Zelda Wii and a 'broader audience'.

Twilight Princess was pretty accessible to begin with. My first guess would be "accessible" means "more motion controls", but we knew this was bound to happen seeing as Twilight Princess was more of a port.

Originally Posted by Zeldoom

Again you people and this core and casual BS. Seriously give it up.

Miyamoto obviously meant that this new Zelda is gonna be very different and aiming it in a direction the series has never seen. If it means its more "core" than oh well. I doubt its aiming at being more "casual".

The Wii itself was aimed for everyone, whether it be "core" or "casual". Hence the name Wii!
*sigh*

If that's the case, the next Zelda will be a watered-down, overly easy game. Nintendo may say they're going for "everyone", but they've left out the fans who have been playing Zelda for years. Besides, how's a casual gamer supposed to get more skilled, if victory is handed over on a silver platter for them? The first generation of gamers were noobs at first, but they managed to get by.

Originally Posted by IkanaGeneral197

If that's the case, the next Zelda will be a watered-down, overly easy game. Nintendo may say they're going for "everyone", but they've left out the fans who have been playing Zelda for years. Besides, how's a casual gamer supposed to get more skilled, if victory is handed over on a silver platter for them? The first generation of gamers were noobs at first, but they managed to get by.

Easy =/= accessible (a true "Casual Game")

Frustratingly difficult =/= fun

Super Mario Galaxy = A casual game (There are no typos here)

Make the next zelda a little more challenging then I will be happy.

Originally Posted by IkanaGeneral197

If that's the case, the next Zelda will be a watered-down, overly easy game. Nintendo may say they're going for "everyone", but they've left out the fans who have been playing Zelda for years. Besides, how's a casual gamer supposed to get more skilled, if victory is handed over on a silver platter for them? The first generation of gamers were noobs at first, but they managed to get by.

where are you getting this from

and besides difficulty, how have any recent games let you down

Originally Posted by Oni Dark Link

where are you getting this from

and besides difficulty, how have any recent games let you down

For one thing, they lack substance. TP just felt empty, as if half the game is missing. Aside from that, the family-friendly approach is bull****. No more compelling dungeons or intimidating enemies, I guess...

Originally Posted by IkanaGeneral197

For one thing, they lack substance. TP just felt empty, as if half the game is missing. Aside from that, the family-friendly approach is bull****. No more compelling dungeons or intimidating enemies, I guess...

I've been playing TP again for the last week and enjoy it more than I remember enjoying it last time. Go figure.

But the enemies and especially the bosses are far too easy. Hardly a challenge at all, I had that complaint the first time I played through the game and it still annoys me. Hopefully that problem will be remedied with the next installment or we'll at least be given a difficulty setting.

TP was my favorite game. Why do you hate it so much, IkanaGeneral?
It was also the hardest, in my opinon. It took me two days to do the ice puzzle, I could never finish the Great Fairy's Dungeon, and I needed a walkthrough for the the giant statue part, where you enter the Temple of Time. Also, I loved the fact that it wasn't just dungeon, dungeon, dungeon, cutscene, dungeon, dungeon, dungeon, dungeon, Ganon, like in OoT. There were minigames and sidequests between levels. There were Sniper missions. Phreaking sniper parts!

Originally Posted by Valhelm

TP was my favorite game. Why do you hate it so much, IkanaGeneral?
It was also the hardest, in my opinon. It took me two days to do the ice puzzle, I could never finish the Great Fairy's Dungeon, and I needed a walkthrough for the the giant statue part, where you enter the Temple of Time. Also, I loved the fact that it wasn't just dungeon, dungeon, dungeon, cutscene, dungeon, dungeon, dungeon, dungeon, Ganon, like in OoT. There were minigames and sidequests between levels. There were Sniper missions. Phreaking sniper parts!

I wouldn't say it's my faavorite game

But it is number three

That's right their were a lot of puzzles that were tricky

And if there are suddenly two player characters in the next game then i hope they take the FSA approach and have swarms of enemies

I thought TP did extremely well with puzzles. But enemy difficulty is way watered down. If Nintendo think that making their Zelda games easier is going to do something for them, then they should think again. Regardless how good they make this game, it probably wont sell more than 6 million copies. Also, they have done so well in sales, selling so many consoles and have such a strong casual game lineup they don't need to make this game accessible by making it easier. I'm sure there are ways of making the game more accessible without making it easier, as in more innovative content and gameplay etc.

