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Old 11-13-2008, 05:39 PM
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Vocal background music.

Some people are for voice acting in Zelda. Some are against it. But I don't see why either side would have a problem with what I'm going to suggest. In a future Zelda game, there should be some events, such as boss battles, in which the background music is a chorus singing.

Here's how the idea would work: Link would get into a boss chamber. The boss would make it's introduction, and the music would start. Each boss would have its own song, and each song would sound epic. It would be like an opera.

The language of this could vary. It could be anything from Japanese, to the country's official language, to Latin, to Hylian (Nintendo could always hire someone to come up with an actual Hylian language.)

This idea is similar to what happened in Final Fantasy 7 when
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I think that was awesome, and it could work with the next Zelda game, as long as the bosses were great enough.
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Old 11-13-2008, 05:56 PM
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Re: Vocal background music.

yeah its a really great idea, but yeah, the bosses should be hard in the next game, its even better because in TP the bosses were easy. (except argorok)
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Old 11-13-2008, 06:59 PM
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Re: Vocal background music.

The only vocals I think should be in future Zelda are narrations in prologue and epilogue and non Link Voice Acting.
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Old 11-13-2008, 07:25 PM
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Re: Vocal background music.

yeah that would be sweet to have. Wind Waker kinda did that, no they didn't have a chorus singing, but they had a different song for each of the bosses to support the environment that they were in. Making it into a chorus would probably give zelda the best soundtrack award once again.
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Old 11-13-2008, 08:44 PM
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Re: Vocal background music.

Vocals may not be a bad idea, as long as they are good and REAL. The overuse of vocals in TP (those crappy fake ones) really made it kindy cheesy, so I definitely do not want to hear that again. But a chorus for a song in general would be nice, especially for a dramatic part such as a battle with the villain or obtaining the Master Sword.
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Old 11-13-2008, 08:47 PM
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Re: Vocal background music.

In some cases Zelda games have touch on this using midi voices. But being that Midi voices are really not that great is probably one of the reasons your idea has never been realized.

But I would agree with you. A 100 piece chorus could be epic! And I have a feeling we may see some in the new game.

How about this, it's a must see/hear YouTube - Preliator/Zelda

(anything by the group Globus (like that song) is epic)
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Old 11-14-2008, 08:43 AM
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Re: Vocal background music.

It worked wonders for Bowser battles in Super Mario Galaxy. That song was five times more epic than anything in Twilight Princess.



In other words, I'm all for a real-life choir.




By the way, it's been, like, 12 years. It's not a spoiler anymore.
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Old 11-14-2008, 08:49 AM
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Re: Vocal background music.

Vocals worked well for the Star Wars movies. They should work well for Zelda.
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Old 11-14-2008, 10:19 AM
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Re: Vocal background music.

What if... Link doesn't speak the language of the area the game takes place? It would be like Link ending up in Termina after OoT, but he wouldn't be a Deku, he would just be unable to speak to people, because they speak a different language.
The first thing you'd have to do is learn a bit of the native language(which would be completely constructed for the game: writing, speach, etc.). This knowledge you can later use to understand vocal soundtracks in dungeons and during bossfights telling you what to do. The solutions would still have to be logical, as Nintendo wouldn't want to alienate fans who don't bother learning a few words of the in-game language.

This is probably WAY too ambitious, and if it would happen, maybe only Japanese gamers could enjoy the feature(like with the tWW-Hylian in the game manual).


Anyway, even if it would be only like Super Mario Galaxy's vocals, I would love it.
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Old 11-14-2008, 05:23 PM
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Re: Vocal background music.

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In some cases Zelda games have touch on this using midi voices. But being that Midi voices are really not that great is probably one of the reasons your idea has never been realized.

But I would agree with you. A 100 piece chorus could be epic! And I have a feeling we may see some in the new game.

How about this, it's a must see/hear YouTube - Preliator/Zelda

(anything by the group Globus (like that song) is epic)
I watched some of that video. It was awesome!

I agree that bosses in future Zelda games should be harder. They should also all be legendary creatures that you would want to sing about. Volvagia would fit into this, but Blizzeta wouldn't. Now who's them song had what sounded like singing in it? Blizzeta. That's wrong. Now, even though Blizzeta appeared in a game for a more advanced console in which it would have been easier to do that consider this: Stallord was at best, more legendary than Blizzeta. What does he get? It's a remix of volvagia's song.

Zelda Ganon's Puppet gets what sounds like singing in the theme music, and the same happens again for the Dark Beast Ganon theme, but this doesn't happen in the fight against Dark Lord Ganondorf, the final boss. That's injustice! Even worse, these songs that sound like they have singing in them don't even have words. It's like a choir was told to moan all day but with style. I know that Nintendo doesn't like using voice acting, but what's so wrong about putting actual vocals with words into a boss's music?

