Who is still opposed to Voice Acting?

As time moves on the quality of graphics, gameplay and music goes up, if a game HAS voice acting it's quality should be up there as well to be a triple A game. in 2003, what looks like not-so-good graphics now was the best of the best...the quality for all things including VA were lower than they are now.

Galaxy didn't have as much story as the Zelda series does. Zelda's script is probably at least 20x larger than Galaxy's. So obviously VA doesn't matter in a game with minimal reading and major action. Zelda has always been half and half. Half fighting and action and half character interaction puzzle-solving and exploring. Therefore the lack of voice work in a heavily story based game is waaaay stronger than the lack of voice acting in a action based game.

Zelda is a very cinematic game, it has been since OoT. If it wanted to be more cinematic it would use voice acting...simply put. And of course, it would have subtitles. Course as I said in the beginning of this thread I would be happy if the game only had Link's partner with full voice acting so that the player could be less distracted by text. If I wanna hear what they say just press top C or whatever to hear them blab on while I continue walking and doing my business, it's way easier to multi-task with voice acting.

Zeldalblue, I completely agree, but just give up. They're never going to realize that voice acting is a good idea, and even if they do, you're never going to get a straight "yeah, it is a good idea". It's apparently such a waste of time that it should by all means be avoided, no matter what.

If they include it and don't have an option to turn it off? OH LORD, ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE FOR THE ZELDA FANBASE.

BAWWWWWWWW THIS SOUNDS DUMB BAWWWWWWWWWWWW.

Originally Posted by Zeldablue777

As time moves on the quality of graphics, gameplay and music goes up, if a game HAS voice acting it's quality should be up there as well to be a triple A game. in 2003, what looks like not-so-good graphics now was the best of the best...the quality for all things including VA were lower than they are now.

Did you just say that every game with VA should automatically be an AAA game? Oh wait, you're saying that every game with good VA should be a good game. But shouldn't every game be as good game? Are you saying that a game needs VA to be AAA?

Whether a game has VA or not is not a good way to judge it.

Originally Posted by Zeldablue777

Galaxy didn't have as much story as the Zelda series does. Zelda's script is probably at least 20x larger than Galaxy's. So obviously VA doesn't matter in a game with minimal reading and major action. Zelda has always been half and half. Half fighting and action and half character interaction puzzle-solving and exploring. Therefore the lack of voice work in a heavily story based game is waaaay stronger than the lack of voice acting in a action based game.

But when has Zelda ever relied on that story to survive? Whenever Zelda was seriously criticized, it was because its gameplay was lacking (Zelda II's dramatic departure from the original LoZ, WW's sailing, TP... in general).

Heck, you could even say that Galaxy has too little story or that Zelda has too much story.

Originally Posted by Zeldablue777

Zelda is a very cinematic game, it has been since OoT. If it wanted to be more cinematic it would use voice acting...simply put. And of course, it would have subtitles. Course as I said in the beginning of this thread I would be happy if the game only had Link's partner with full voice acting so that the player could be less distracted by text. If I wanna hear what they say just press top C or whatever to hear them blab on while I continue walking and doing my business, it's way easier to multi-task with voice acting.

No... Zelda is a princess...

Again, don't use personal preference as an argument, as I find it less distracting to glance at a text box (coz that's all I need).

Did you just say that every game with VA should automatically be an AAA game? Oh wait, you're saying that every game with good VA should be a good game. But shouldn't every game be as good game? Are you saying that a game needs VA to be AAA?

Whether a game has VA or not is not a good way to judge it.

No. No. No. You originally said sarcastically that people in 2003 sounded bad but they're voices suddenly got better. I was saying that the standards for making a Triple A title is higher now than ever for voice work. Meaning if a game has VA they need to use good VA, as well as gameplay, graphics etc. If I didn't think a game could be AAA without VA why would I say that Zelda is AAA? =\

Again, don't use personal preference as an argument, as I find it less distracting to glance at a text box (coz that's all I need).

WOAH! Your telling me not to talk about personal preference? Are you serious? Should I go back and quote everytime you've said that you perfer to read text and not hear sounds? Kay. "When I watch a DVD I turn the subtitles on." (My best friend can't stand that, she has subs turned off when she plays games and watches movies)

Obviously this whole debate is about preference, especially on your side. I've played more games without VA than I have with them, so it's not my preference. I've been against VA since 2006 but now I see that Zelda really needs it and it should've been introduced with Wind Waker. I don't see why they can't have a freakin' game that has voice acting. It's not like it's sooo horrible to see in the series. Wind Waker was a good step in the right direction with call commands and then FSA with more call commands with Tetra Trackers which had full voice work and then TP which brought us back down...back to OoT. =\

Originally Posted by Zeldablue777

WOAH! Your telling me not to talk about personal preference? Are you serious? Should I go back and quote everytime you've said that you perfer to read text and not hear sounds? Kay.

