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Old 08-14-2008, 05:11 PM
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Ganon: Is he really overused or just not human enough?

We've all seen the comments, "Ganondorf is overused." "If the next game has ganondorf I'm giving up on Zelda." "Ganondorf is dead in both timelines already. He's done." and so on.

Now, I came to wonder if he really is overused. He's the main villian in 6 or 8 of the main games. (depends how you count the oracle games or AoL since the final boss is dark link. Ganon isn't the final form in LA so it doesn't count, besides thats Darkl) So that makes Ganon our main villian in about half the series. That's not that much.

I remember back during the TP hype everyone was so excited cause Zant was such a badass. During the first half of the game, he was a good character. Then he went crazy and became totally lame. Ganondorf comes in and is just totally flat. He's an escaped convict. Woo!

TWW is cited time and again for having an amazing ending. Ganondorf really seemed human in that game. I would like to see that side of Ganon again.

In conclusion, I don't think Ganondorf needs a break, he just needs to become a more compelling villian.
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Old 08-14-2008, 05:19 PM
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Re: Ganon: Is he really overused or just not human enough?

Yes! Ganondorf truly needs more character development. We've really never seen the story through his eyes.
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Old 08-14-2008, 06:23 PM
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Re: Ganon: Is he really overused or just not human enough?

I want to see real Evil Ganondorf doesn't seem evil enough
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Old 08-14-2008, 06:34 PM
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Re: Ganon: Is he really overused or just not human enough?

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I want to see real Evil Ganondorf doesn't seem evil enough

I think that too, he needs to be more evil and more powerfull too.
A duo with Majora or another new character would be awesome!
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Old 08-14-2008, 06:44 PM
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I think that too, he needs to be more evil and more powerfull too.
A duo with Majora or another new character would be awesome!
Crossovers are bad and would suck.
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Old 08-14-2008, 06:48 PM
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Crossovers are bad and would suck.

Maybe for you, but not for me!
I know Majora is officially death but it would be cool, right!
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Old 08-14-2008, 06:52 PM
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Crossovers are bad and would suck.
true dat, Ganon is the puppet master. He works for no one.
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Old 08-14-2008, 07:04 PM
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true dat, Ganon is the puppet master. He works for no one.

I said a duo, not that ganondorf is a puppet!
You are right, he works for no one, but maybe with somebody?
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Old 08-14-2008, 07:24 PM
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Re: Ganon: Is he really overused or just not human enough?

Not majora's mask. And while we're at it, Ganondorf isn't the type to team up. Maybe vaati but not ganondorf.
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Old 08-14-2008, 08:51 PM
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Re: Ganon: Is he really overused or just not human enough?

I'm kind of torn on this issue. On one hand, I'd really like to see someone other than Ganondorf step into the spotlight, but on the other, I'm reminded of Ganondorf's TWW incarnation, which I absolutely loved. He seemed so human in that game; quite a sharp contrast compared to his more demonic and monstrous forms from OoT and such. I think this was because of his cause: rather than destroying Hyrule, he wanted to raise it and start over so his people wouldn't have to suffer as they did long ago. Again, quite a sharp contrast to his previous motives.

I dunno, I'm iffy on the whole thing.
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Old 08-14-2008, 09:58 PM
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Re: Ganon: Is he really overused or just not human enough?

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Not majora's mask. And while we're at it, Ganondorf isn't the type to team up. Maybe vaati but not ganondorf.

Maybe he's tired of getting beated up by Link and one day he decides to team up with somebody.
Just kidding, you are probably right.
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Old 08-14-2008, 10:19 PM
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I'm kind of torn on this issue. On one hand, I'd really like to see someone other than Ganondorf step into the spotlight, but on the other, I'm reminded of Ganondorf's TWW incarnation, which I absolutely loved. He seemed so human in that game; quite a sharp contrast compared to his more demonic and monstrous forms from OoT and such. I think this was because of his cause: rather than destroying Hyrule, he wanted to raise it and start over so his people wouldn't have to suffer as they did long ago. Again, quite a sharp contrast to his previous motives.

I dunno, I'm iffy on the whole thing.
My thoughts exactly. There's potential but at the same time the spotlight needs to be shared. It's a really hard call.
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Old 08-14-2008, 10:29 PM
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Re: Ganon: Is he really overused or just not human enough?

Grrr. This makes me mad.. You guys say.. "He's best in WW" and im on my first run of WW...

But I think he needs to have more personality. He does need to be human. He needs to be seen more often too... Really , You saw Ganondorf for two long periods of time in WW.. (possibly more i have beaten it yet) .. and look how you guys are praising him..
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Old 08-15-2008, 12:04 AM
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Re: Ganon: Is he really overused or just not human enough?

xyz, that's a danger you tread when going around the zelda sections.

This is the end of the game so highlight at your own risk.
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Old 08-15-2008, 03:14 PM
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Re: Ganon: Is he really overused or just not human enough?

Ganon only wants inmense pwer to govern the world and later rule over the galaxy, it's a typical villain that has big dreams that can easily be replaced by infinite supplies of Hylian Pizza.
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Old 08-15-2008, 04:59 PM
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Re: Ganon: Is he really overused or just not human enough?

His story needs to be delved into more. I think flashbacks to how he was raised with the gerudo and just fleshed out more. If this was done he could easily be revived and made into the great villian we know he truly could be.
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Old 08-15-2008, 05:43 PM
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Re: Ganon: Is he really overused or just not human enough?

I think Ganondorf should remain a pure evil, horrible, monstrous character, with insane powers and that has a big impact. I think he should be developed more. Maybe like you said, as more human, but as a more inhumane and horrible human.
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Old 08-15-2008, 05:49 PM
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Ganon only wants inmense pwer to govern the world and later rule over the galaxy, it's a typical villain that has big dreams that can easily be replaced by infinite supplies of Hylian Pizza.
lemme guess: never played wind waker?
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Old 08-15-2008, 06:40 PM
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lemme guess: never played wind waker?
Nope! I've never played it! In fact, I never played it that the game has a new side-quest: TRAVEL THE SEA WITH YOUR SLEEPING CLOTHES! XD No, seriously, I've played the game, I just forgot that Ganon wanted Hyrule with a passion that got over him, which infact, he got it.
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Old 08-16-2008, 09:38 PM
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Re: Ganon: Is he really overused or just not human enough?

Nintendo should let Ganon(dorf) die, he's starting to become like Shadow the Hedgehog: during their primes (TWW and SA2) they both were a character with a motivation that most people couldn't explain in less than 5 words (unlike the other characters in their shallow series), both were badass in a kiddy kinda way and both died an honorable death...after which they were to be revived countless of times...

Guys, you aren't Dr. Robotnik, Dr. Wily, Sigma or Dracula, so just die while you still can.
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