They should also do this for appropriate places. They sort of did that in OoT's temple of time, but again, those were not words. Those were a bunch of "e" sounds.
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Old 11-15-2008, 11:28 AM
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Re: Vocal background music.

Sure... but -

1) It would have to be in some kind of ancient language, whether in-game, like Hylian, or real-world, like Sanskrit, Arabic, Latin, Hebrew, and etc. Japanese and English opera would feel like a bit of a cheat if you know what I mean.
2) Dark overtones. I don't mind sunshine-y, holy places having nice music, but since you're talking more specifically about boss fights here, each one would need its own *ORIGINAL*,
powerful piece.
3) No MIDI crap. Need I say more?... Zelda should be at the age where its ready to mature into orchestrated music, be it vocal or not.

Thank you for reading SL's list of complaints, and have a nice day!

Oh, and by the way, good to be back on ZU! (I haven't posted in at least a month).
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Old 11-15-2008, 12:08 PM
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Sure... but -

1) It would have to be in some kind of ancient language, whether in-game, like Hylian, or real-world, like Sanskrit, Arabic, Latin, Hebrew, and etc. Japanese and English opera would feel like a bit of a cheat if you know what I mean.
2) Dark overtones. I don't mind sunshine-y, holy places having nice music, but since you're talking more specifically about boss fights here, each one would need its own *ORIGINAL*,
powerful piece.
3) No MIDI crap. Need I say more?... Zelda should be at the age where its ready to mature into orchestrated music, be it vocal or not.

Thank you for reading SL's list of complaints, and have a nice day!

Oh, and by the way, good to be back on ZU! (I haven't posted in at least a month).
I agree with you, as long as this goes with boss battles. For music in other places, I wouldn't necessarily have the dark overtones. I originally wanted to include the music to be in other places too, but I forgot to put that in the first post.

For Hyrule field, I'm thinking of a choir singing about its beauty and joyful music. There would be a female singer who would get a few solos in the song too. Either that, or Hyrule field's music could have a more adventurous song. Perhaps the joyful song could go with lake Hylia, or the lost woods, or maybe some other new place, like a peaceful meadow. The vocal background music wouldn't go with everyplace, but it would go in several key places.

One more thing. Super Mario Galaxy got orchestrated music. I saw a video of them playing the gusy garden theme on gametrailers. Zelda deserves this too. It's just not fair to not have it.
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Old 11-15-2008, 01:19 PM
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Re: Vocal background music.

YES! This idea is pure win! I always love a good chorus in a epic score, and combining that with Zelda would be fantastic. I can just imagine fighting a boss with epic Latin vocals in the background adding to the mood of the scenario. It would be so awesome!

Also, I think they should finally give lyrics to the main theme. It would sound really nice in Latin, or perhaps Hylian (if they ever decide to make it an actual language and not some alternative alphabet/hiragana). This song could play during the title, screen or during the ending credits, or during the explaination of some back story, or something.
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Old 11-15-2008, 02:20 PM
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Re: Vocal background music.

Putting lyrics with the main theme sounds just weird to me. It wasn't exactly created to go along with words. I am in favor though, of new songs being created to go along with words. There's always that one song that goes "Link, he come to town, to save the princess Zelda..." that's to the tune of the main theme, but I just don't see that song going with any future game, even if its lyrics are relevant.
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Old 11-15-2008, 02:31 PM
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Re: Vocal background music.

Are we talking vocal music like Enya, or vocal music like the Brawl theme? The latter would work well for a Zelda game, the former would not.
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Old 11-16-2008, 09:51 AM
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Are we talking vocal music like Enya, or vocal music like the Brawl theme? The latter would work well for a Zelda game, the former would not.
I don't know what Enya is. I guess the music would be kind of like the Brawl theme.
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Old 11-17-2008, 08:09 AM
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I don't know what Enya is. I guess the music would be kind of like the Brawl theme.
Enya... is not what you want for this (as much as I respect Enya).

I had the Brawl theme in mind when you were first spoke of this.

Now, did you want more of a modern feel sometimes?
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Old 11-17-2008, 11:56 AM
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The only vocals I think should be in future Zelda are narrations in prologue and epilogue and non Link Voice Acting.
Yep, we... or at least, -I- don't want Zelda to sound like a freaking final fantasy game. It could be better to add some sort of "eternal darkness" music, that would be great...
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Old 11-17-2008, 09:51 PM
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Re: Vocal background music.

Every boss that gets a song like this (which should be all of them) should also get an appropriate back story that makes it sound scary. A legend would be nice. Don't just make Link fight against a really big monster. Make that monster a legendary demon. That will make this kind of music more appropriate. Perhaps each demon could also have a hand in bringing the end of the world one Hyrule.
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Old 11-18-2008, 03:17 PM
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Pretty interesting if they fit the boss in both tune and lyrics.
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