What do I want to return from previous Zelda games? Absolutely nothing.

The maximum for me would be Link and Zelda. Anything else can be thrown out the window.

Constantly I see threads asking "wut woud u liek 2 reetern from old zelduhs lolololol", these people obviously being too thick to realize that rehashing the same idea will only contribute to the stagnation of the series.

Zelda has stagnated. You cannot deny that. Majora's Mask was the last Zelda game that truly innovated the formula, while every game after has further stagnated the series, culminating in TP, the perfect example of a series that has become stagnant. TP brought no innovation to the series, only gimmicks, most of which had been done better in previous games anyway.

Examples:
Wolf Link = Transformation masks in MM
Twilight Realm = Dark World from A Link to the Past
Gale Boomerang = Boomerang re-skinned with a wind effect
etc.

Regardless, I'm sure we can all agree (Or rather, the intelligent among us can all agree) that Zelda badly needs change. It needs a game that did what MM did, truly innovating the Zelda formula while still feeling like a Zelda game.

I am in favour of stripping everything from previous games from the next game, retaining only the core elements of the series (Such as Link). The formula needs a huge revamp and change, like what MM did. I want new enemies, new items, new locations, new mechanics, and most importantly, new, innovative ideas.

Well, that's my rant. Discuss.

Personally I'd like if they stopped doing games around ****ty ideas and actually build up one. Right now it's just people shouting stupid ideas like "Train!!111", "Wolf!!111", "Boat!!11!11", "Hourglass!!11!11" and then building the game around that instead of building a story from the ground up like with OoT and MM.

I agree. The same thing over and over again gets boring.
Especially the save the princess routine.
Why can't it be someone else that needs saving for a change?

=\ I...disagree?

Really the only thing that bothers me is the repetition of stories and the level stucture that ALttP, OoT, TWW and TP all closely followed.

I can't stand it when Zelda games miss out on the classics. Going through Adventure of Link and realizing that Link doesn't have his classic Boomerang, Bow and arrow, bombs etc. That was something that is a staple in the series. I won't even bother to name all the people who freaked out over not having a Magic Bar in Twilight Princess, nor will I try to name all of them.

Just leave the items out of this argument, they are loved too much, at least by me. Could you imagine how freakin boring it would be to go through every dungeon with only a Sword and Shield, ugh...that's one of the main reasons I hate the first level of every Zelda game.

Either way...I'm sure Wii Zelda will address all of these problems. Saying how Miyamoto won't stop saying how the Zelda Team is looking at many new "innovative" plans. I want change...but I'm a little scared for what people are thinking change should be. I'm hearing they should drop everything in the series and just focus of core elements...to me that just sounds like a watered-down Zelda. Which is bad, very bad.

Originally Posted by Zeldablue777

=\ I...disagree?

Really the only thing that bothers me is the repetition of stories and the level stucture that ALttP, OoT, TWW and TP all closely followed.

I can't stand it when Zelda games miss out on the classics. Going through Adventure of Link and realizing that Link doesn't have his classic Boomerang, Bow and arrow, bombs etc. That was something that is a staple in the series. I won't even bother to name all the people who freaked out over not having a Magic Bar in Twilight Princess, nor will I try to name all of them.

Just leave the items out of this argument, they are loved too much, at least by me. Could you imagine how freakin boring it would be to go through every dungeon with only a Sword and Shield, ugh...that's one of the main reasons I hate the first level of every Zelda game.

I'm not saying you should only have a sword and shield, I'm saying you should have new items.

Let's reiterate that. New items.

Zelda badly needs new, innovative items, as many of the "staples" have become old and stale. I would not want them to return unless they were used in new and innovative ways. I don't care how much fantards love them, they are still stagnating the series.

Originally Posted by Silver

I'm not saying you should only have a sword and shield, I'm saying you should have new items.

Let's reiterate that. New items.

Zelda badly needs new, innovative items, as many of the "staples" have become old and stale. I would not want them to return unless they were used in new and innovative ways. I don't care how much fantards love them, they are still stagnating the series.

Both Twilight Princess and Phantom Hourglass used items in ways that no other Zelda game has used them. Iron Boots to walk on walls, ceilings. Double Clawshots to freakin' fly around like spiderman. PH's boomerang was pretty sweet.

