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Old 06-26-2008, 03:48 PM
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By now, a lot of you have heard of Project Deluge/Valley of Deluge, AKA Valley of the Flood, right?
If you haven't, it's a rumored Zelda game coming out in 2009 that will be revealed at E3 2008. It takes place between Ocarina of Time and The Wind Waker, and will have a more steampunk theme. (Yes, that means there will be guns!) Also, the main character is a black-haired hylian psychopath that thinks he's Link. It will have a world far bigger than any other game, and numerous sidequests. Gimme your opinion on the poll.*
It will be awesome! (in my opinion!)

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"The story doesn't actually concern the Hero of Time as you know him. Not the reincarnated spirit of Link, at least. The game features an adolescent who is not actually the reincarnated spirit of Link, but believes he is. I know little of the plot, but I imagine it concerns his attempt to fulfill himself through adopting Link's persona and attempting to save Hyrule. How the Master Sword will fit into this is unknown, but Ganon is the central villain. According to the synopsis, several of his powerful followers have large roles and may even encounter Link multiple times throughout the game. I'm uncertain of this, but I believe the "valley" may simply refer to all of Hyrule."

And another post:

"Kind've like Majora's Mask except with guaranteed destruction. I can picture a stormy scene about 2/3 through the game: hundreds of Hylians migrating to mountains in the hope of surviving. Maybe the Hero could navigate the flooded canals of Hyrule via a boatfull of Zoras and save people while the waters rose in real-time. That would be pretty ****ing awesome."

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From IGN (indirectly)
Kyle: I would first like to thank you for allowing us to visit you here. I understand your team has been very preoccupied with preparing for your trip next month. We feel pretty honored to speak with you about this so early before E3.

Eiji Aonuma: [laughs] I admit it is rare that share information this early, but I convinced Iwata-san that your writers were trustworthy enough to keep our conversation here confidential until Project Deluge is announced at the expo.

Kyle: In that case, I can assure you the interview here will remain secret until July.

Aonuma: Good. Should we discuss the game then?

Kyle: Actually, I would appreciate if you could clarify the nature of the game. As in, what specifically do you have planned to reveal soon?

Aonuma: That’s a good start. Well Project Deluge is obviously not going to be the retail title. We have been speculating as to whether we should even call this a “Legend of Zelda” game at all. As for subtitles, Valley of the Deluge seems the most favored so far. Or Valley of the Flood as it will probably translate. It is a Wii title and is currently estimated to release around late 2009 at the earliest.

Kyle: That’s a long time.

Aonuma: [laughs] We spend at least two years on each console installment of the franchise and usually much more than that. There was a huge gap between Ocarina of Time and A Link to the Past as well as a sizable gap between Majora’s Mask and The Wind Waker. We intend to refine the game a great deal before 2009 though, so visuals won’t do it much justice.

Kyle: Is A Link to the Past still your favorite game?

Aonuma: I think it is. I have always strived to replicate its charm on some level. I think I did this best with The Wind Waker. The artists and musicians made something there that was more tangible than anything I’ve seen yet. More charming and immersive in a sense. I want to replicate that.

Kyle: Now before we begin discussing the game mechanics and art style of Project Deluge, I am interested in hearing about what you want to elicit from this game. What aspects do you want to focus on?

Aonuma: That’s a very good question. There are a few critical aspects of Deluge that I want to address. The first is a greater sense of psychological peril. Miyamoto-san and I have disagreed a great deal on the importance of storytelling in games. He argues for simplicity and straightforwardness and I have long believed that stories in games can be as powerful as in books if done well. So I want to assert that the game will have a much more complicated story in the sense that our hero is no longer mute.

Kyle: Because he isn’t Link, right?

Aonuma: I see you’ve already heard.

Kyle: Rumors mostly.

Aonuma: Mario will have to fix that leaky pipe one of these days. [laughs]

Kyle: [laughs] I hope not. Nintendo is secret enough as it is. Go on though, I’m interested in what else you intend to emphasize with Deluge.

Aonuma: I can’t divulge too much without compromising my agreement with Iwata-san, but I can tell you that because the hero is not Link this time, there is much more flexibility in terms of storytelling. I want to stress the craziness of the hero. Because this hero is not Link, but he thinks he is Link. You remember the opening of Wind Waker, correct? Where it spoke of how Link never came to slay Ganon?

