Nintendo Damned Whatever they do

Whatever the next Zelda game is like a significant portion of Zelda fans will hate it. People hated how TWW changed everything, on the other side of the coin people hated TP because it didn't change much. People will hate the next Zelda game because *insert reason here*. There's absolutely no chance of Nintendo making a game that the fans will love.

Half of the posts on this fan forum are negative. Maybe with the next Zelda game Nintendo should package a block cheddar with it. Therefore they will have some cheese to go with their inevitable whine.

Anyone agree?

Originally Posted by Tingle :)

Whatever the next Zelda game is like a significant portion of Zelda fans will hate it. People hated how TWW changed everything, on the other side of the coin people hated TP because it didn't change much. People will hate the next Zelda game because *insert reason here*. There's absolutely no chance of Nintendo making a game that the fans will love.

Half of the posts on this fan forum are negative. Maybe with the next Zelda game Nintendo should package a block cheddar with it. Therefore they will have some cheese to go with their inevitable whine.

Anyone agree?

Not really. I think "hate" is a strong word to say about any game in the Zelda franchise (save those stupid spin offs, but I don't really count them). Zelda games have been known for setting the bar extremely high; just because there is some disagreement on a few games does not mean they are hated.

TWW for example has only one "negative" aspect, and that was the graphics. In reality game play was awesome, items were sweet, the story was intriguing, and combat was at the time unparalleled.

TP I think had even less of a backlash. If anything people approved of the gameplay even more while applauding the change back to more OOT-style graphics.

I guess what I am saying is, Zelda fans have come to appreciate the ingenuity presented by Nintendo. L0Z started it off, OOT blew things out of the water, and the games filling the spaces inbetween have all contributed something at some point. We expect change here, and while occasionally something may not fit our likings perfectly, Nintendo has been quick to respond and adjust accordingly.


I think the next game will be a stellar hit like its many predecessors have become.

There's always going to be a critisism about something in a game, whether it's too cartoonish or short. People will ALWAYS look at the negatives, which is why there is no suc thing as a perfect game, wheras a Zelda one.
"Hate" doesn't describe it too well. I'd consider "disappointing" at some points.

I hated TP for the wolf factor & twilight beings

Oh c'mon, now you're just generalizing everything.

Originally Posted by Kaepora21

I think the next game will be a stellar hit like its many predecessors have become.

That is beyond a shadow of a doubt. Statiscally, has there been a bad Zelda game (bar the CD-i games obviously)? No I don't think there hasn't. Virtually every Zelda game has recieved outstanding review scores. Fans of course have their favourite and least favourite Zelda games, and they have their opinions on which games are good and what games are "like lame dude and totally suck ass".

Hardcore fans of a series always look at the negatives (constant negativity annoys me). The next Zelda game could recieve perfect scores from everyone in the gaming media, it could be by far the best game of all time. But many Zelda fans will still moan and moan about it.

people in general are never happy. but that doesnlt mean they donlt liek Zelda or else they wouldn't bother playing the game at all

Cheese with "whine" Oh ho ho ho ho funny ***** right there

Seriously though, of course there are always people who are going to complain, but as said above, it's been more out of disappointment instead of just general whining. People are going to have different opinions anyways, nintendo isn't damned because no matter what they do they will still have a large group who will be very satisfied, and the remaining group will be less satisfied but still buy and play it anyway. I'm not quite sure what the point of this thread is seeing how we all know this?

The recent zelda games have all been great, however they have yet to exceed the greatness we first saw in OoT and MM.

Zelda Wii could and probably will change Zelda, which is much needed. It will all depend on how well they use Wii motion plus and what new gameplay they can make of it. The second most important thing is casual vs hardcore. If they water the game down, like they've done a lot with WW and TP, it won't be nearly as good of a game. As great as both WW and TP were, they weren't much of a challenge, and this needs to change. Difficulty levels should be implemented, but the core elements of the bosses need to change. They can't use the old formula anymore which goes like this:

use dungeon item to stun
use sword to damage
repeat 3 times

Many fans would much like to see Zelda get some influence from the Metroid Prime series.

But the Metroid Prime series is possibly even more formulaic in the way it handles bosses than Zelda...

You don't seem to relized that only a small minority hate TP and WW, they are just the most outspoken. People objected when WW, MM, and any of the other controvercial zeldas, but they latter liked it. The same will likely be true with the next zelda.

Originally Posted by Hombre de Mundo

The recent zelda games have all been great, however they have yet to exceed the greatness we first saw in OoT and MM.