You make it seem like Zelda never has new weapons. Every Zelda has at least 3 new weapons that aren't in any other Zelda. Spinner, Ball and chain, Deku leaves, Grapple hooks, Hover boots, deku nuts...etc. I'm sure you'll love ST saying how it has magical spinning wheels and whips.

Originally Posted by Zeldablue777

Both Twilight Princess and Phantom Hourglass used items in ways that no other Zelda game has used them. Iron Boots to walk on walls, ceilings. Double Clawshots to freakin' fly around like spiderman. PH's boomerang was pretty sweet.

It's a step in the right direction, sure, but still not enough.

You make it seem like Zelda never has new weapons. Every Zelda has at least 3 new weapons that aren't in any other Zelda. Spinner,

Severely underutilized.

Ball and chain,

Again, severely underutilized.

Deku leaves, Grapple hooks, Hover boots,

Good additions.

deku nuts...etc.

I think they had an item like that in ALTTP, though I'm not positive.

I'm sure you'll love ST saying how it has magical spinning wheels and whips.

Huh?

Originally Posted by Silver

The maximum for me would be Link and Zelda. Anything else can be thrown out the window.

Constantly I see threads asking "wut woud u liek 2 reetern from old zelduhs lolololol", these people obviously being too thick to realize that rehashing the same idea will only contribute to the stagnation of the series.

Zelda has stagnated. You cannot deny that. Majora's Mask was the last Zelda game that truly innovated the formula, while every game after has further stagnated the series, culminating in TP, the perfect example of a series that has become stagnant. TP brought no innovation to the series, only gimmicks, most of which had been done better in previous games anyway.

Examples:
Wolf Link = Transformation masks in MM
Twilight Realm = Dark World from A Link to the Past
Gale Boomerang = Boomerang re-skinned with a wind effect
etc.

Regardless, I'm sure we can all agree (Or rather, the intelligent among us can all agree) that Zelda badly needs change. It needs a game that did what MM did, truly innovating the Zelda formula while still feeling like a Zelda game.

I am in favour of stripping everything from previous games from the next game, retaining only the core elements of the series (Such as Link). The formula needs a huge revamp and change, like what MM did. I want new enemies, new items, new locations, new mechanics, and most importantly, new, innovative ideas.

Well, that's my rant. Discuss.

If you're gonna be that smug, good luck swaying anyone from the other side of the argument.

I don't think that anything from zelda in the past shouldn't return.
If you want to play a Zelda game that has the items that you like, you should just go and play the game that has it.

Originally Posted by HellsAngel

I don't think that anything from zelda in the past shouldn't return.
If you want to play a Zelda game that has the items that you like, you should just go and play the game that has it.

I want to use the Gale Boomerang, but TP sucks balls, so I don't want to play it.

I would be perfectly happy with a LoZ reboot.
The only things I care about returning are the gameplay (with several changes of course) and Link.
However I don't think this will happen because it would anger most fans, which is the root of the problem.

I would like to see Zelda drop it's old exterminator formula, and put the quest in a more lively branching simulation.
I would then like Mario Brothers to pick up the old Zelda formula to replace it's simple "level list" system.

Originally Posted by Milliontown

If you're gonna be that smug, good luck swaying anyone from the other side of the argument.

'Tis who I am.

Originally Posted by HellsAngel

I don't think that anything from zelda in the past shouldn't return.
If you want to play a Zelda game that has the items that you like, you should just go and play the game that has it.

Originally Posted by fratey

I want to use the Gale Boomerang, but TP sucks balls, so I don't want to play it.

Fratey pretty much summed it up there.

Originally Posted by Catch

I would be perfectly happy with a LoZ reboot.
The only things I care about returning are the gameplay (with several changes of course) and Link.
However I don't think this will happen because it would anger most fans, which is the root of the problem.

To quote Yahtzee:

Originally Posted by Yahtzee

Fans are clingy, complaining dip****s who will never, ever be grateful for any concession you make. The moment you shut out their shrill, tremulous voices, the happier you'll be for it.

You're right, Zelda is getting old, needs a better formula, the old 3 dungeons, plot twist, 5 dungeons, game end type formula needs some tweaks.

I understand that if too much is similar that it becomes a rehash, but there is no point in calling it a Zelda game if the only thing retained is the title.

I would say that I really want the series to stop piggy-backing on Ocarina of Time.

I've been thinking about this a lot lately and this is what I've come up with.