Kyle: One of the best openings I’ve ever seen actually.

Aonuma: I’m glad. I think it was one of the best parts of the game. Well you’ll recall that Link never came and the gods essentially flooded Hyrule to destroy Ganon. So in this Hyrule. In this Hyrule I’m creating, no Hero of Time has surfaced yet and the entire land is crumbling as Ganon reaps more and more power. The races are hopeless at this point. Basically, all of Hyrule is in chaos. But this boy deludes himself into thinking that he is the Hero of Time. And of course, as the story progresses he will begin looking more and more like Link. Physically he’s different though, with black hair and more defined musculature and such. He’s obsessed of course, and wears a green tunic as Link did, forges a sword and shield similar in appearance to Link’s, and actually begins confronting Ganon’s followers. This works well considering Ganon is much more of a lunatic this time around. He’s basically gone mad and the game’s cinematics will sometimes jump to him and show this madness overpower him over the course of the game.

Kyle: So the main character is insane? I like this idea.

Aonuma: That’s a good way of putting it I suppose. He is insane, yes. But he’s good. He’s altruistic and a kind-spirited warrior. He has more layers of emotion than Link because he speaks in the game. He also has a pretty disturbing backstory. It’s not as dark as it sounds though. That brings me to my second point actually. So psychological depth is the first, but I want to address the game’s tone.

Kyle: Please go ahead. [laughs] You’re covering most of my questions already.

Aonuma: I’m glad. [laughs] Now I’ve heard many fans tell me that they’re interested in a steampunk-influenced Zelda, even though the series has always maintained a very medieval foundation. I thought about this shortly after completing [Wind Waker], and I started compiling ideas in my head and eventually relayed them to Miyamoto-san, who seemed surprisingly pleased with the idea of a more progressive Hylian history. We had a meeting halfway through development of Twilight Princess and agreed to set aside an entire portfolio of ideas for a more industrialized Hyrule. We figured that if Hyrule has enough time to develop its kingdom, it would eventually discover the steam engine and gunpowder and such. Well gunpowder was there to begin with. We’ve had cannons in Zelda, so I suppose you could say that Zelda was always really in a kind of medieval-steampunk limbo.

Kyle: What exactly do you have planned for this kind of transition? I mean, do you actually want guns in the Zelda universe, or is that just wishful thinking on my part?

Aonuma: Muskets, certainly. They wouldn’t be the kind that you’re familiar with though, and all items we create in the universe will retain their respective fantasy styles. So for instance, you can expect a deku musket that fires gunpowder-filled deku nuts. It sounds a bit obscene, but when you see the concept art and visuals in July, you’ll realize how well it all merges with the world. I don’t want to spoil too much, but we intend to have a railroad system in Hyrule. It’s actually something I’ve wanted to implement since Majora’s Mask, but we’ve never had a large enough world, you know?

Kyle: That could be incredible. How big is the world going to be?

Aonuma: My third point. I think Wind Waker had it right, but it needed to approach travel with more variety. Sailing was a very polarizing aspect of the game, and I think we need to look at the sheer number of possible modes of transportation. Of course our hero in Deluge will have a horse—a black one actually, with these ethereal white spots that illuminate in the dark; I think it’s quite interesting and captures the otherworldly tone I’m looking for in the game. But yes, he has a horse and access to a train, as well as an unusual method of flight. I’ll talk about all of this at E3 and I don’t want to spoil much, but I want to emphasize that this game will be breathtakingly massive. Not just in scale, but in the amount of sidequests and secret items and even mini-dungeons we’re trying to implement. It’s the largest Zelda so far in terms of land. We want realism and consistency in the world, such as believable rivers and brooks and water effects. Especially water effects. [laughs]

Kyle: Amazing. Do you have any concept art I can look at, or is that too much to ask?

Aonuma: Not this time, I’m afraid. You’ll see it soon enough though. I’m even a little stunned at what my co-workers have created, and that’s saying something since I worked with them on so many amazing games. I’ve always wanted to surpass A Link to the Past and I think I might with this. Who knows?


Kyle: The Wind Waker has always been my favorite Zelda game, but I think this should easily topple it. Now what are your other goals?

Aonuma: Let’s see. Hero, tone, scale…. Well aside from fully orchestrated music-

Kyle: Finally!