No, I'm just telling you not to use it as an argument.

I've only used it as an argument to counter people who have used their personal preferences as arguments.

Double A, I don't want to argue or anything since there's no point and we all like different things, but I just want to see what you say if we strip this right down to the basics:

Would you be fine if the next Zelda game had voice acting?

Originally Posted by GK: 5895/9999

Zeldalblue, I completely agree, but just give up. They're never going to realize that voice acting is a good idea, and even if they do, you're never going to get a straight "yeah, it is a good idea". It's apparently such a waste of time that it should by all means be avoided, no matter what.

If they include it and don't have an option to turn it off? OH LORD, ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE FOR THE ZELDA FANBASE.

BAWWWWWWWW THIS SOUNDS DUMB BAWWWWWWWWWWWW.

GKang, writing out huge BAWWWS in cruise control makes you look just as immature as the people you're saying are bawwing, hell, even more. Seriously, this is a debate, where conflicting opinions meet and chances are that the opposing side WON'T change their minds. Once the initial stuff is laid down on the table, that is basically when the highest chance of any change is.

i.e. they're not BAWWWing, they're presenting their opinions.

Please, stop using it in the future, it's annoying as all hell : )

That said, I do agree with that voice acting should be taken up, as I've said before. Have subtitles with it, and you'll already have near endless potentials for storytelling. That, and it sounds more...alive, somehow, not as dull.

But if I must honest, I don't really care that much, if they stuck to text I wouldn't really complain at all...

Originally Posted by GK: 5895/9999

Double A, I don't want to argue or anything since there's no point and we all like different things, but I just want to see what you say if we strip this right down to the basics:

Would you be fine if the next Zelda game had voice acting?

Screw the basics! Bring on the heavy debate!!!

But seriously, you're going to have to be more specific. If they added VA without an option to turn it off, then yeah, I'd get pissed off. I'd start BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWing.

At the very absolute super-duper ultramega end-all be-all candy-coated best, I wouldn't care about it, as long as the gameplay got far more improvement than the story.

Originally Posted by GK: 5895/9999

Zeldalblue, I completely agree, but just give up. They're never going to realize that voice acting is a good idea, and even if they do, you're never going to get a straight "yeah, it is a good idea". It's apparently such a waste of time that it should by all means be avoided, no matter what.

If they include it and don't have an option to turn it off? OH LORD, ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE FOR THE ZELDA FANBASE.

BAWWWWWWWW THIS SOUNDS DUMB BAWWWWWWWWWWWW.

Lol, yeah I realize as I argue the other dude's opinion is only going to grow stronger. But if their is voice acting in the next Zelda (or the next or the next or the next or the next or the...well Zelda should definitely consider Voice work in the next 20 years but anyways) I don't think people will "Bawww"...I think that Nintendo will do such a good job, that everyone will forget what they were fighting for. Really the Zelda team is pickier about VA than all fanboys mashed together considering all their non voiced games.

Originally Posted by GK: 5895/9999

Zeldalblue, I completely agree, but just give up. They're never going to realize that voice acting is a good idea, and even if they do, you're never going to get a straight "yeah, it is a good idea". It's apparently such a waste of time that it should by all means be avoided, no matter what.

If they include it and don't have an option to turn it off? OH LORD, ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE FOR THE ZELDA FANBASE.

BAWWWWWWWW THIS SOUNDS DUMB BAWWWWWWWWWWWW.

Ganon The King in disguise?

Why do you assume that people who don't like VA are stupid? All of a sudden you know what constitutes a good idea while I don't?

OMGZNOWAI THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO THINK DIFFERENTLY FROM GK! ARMAGEDDON!!!

Would you say this is horrible? I think it would've been cute to see TWW originally made with Voice work. Course I'd be totally against it saying how I used to hate Voice acting and Cel shaded graphics. But still.

Zelda needs voice acting to evolve. It would allow the story to become more immesive.

^ At first, it wasn't horrible, but that's probably just coz it was Japanese (that language has a kind of charm to me, can't explain) and I couldn't understand it, which would force me to read text (if there were english text).

After a while, it began to get annoying. It felt like a freaking game show.

