TWW ending: Can Ganon return?

After seeing that cut-scene in TP where Ganondorf pretty much revived himself from the Sage's Sword in his chest because the ToP was still with him. As long as he contains the ToP, he is still alive.

That's my assumption

At the end of WW he no longer has the Triforce of Power.

Originally Posted by SixaxiS

I agree...that makes no sense whatsoever

I think it makes sense. Maybe all Link did was kill that form of Ganon, IE he will never ever be able to manifest himself as that form/body as Ganondorf ever again. He ended up having to create a new body for himself, which was Ganon. Link pretty much destroyed his original body, and so Ganon would never again be able to appear in his Gerudo form ever again.

Does that make sense?

Physical injuries don't really count. If anyone remembers, Ganondorf has been destroyed in every game he has appeared in excpet OoT. Ganondorf losing his Triforce peice at the end in WW is the real kicker here. Without that, he's mortal, and if he's mortal, has a sword in his head, is a rock, and is on the bottom of an ocean, he's pretty much gone.

Originally Posted by Mandrag

He should, by that logic, be brain-damaged from Ocarina of Time.
Or does it not count when he's in pig-form?

It doesn't count. After being defeated in his Ganon form, you see a scene of Ganondorf's dialogue swearing of his return while drifting away to being sealed.

Let me quote from Final Fantasy 4.

Originally Posted by Zemus

Even if my body dies... My soul is immortal.

Even when Ganondorf dies, he will not begone forever, as long his soul is tainted in darkness. He will always reborn again as the King of Evil until someone purifies his soul for good.

This has probably been said, but in LoZ, Ganny got shot with a silver arrow and blew up into a pile of gore. If he can survive that, I think he can survive a sword to the head.

hes dead. for sure. not even Ganondorf survives that. and if Ganondorf dies, so does Ganon. they are the same "person". remember in OoT how Link put nthe sword in Ganons fore head and took it out? well since that, Ganon hasn't looked Like Ganon any more. he's a boar in TP and a freakin puppet in TWW. think about that. that slash wounded his Ganon form.

I don't think he's dead.

He turned to stone, that doesn't seem like a "natural" Ganondorf death to me. In TP he seemed actually dead. Sure the triforce left him, but since he turned into stone, he could still be alive.... I think so anyway.

Look at PH, Tetra didn't have the triforce, was turned into stone, but Link brought her back, and she wasn't neccessarily dead.

Originally Posted by Mr_Zora_Decu

I don't think he's dead. He turned to stone, that doesn't seem like a "natural" Ganondorf death to me.

Once again, Aonuma confirmed in an interview that Ganondorf died in the ending of TWW.

Also, not only did Ganondorf lack the Triforce of Power, but the whole point of TWW was letting go of the past and letting old things fade away. Ganondorf was an embodiment of the past, not to mention that Daphnes wished on the Triforce for Ganondorf to die. On top of that, because the old world was utterly destroyed and forgotten, Ganondorf arguably would have no reason to return from the grave. Finally, judging from his speech about the wind and his final words, Ganondorf either found peace in his death or accepted that he was to die along with everything else from the past.

In short, he apparently can't return after TWW, nor would he seemingly want to.

Ganon can always be resurrected, as highlighted in AoL and OS/OA.

All he needs is the correct sacrifice and/or host and a few other requirements, and he can return good as new.

One thing does confuse me, however. How does Ganon die in LoZ when he has the triforce of Power? I know the story wasn't developed then, but how would it be explained now that the story has been developed? Perhaps he didn't know how to use it, or he wasn't carrying it during his time of battle.....


Or perhaps the silver arrows are too deadly for him even with the power of the triforce.... yeah, that's probably it.

Originally Posted by astinktothepast

Ganon can always be resurrected, as highlighted in AoL and OS/OA.

All he needs is the correct sacrifice and/or host and a few other requirements, and he can return good as new.

Not really. AoL and OoX take place before aLttP/TWW. Ganondorf is therefore still in possesion of his Triforce of Power, so he isn't really dead. Ressurection in this case is likely just recreating his mortal coils (as TP shined some light on).

One thing does confuse me, however. How does Ganon die in LoZ when he has the triforce of Power? I know the story wasn't developed then, but how would it be explained now that the story has been developed? Perhaps he didn't know how to use it, or he wasn't carrying it during his time of battle.....


Or perhaps the silver arrows are too deadly for him even with the power of the triforce.... yeah, that's probably it.

As you said, the story wasn't developed. There were only two triforce peices at the time. Zelda 1 is not really relevant in any way, because any story would have to be retrofitted. Silver arrows haven't even shown themselfs sine aLttP.

I'm pretty sure its impossible for him to come back. The master sword can only be pulled by the hero of time. So its not possible for him to come back. Also, I'm not one that believes that LoZ and all the other 2D titles come after WW(Hyrules flooded! Theres no way for it to happen. WW is the latest time wise).

Originally Posted by Aeralfos

The master sword can only be pulled by the hero of time.

No.

Yes he can see he isn't really dead because
he's a videogame character! They can let him return riding on a dinosaur with lasers!

Originally Posted by Darth Alec

Not really. AoL and OoX take place before aLttP/TWW. Ganondorf is therefore still in possesion of his Triforce of Power, so he isn't really dead. Ressurection in this case is likely just recreating his mortal coils (as TP shined some light on).

As you said, the story wasn't developed. There were only two triforce peices at the time. Zelda 1 is not really relevant in any way, because any story would have to be retrofitted.

Are you saying that Ganon can't be resurrected because never died?

Why is it that other creatures, such as Stallord and Volvagia can be resurrected, but not Ganon? I'm not saying he self-resurrected through his own power(or the ToP), I was just saying that he could theoretically be brought back to life, even if he never attains the same level of power he had before.

Personally, I don't think Nintendo should completely kill him off, but if they want to make room for a new villain, then they should consider making Ganon a recurring enemy, like Gohma, or Ridley in the metroid series... or maybe a second-hand man, like Zant or Agahnim.

I like Ganondorf and I like the fact that Nintendo keeps him fresh by constantly reinventing him (for example, his various boar forms)... Although it's the same guy, each encounter and battle is different (albeit some are easier than others)

ganon got stabbed in the brain, he is dead

Last time I check, an object that pierces the brain can cause death. He's not coming back, people. Add to the fact that he's underwater and water could had gotten to his lungs....yeah.

Originally Posted by Snow_Storm

Last time I check, an object that pierces the brain can cause death. He's not coming back, people. Add to the fact that he's underwater and water could had gotten to his lungs....yeah.

Last time I checked, people who get stabbed in the brains don't turn to stone.

BUT, the more I think about it, the more ridiculous it would be if Ganon did return in the new post-Hyrule world. He would be so out of place, and it would kinda be like, "Dude, let it go. Give it up. It's over."

You're right though, Ganon is a thing of the past... At least in the Adult Timeline

But, I would like to see him return in the Child Timeline, where the flood never happened.

hurghruhgruhgr, similar threads...

Yeah, Ganondorf died in the ending of WW, as well as in the ending of TP. Any Ganondorf that arises after that (note that all of the other games in which he's in (aside from OoT, obviously) take place after either one of those, depending on whether you believe the flood to recide or not) is either him resurrected somehow (very possible, as shown by Adventure of Link and the Oracle games) or just an entirely different Ganondorf.

Shame how they didn't have the foresight to plan this back when they made the first three games, more back stories would really help