Aonuma: [laughs] Yes, the music will all be orchestrated this time. I know that was a complaint of Twilight Princess, so I hope we can remedy some of the sound complaints this time. Voice acting and orchestrated music are very important to us right now. But yes, I’m drawing a lot of artistic inspiration from Majora’s Mask. I think that game was so real partly because of its overarching sense of despair. Deluge will be hopeful and more innocent at times, but it is still a story of the apocalypse. Remember that this game is centralized around the Great Flood of Hyrule, and concerns, in part, the salvation of various Hylians from total destruction, which the hero will influence in part.

Kyle: So that’s his purpose, then? Is he occupied partly with saving Hyrule’s people?

Aonuma: You’ll have to wait a while, because this is still very integral to the core plot, which I can’t spoil right now. I can tell you that his primary motive is destroying Ganon, but you can imagine how difficult this is without the Master Sword or Light Arrows. So battling Ganon and saving Hyrule are both key components of his journey, and in order to immerse the characters as fully as possible, I want to draw the sense of urgency present in Majora’s Mask. The flood doesn’t occur until later in the story, but when Hyrule floods, it does so in real-time. What I mean is, Link will not have the opportunity to wander the world aimlessly at that point, as Hyrule Field and the Gerudo and Kokiri territories—all the towns aside from the Goron tribes in Death Mountain, essentially—will become huge bodies of water. And of course there will be an immense variety of new enemies and such to add depth to this.

Kyle: Will the hero actually be able to use iron boots to explore an underwater Hyrule, or will it be a suspended reality similar to that of Wind Waker?

Aonuma: A bit early to say, but I don’t think you’ll be disappointed. The Zora race will survive of course, and their influence on saving Hylians is pretty interesting. But you remember that in Wind Waker, the races evolved physically?

Kyle: I hope the game explores that, actually.

Aonuma: It might. We’re drawing more power out of the Wii than ever before with this. I’m very excited. [laughs]

Kyle: I am too, you have no idea. Well I’m very grateful for your willingness to speak with us today. You can expect to read the interview shortly after the E3 showing and I hope to see some concept art soon. This game sounds incredible so far.

Aonuma: I’m glad you think so. I’m very pleased with its progress as well and I hope gamers will find it our most compelling game so far.

Notes:
*This is not a poll-centric thread. Answer the poll if you feel like it.
**This information is from a few threads on different websites I found about a week ago.
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Old 06-26-2008, 03:51 PM
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guns??? WTF!
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Old 06-26-2008, 03:55 PM
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Re: [Official ]Valley of the Flood / Deluge Thread

No offence, but this seems hard to believe. This is in no way related to any other Zelda games, not to mention that there isn't anything between TP and WW as they have been confirmed to be in different timelines.
On the other hand, it was said that TP and PH would be the last Zelda games "as we know them", so it may be a possibility, but I still find a change that drastic to be unlikely.
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Old 06-26-2008, 04:08 PM
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I dunno. I actually believe this.
Well, i kinda believed the A Link to the... Future? youtube video.

EDIT: I think I have all of my sources. And, remember, this isn't a poll centric thread. Read the posts, then answer the poll if you want to.
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Old 06-26-2008, 04:30 PM
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^If anything, that's probably reffering to the same game. The biggests problem with this possibility I see is that if they were going to make a change in the series so huge, they would have announced it long ago, especialy if they're saying a 2008 or 2009 launch. I guess that video add some vaildity to the concept, but it could still be concept art other games kind of mixed together, or even just fan concepts. I still don't believe it, and personaly I would not look forward to seeing Zelda take a turn in that direction.
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I dunno. I actually believe this.
Well, i kinda believed this too: YouTube - The Legend Of Zelda - A Link To The... Future?
(I guess that could be real, but no proof. I like that Midna and Zant cameo. I guess it was supposed to be a TP sequel.)
Oh dear God, someone shoot me in the testicles. I can't believe after two years people are still falling for that even after it was confirmed as an April Fool's Joke.