Zelda Wii could and probably will change Zelda, which is much needed. It will all depend on how well they use Wii motion plus and what new gameplay they can make of it. The second most important thing is casual vs hardcore. If they water the game down, like they've done a lot with WW and TP, it won't be nearly as good of a game. As great as both WW and TP were, they weren't much of a challenge, and this needs to change. Difficulty levels should be implemented, but the core elements of the bosses need to change. They can't use the old formula anymore which goes like this:

use dungeon item to stun
use sword to damage
repeat 3 times

Many fans would much like to see Zelda get some influence from the Metroid Prime series.

QFT. With Zelda games getting "easier" nowadays I'd like the difficulty levels that would appeal to both the casual and hardcore. I agree that the new Zelda games have yet to surpass OoT & MM.

I liked TWW, despite the lack of difficulty in combat (everything else was fine), and TP continued with that flaw that bothered me. Now I have little doubt for the next Zelda to be harder which is why I'd like the difficulty levels to be presented. Actually, let there be a 2nd quest for a harder difficulty like LoZ had done that I'd like to see to come back. (Not for the dungeons to be in different order but for the challenging mobs and maybe a few puzzle changes.)

Of course, there are some people disagreeing with what I'm saying here. Maybe it's just me being bitter and old, living in the past in days of harder Zelda games that I've gotten myself used to that I felt TP's easier difficulty insulted me. While I don't believe TP to be the best, I got and played it anyway. And that will continue on with more Zelda games to come.

Every game ever created or that ever will be created, Zelda or not, will have people who don't like the game. No matter what the next Zelda is like, someone WILL complain. This also, for Nintendo, is a root of one of their biggest problems- trying to make a single game that everyone will love. Nintendo needs to come up with an idea that THEY like, and just go with it. They have yet to make a completely bad Zelda game, so they need to continue doing what they have been doing- copying the basic formula, with a few new twists. Nintendo can't stop the pessimists out there, but they can do their best.

Every fan has his/her own opinion on where Zelda should be going next, and it tends to differ a bit from Nintendo's. That's why it usually takes a few years and a sequel or two for the community to look at a game with completely sober eyes.

people hated tp because there were more wannabe zelda fans there to hate it

Originally Posted by Stuit

But the Metroid Prime series is possibly even more formulaic in the way it handles bosses than Zelda...

Not true. The Prime bosses were - first of all - a lot more challenging. Second, the hints you're given as to how to damage them are a lot vaguer than Zelda. Well actually, they aren't. But in Zelda, you know you're gonna use the dungeon item when it says "weakness on feet", whereas in metroid, you have to try each weapon and sometimes they're unpredictable. Who knew the morph ball bombs were the only way to kill the boss of the 3rd leviathan?

Metroid bosses also tend to have a number of different attacks, whereas Zelda bosses usually have two, one to strike and one to summon enemies, or one to strike and one moving attack.

I hated tp!Now I'm a big Zelda fan but tp just sucked!But I guess its too hard to beat the greatness of the 64 games.But not everyone agrees on the same stuff.For example I didn't like mm but tons and tons of people like mm over everything.

Originally Posted by 13th

But I guess its too hard to beat the greatness of the NES/SNES games.

Fix'd. The N64 games weren't much better in the difficulty and predictability departments. OoT copied ALttP almost as much as TP copied OoT. Technically TP copied ALttP indirectly.

Seriously?So ALTTP is actually better?Sweet!I'll have to play it sometime.

You should, it is arguably the best.

For the topic, I would generally agree that people will always gripe about the games one way or another. But really, games like TP and WW were some of the best Zelda games.

The recent zelda games have all been great, however they have yet to exceed the greatness we first saw in OoT and MM.

TotG is right about this, Zelda has always been that great, the series didn't start with OoT. And OoT didn't differ in its boss strategies, but you still seem to love it. MM did, I'll give you that, but excepting Twinrova, OoT definitely didn't, and that was also the easiest boss in the game. And I would agree that TP's bosses were way to easy, but WW's weren't any easier, imo.
WW did try to change, and people were all "OMG thats so kiddy!11!!!1!1!" and flipped out. Then everyone says now that TP tried too hard to be OoT, when Nintendo was just giving them what they wanted. The reason everyone loves OoT is nostalgia. Having played LttP first, then WW, then MM, then OoT, it doesn't seem that great. Honestly I probably glorify LttP as well. But TP and WW were better than OoT in my honest opinion, MM, just because it was very different, and the original too.
With MM even, everyone hated it for being different, the same as WW and FSA did. Now people have mostly accepted MM, and are starting to accept WW. FSA is still considered a knock off or spin-off, though it really wasn't a bad game. Really probably the only reason MM is considered one of the greater Zelda's, usually, despite it was different, was because it looked the exact same as OoT.
People want their OoT experience back, and I don't think they can ever have it, because they have put OoT on a pedestal. But outside the Zelda community, most everyone loved TP, though most people I know would agree that the bosses were too easy.