No more Ganon or Gannondorf or Shadow Ganon or anything like that. Retire him for a long while. It's getting almost comical, with his badass "I"M GONNA TAKE OVER HYRULE AND NO 1 CAN STOP ME." Then you kill him in like less than 5 minutes. May be he would've been good in Twilight Princess if they expanded on his character more. But it was the same ****. New villain with a new backstory. Or may be another villain previously used (Majora, Vaati, Veran, Nightmare, etc..) given more depth. May be even pairing up Vaati & Majora, although that could be too weird.

No Hyrule for next Wii Zelda. Hyrule has been explored, at least the Hyrule in TP/OOT has been explored. It' s basically the same map and races. Zoras, Gorons, Hylians, and Humans. And these races aren't even given more depth in Twilight Princess, they're basically watered-down versons of Oot's zoras, gorons, & hylians. Hell, the Hylians don't even talk. If Hyrule is in the new Zelda game, it should be like the Wind Waker Hyrule with the landscape totally changed. Personally I would just prefer a new land, may be in another dimension like Termina.

As for gameplay, Wolf Link was boring. Look at Okami's wolf, all the combos & weapons. I just wish TP's Wolf was similiar to that. Instead the wolf mostly was used to take the place of the Lens of Truth. I like MM's idea with mask transformation but there should be something new. May be switching between Link & his sidekick[s] would be kinda fun. In TP it would've been cool to play as Midna too and upgrade your weapons & armor throughout the game.

As for items, I don't know. I agree they need to be changed. But I'm not sure how to do it, Nintendo has plenty of time to brainstorm though, and they get payed for it.

This guy on ForumPlanet sums up my views on Twilight Princess by the way: http://forumplanet.gamespy.com/gener.../3215245/p1/?3

Originally Posted by fratey

instead of building a story from the ground up like with OoT and MM.

OOT was almost a compleate copy of Alttp's story, with only a few minor details changed. MMs was unique though.


Anyway, I think Zelda needs to get as far from its past as possible. Just keep Link, Zelda, the gameplay, and throw everything else away. Come up with new settings and story elements.

All Zelda really needs is innovative gameplay and stunning music, as well as graphics which push the system (a-la Super Mario Galaxy). If everything else is rehashed (a-la Super Mario Galaxy), it would still be a great game.

Prove me otherwise.

I also want Ganondorf to return. He's actually my favourite Zelda character.

Originally Posted by SheikahSage

OOT was almost a compleate copy of Alttp's story, with only a few minor details changed. MMs was unique though.

alttp backstory? seems like a great place to start.

Originally Posted by Double A

All Zelda really needs is innovative gameplay and stunning music, as well as graphics which push the system. If everything else is rehashed (a-la Super Mario Galaxy), it would still be a great game.

Prove me otherwise.

I also want Ganondorf to return. He's actually my favourite Zelda character.

Zelda has great music - what it needs is not midi.

Originally Posted by Silver

The maximum for me would be Link and Zelda. Anything else can be thrown out the window.

Constantly I see threads asking "wut woud u liek 2 reetern from old zelduhs lolololol", these people obviously being too thick to realize that rehashing the same idea will only contribute to the stagnation of the series.

Or...maybe some of the past ideas were really good and weren't fully realized? (the Spinner comes to mind).

Zelda has stagnated. You cannot deny that.

lol

Majora's Mask was the last Zelda game that truly innovated the formula, while every game after has further stagnated the series,

Four Swords Adventure would like to talk to you.

culminating in TP, the perfect example of a series that has become stagnant. TP brought no innovation to the series, only gimmicks, most of which had been done better in previous games anyway.

Funny enough, you are right; it WAS the fans who made Twilight Princess.

(Or rather, the intelligent among us can all agree)

LOL you're not going to win any arguments like this dwag.

Originally Posted by fratey

Personally I'd like if they stopped doing games around ****ty ideas and actually build up one. Right now it's just people shouting stupid ideas like "Train!!111", "Wolf!!111", "Boat!!11!11", "Hourglass!!11!11" and then building the game around that instead of building a story from the ground up like with OoT and MM.

XMFD Are you serious?

MM = Masks!!11!11
OoT = Linktothepast in 3d!!11!11

EVERY Zelda has been built around a "****ty idea," except perhaps the first Zelda, which was built around several ideas.