Originally Posted by Ganon the King

I thought TP did extremely well with puzzles. But enemy difficulty is way watered down. If Nintendo think that making their Zelda games easier is going to do something for them, then they should think again. Regardless how good they make this game, it probably wont sell more than 6 million copies. Also, they have done so well in sales, selling so many consoles and have such a strong casual game lineup they don't need to make this game accessible by making it easier. I'm sure there are ways of making the game more accessible without making it easier, as in more innovative content and gameplay etc.

The reason enemies are easier to beat is because it's easier to dodge in 3D space

But having more enemies on screen would solve this problem.

I actually faced five darknuts in TP and used two fairies

Although i can't figure out how to get back to that place

Originally Posted by Valhelm

TP was my favorite game. Why do you hate it so much, IkanaGeneral?
It was also the hardest, in my opinon. It took me two days to do the ice puzzle, I could never finish the Great Fairy's Dungeon, and I needed a walkthrough for the the giant statue part, where you enter the Temple of Time. Also, I loved the fact that it wasn't just dungeon, dungeon, dungeon, cutscene, dungeon, dungeon, dungeon, dungeon, Ganon, like in OoT. There were minigames and sidequests between levels. There were Sniper missions. Phreaking sniper parts!

I don't hate it, but the game could have been so much better. For one thing, the art style was cartoonish, the overworld was empty, the enemies were far too easy, it used an obscene amount of remixed tracks, and all the beta goodness they cut out of it all took from the end result. Oh, and Ganny was in it . I feel they need to give Ganny a break, as we've seen him in every 3D title, save for Majora's Mask.

But mostly what I miss is the charm that the older games have, which TP lacks. By making it more "accesible", they've removed that subtle darkness that made Zelda great, especially MM. Even TWW is darker. Everything in TP is just rainbows and butterflies.

I don't think they are making it easier on purpose. It's more like they have kept the enemy difficulty that Zelda has always had but have improved Link's moves or the arsenal so much that the enemy difficulty has been lagging behind. 3D space, as was mentioned above, has something to do with it as well.

But of course, some things are questionable; like spawning hearts in every single bush, lots of bottles (6 bottles! seriously?!), lots of fairies, cheap potions (free potions in TP) and potions that give you infinite strength for some time. They need to balance this out by either making enemies harder, having more enemies OR removing a lot of the powerups.

Puzzle difficulty is OK IMHO, it's harder to make better puzzles without making them overly cryptic á la Da Vinci Code.

As for the whole broader audience thing.. YES. Of course they are trying to make the game as accessible as possible, they always do! Does this mean that we'll get a watered down experience? Absolutely not. Every Zelda to date has been easy to pick up and play and there's nothing complicated about it (apart from the puzzles ). The controls are so easy and intuitive that any idiot can play it. Like the AVGN said: What's the most important aspect of any game? Well, to be able to ******* play it!.

I think the next Zelda should start of really really easy. It would be extremely welcoming to any new player...but then the game gets progressively harder...harder. Just to the point of extremely hardcore hard! But it wouldn't matter that it was really hard at the end because every player would grow and experience the rising difficulty as it happens. That's how it was for me in ALttP. The game got ridiculous towards the end, but I had grown to get used to it.

I hate to admit this but I died 14 times in the beginning of Twilight Princess and never died again after the 3rd level. You have to realize though, my game overs were from the burning bridge above Lake Hylia. xD And I simply had no idea that it was possible to jump off the bridge. That said, I would perfer my games to grow harder as I get better. TP starts off hard and becomes extremely easy.

I expect the next Zelda to be much harder than TP/TWW. But I also expect them to incorporate the "Demo Play" thing into the game, so that people who need help will recieve it.

I don't hate it, but the game could have been so much better. For one thing, the art style was cartoonish, the overworld was empty, the enemies were far too easy, it used an obscene amount of remixed tracks,

Lol...for a second I totally thought you were talking about The Wind Waker. . . Oh well.

Originally Posted by IkanaGeneral197

By making it more "accesible", they've removed that subtle darkness that made Zelda great, especially MM. Even TWW is darker. Everything in TP is just rainbows and butterflies.

You're kidding, right?



That's darker than this?



TP was by far the most hardcore Zelda. It was just as dark as TWW and much, much darker than OoT. The only one equal to its darkness is MM.

Those are beta screenshots

Originally Posted by Valhelm

TP was by far the most hardcore Zelda. It was just as dark as TWW and much, much darker than OoT. The only one equal to its darkness is MM.

LOL Valhelm thinks hardcore = dark game.

TWW had a far more indepth story than TP. Heck, Ganondorf had emotion in that game.

Ganon doesn't need emotion, not having it makes him more evil

Originally Posted by Oni Dark Link

Ganon doesn't need emotion, not having it makes him more evil

Why was Ganondorf far more evil in TWW than in TP or OoT?