Show me something with gameplay included so I can form a stronger opinion.

EDIT: Or just show me an actual cutscene.

Originally Posted by Hell Hawk

Zelda needs voice acting to evolve. It would allow the story to become more immesive.

Lol, close-minded.

Yes, because VA is all so neccessary to change a series.

Originally Posted by Double A

Screw the basics! Bring on the heavy debate!!!

But seriously, you're going to have to be more specific. If they added VA without an option to turn it off, then yeah, I'd get pissed off. I'd start BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWing.

At the very absolute super-duper ultramega end-all be-all candy-coated best, I wouldn't care about it, as long as the gameplay got far more improvement than the story.

Even if they improved the gameplay a great deal and they gave it a really great story, you'd still baww if it had voice acting that you couldn't turn off?

Originally Posted by Double A

Lol, close-minded.

Yes, because VA is all so neccessary to change a series.

I kind of think I understand why you're saying it's closed minded. Would you agree then that voice acting can help evolve the series, but it isn't by any means needed for the series to evolve?

Originally Posted by Double A

^ At first, it wasn't horrible, but that's probably just coz it was Japanese (that language has a kind of charm to me, can't explain) and I couldn't understand it, which would force me to read text (if there were english text).

After a while, it began to get annoying. It felt like a freaking game show.

Show me something with gameplay included so I can form a stronger opinion.

Lol, sorry. WAIT...I'll link you to the Japanese website. Just click on Random stuff it'll show you a video.

I was really excited for Tetra Trackers...I remember when it was suppose to come to us. There was even a English demo of it at E3.

The only cutscene in the game doesn't have VA...

I just watched that Mario Sunshine thing for the first time... dear god... Hahahaha! I couldn't help but laugh and wanna puke! Yeah if THAT happened to Zelda I would be forced to destroy the disc... not that I think that would happen, but who saw it happening to poor Bowser? And voice acting has been around forever, even before we had video game consoles to support it. Did everyone forget about cartoons? Its the same thing. Ive come to like the idea of only having VA in cutscenes, crossing my fingers that they do it perfectly and don't replicate Mario Sunshine.... in any way. Oh, and I read up there somewhere that someone said text can't show sarcasm and that is a ridiculous statement. Every 3d Zelda game has used LOADS of sarcasm without relying on VA one bit. And have you not ever come across sarcasm in a book? And if it ever comes down to orchestrated amazing music or VA, I am %100 for orchestrated music. There are tons of things I have over VA priority-wise. Whether each side will admit it at all, VA is a preference thing, and I don't know why that is even being used as an argument in this thread. Of course its freaking preference. Some people prefer VA, some prefer to read. So what?

Lol, believe it or not some fans are against Orchestrated music too, which is a shame. (main arguement being that MIDI can be used it ways the an orchestra can't, easy transitions in songs...which is something the Zelda series loves to do) But I think upgrading music is a bit more accepted.

And sarcasm can be easily lost through words. If in a book it doesn't say "he sarcastically said" then, pssh. Harder to detect sarcasm without tone, unless there's a big indicator like, say...obviousness.

If I had to pick between orchestra and voice acting I'd go with Orchestra for sure...but why settle for that when we could just have both. I think it would be nice for Zelda to have everything implemented into the series.

Lol, close-minded.

Yes, because VA is all so neccessary to change a series.

That's not close-minded. evolve means To undergo gradual change; develop And he said it would allow the series to evolve be making the story more immersive...To be immersed means To engage wholly or deeply; absorb so, it's not that close-minded. Watching a movie with people showing emotions, crying or being angry is easier to be engaged in when compared to watching the same movie muted...Wouldn't you say?

Originally Posted by Double A

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Lol, close-minded.

You are saying we shouldn't do something simply because it hasn't been done in previous games and I'm being close minded?

Yes, because VA is all so neccessary to change a series.

I suppose we never needed to make zelda in 3D either. Adding VA is simply the next logical step in technological progression.

Originally Posted by Hell Hawk

You are saying we shouldn't do something simply because it hasn't been done in previous games and I'm being close minded?


I suppose we never needed to make zelda in 3D either. Adding VA is simply the next logical step in technological progression.

Now now, boy.. No room for Earth logic in this here thread.

Originally Posted by Enuf3

Now now, boy.. No room for Earth logic in this here thread.

Hardly anyone in the forum knows logic. I took a year-long logic course, and I don't bother incorporating my logic knowledge down here. This is a very informal site to communicate, and it's fine.