please troll on another thread.

TP was the most difficult Zelda title, not cartoonish, and the darkest. It was also, in my opinion, the best. As I've said before, please troll somewhere else.

Originally Posted by Valhelm

Ikana General, please troll on another thread.

TP was the most difficult Zelda title, not cartoonish, and the darkest. It was also, in my opinion, the best. As I've said before, please troll somewhere else.

How am I "trolling"?, and how is TP dark, difficult, or not cartoonish?

Lol, I actually had a harder time with TP than any other 3D Zelda. TP had points where the game punished you really bad for making mistakes, in the first half of the game. (Seriously, 2 hearts lost for falling in lava? I only have 4 to begin with. Dx)

Originally Posted by IkanaGeneral197

How am I "trolling"?, and how is TP dark, difficult, or not cartoonish?

How is TP cartoonish?

Originally Posted by Valhelm

TP was the most difficult Zelda title...

Not this. Not at all. TP was probably the easiest Zelda game to date. Could you honestly call ArmoGhoma difficult?

Originally Posted by Shadow9521

How is TP cartoonish?

Remember Beth? Or the Doctor? Or Mayor Bo?
Or the Postman? Or Barnes? Or Iza?

Most of the character design in TP was cartoonish with enough reality swirled in that they didn't seem terribly out of place. I really liked the character design, but I thought I'd point it out. ;D

Originally Posted by Vynrah

Remember Beth? Or the Doctor? Or Mayor Bo?
Or the Postman? Or Barnes? Or Iza?

Most of the character design in TP was cartoonish with enough reality swirled in that they didn't seem terribly out of place. I really liked the character design, but I thought I'd point it out. ;D

Then tell me, what zelda game wasn't cartoonish and why they shouldn't be

Not sure if this has been said yet, but a very recent quote from Miyamoto says that the game will not be radically different. Let me find it so I don't have to post a second time when someone asks for 'source.'

Originally Posted by Nintendo Power via Kotaku

So Nintendo is making a new Zelda. Exciting! And with the new Wii MotionPlus, the possibilities are endless.

Since the last console Zelda, Twilight Princess, was originally developed for the GameCube and ultimately released on the Wii. The upcoming Zelda would be developed for the console from the ground-up.

Guess that means we'd be getting a brand new Zelda experience? Well...

"I don't think it's going to be that radically different," Shigeru Miyamoto told Nintendo Power.

Ah, crud.

Fingers crossed Miyamoto is simply being humble and lower expectations so Zelda hype doesn't spin out of control. Then again, maybe he's just being honest.

Originally Posted by xJonahx

Then tell me, what zelda game wasn't cartoonish and why they shouldn't be

Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask. Why shouldn't they be cartoonish? Zelda's fans are growing up, and the games are growing down. It's about time the fans had another mature title. Personally, I'm sick of this "accsesible" crap.

Yes, most fans are "growing up" (or just getting older) but if they don't like it, they can surely find another "mature" series out there. Why should the franchise "grow up" or change because some fans decide that they want to move on? There are plenty of series out there with adult content, whatever that means.

I think Zelda should stay the way it is when it comes to general style, presentation and accessibility. EVERYONE has been able to explore and enjoy Zelda since the first game and it has continued in that vein until today. Sure, it may be a little too accessible nowadays (difficulty) but this is a general problem with games of the 3D generations.

Originally Posted by IkanaGeneral197

Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask.

... Were just as cartoonish as Twilight Princess.

Originally Posted by xJonahx

Then tell me, what zelda game wasn't cartoonish and why they shouldn't be

Note how I mentioned: "I really liked the character design, but I thought I'd point it out. ;D"

Like I said, I liked the design of the characters in TP, I thought it was a great balance of cartoon (to make them all more unique and distinct) and realistic (to make them all fit in the more realistic world) styles. I just didn't want you to carry on thinking that they weren't at all a bit cartoonish, because they certainly are.

Originally Posted by Stuit

... Were just as cartoonish as Twilight Princess.

Yes, they still were a tad cartoonish, but I don't think the graphical limitations helped. TP still has both OoT and MM beaten in cartoony level if you ask me. And that's okay!

I personally do not need super-realistic people with no character traversing my Zelda game. There are plenty of games out there with very realistic, very boring, very tame character design. Everyone blends together, and that's no fun in Zelda.

Originally Posted by Senap

I think Zelda should stay the way it is when it comes to general style, presentation and accessibility. EVERYONE has been able to explore and enjoy Zelda since the first game and it has continued in that vein until today. Sure, it may be a little too accessible nowadays (difficulty) but this is a general problem with games of the 3D generations.

Well...I found it quite a bit harder to explore in TP. Every time I wanted to explore, they really only allowed me to continue on to the next area...and I hated that. I understand wanting to give direction and keep you focused, but I know what I'm supposed to be doing. I want to do otherwise. ;P

And if anything, they should give you some kind of choice of difficulty. Then newcomers could get into without being destroyed and veteran players wouldn't have to fall asleep whilst playing.

Fine, I'll leave you TP fanboys alone. You win this one.

Thank you. Now that he's gone, we can get back on topic. Do you think that it will be made to appeal to girls?

If you guys want to enjoy empty, watered-down games, go ahead. It's your loss, not mine.

Originally Posted by IkanaGeneral197

Personally, I'm sick of this "accsesible" crap.

Congratulations, you have no idea what makes a good game. I guess you're content with your games being the same god damn thing over and over while the videogame industry is left to rot due to people like you who are afraid of innovation and any improvements that you may dislike.

Please never voice an opinion on a videogame again.

Originally Posted by JSnake

Congratulations, you have no idea what makes a good game. I guess you're content with your games being the same god damn thing over and over while the videogame industry is left to rot due to people like you who are afraid of innovation and any improvements that you may dislike.

Please never voice an opinion on a videogame again.

Haha. It's quite the opposite, actually. This childish bull**** has become the norm, so now it's time for Nintendo to innovate by making a mature game for a change.

I don't know about you, but I like games that have some substance, rather than watered-down and simplified child fodder. Along with the childish art styles, comes gameplay dumbed down for children. Are you eight years old? I doubt it.