Anyway, I'm skeptical about the whole deal, and for good reason since, you know, it was first posted on 4chan. Anything from 4chan is fake. This is logic. Do not argue with this logic.
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Old 06-26-2008, 04:40 PM
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Re: [Official ]Valley of the Flood / Deluge Thread

They said that "TP [and PH] would be the last of [their] kind."
I think that's proof the series will take a big turn. For the better or worse, I don't know.
I so hope it isn't like Mario. Miyamoto does hate epic games though.
Ex: Zelda Horz
ans, Zelda Horz double dash
Zelda Soccer!
Link's basketball training
Early Days: Ganon learns to count!
You see? I hope that doesn't happen wid Zelda.
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They said that "TP [and PH] would be the last of [their] kind."
I think that's proof the series will take a big turn. For the better or worse, I don't know.
I so hope it isn't like Mario. Miyamoto does hate epic games though.
I'm not saying that the series shouldn't take a big turn. What I'm saying is that everyone should stop using that video as a source. It's been confirmed as fake, let it die.

Also, it's a good thing that Miyamoto doesn't have as much control over Zelda as he used to. Aonuma, on the other hand, basically calls the shots these days, and seems to love epic games, so you can lay that fear to rest.
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Old 06-26-2008, 04:50 PM
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Why are people still believing this ****?

Sure, it's a good idea, but it's never going to happen.
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Old 06-26-2008, 05:12 PM
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Im not using that video as a source. i don't believe it. I said I used to. (I was just trying to say that I'm gullible.)
EDIT: I'll take out that link.
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They said that "TP [and PH] would be the last of [their] kind."
I think that's proof the series will take a big turn. For the better or worse, I don't know.
I so hope it isn't like Mario. Miyamoto does hate epic games though.
Ex: Zelda Horz
ans, Zelda Horz double dash
Zelda Soccer!
Link's basketball training
Early Days: Ganon learns to count!
You see? I hope that doesn't happen wid Zelda.
Well they orginialy said taht about just TP, which is why I found it odd when PH came out, but I just asumed it was because they hadn't said anything about it yet. Anyways that doesn't mean it will take a big turn, I think that anything that has been put forth so far is waaaay to drastic, and most likely (if not already confirmed) fake.
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I would love that game to be real, its something fresh and new for once. though I know its not real, it would be cool if it was. and the guns wouldn't be that bad, they would be very primitive, and it would be realistic for Hyrule to actually advance in technology like in real life.
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Why don't you think Valley of Deluge is fake? Seems real to me. If it was fake, some one went into a lot of effort to make the different speaking styles between kyle and Aonuma.
I took out the link to the youtube video.
Oh, and it was proved to be fake 2 years ago? The video was posted February 2008.
I can believe that it was proved to be fake 2 months ago, though.
Sorry for any confusion because of the video.
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GUESS we'll have to wait until E3 now don't we...
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Re: [Official ]Valley of the Flood / Deluge Thread

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Why do you think Valley of Deluge is fake? Seems real to me. If it was fake, some one went into a lot of effort to make the different speaking styles between kyle and Aonuma.
I took out the link to the youtube video.
Oh, and it was proved to be fake 2 years ago? The video was posted February 2008.
I can believe that it was proved to be fake 2 months ago, though.
Sorry for any confusion because of the video link.
It was proved fake two years ago. That's not the original youtube video, let alone the original video period.

I personally think this sounds like a good idea. But the fact that it was first revealed on 4chan and the fact that there is so much information before a Zelda game was even announced leads me to believe its fake. It would be cool, however.
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Old 06-26-2008, 06:21 PM
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meh. Maybe. I believe it though. 4chan almost is always fake, but this seems pretty convincing.
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It's probably fake but it would be a ****ing great idea for Zelda, just as long as it's pulled off correctly.

Not everything from 4chan is fake, there's been tons of times when things have been leaked on 4chan ranging from pirated stuff to just leaks like this. It isn't as leakful as it's Japanese counterpart, 2channel, but it has it's times.
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Why are people still believing this ****?

Sure, it's a good idea, but it's never going to happen.
Simple - it hasn't been proven to be false yet either. The day that will tell all is fast approaching. Mid july, 15-17. E3 2008. I don't think it's so much people actually believing it's happening, and more so people wishing and hoping that it actualy is.

I know that I, for one, would be estactic. Finally, a Zelda made for the hardcore.
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I like the idea of a steampunk Hyrule, but the fact that you don't get to play as Link is pretty sad...
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Old 06-26-2008, 06:33 PM
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Yah. Zelda is waaaaay to casual for me. We need good graphics, good sidequests, and a good underlying meaning. (I'm looking for a game like Bioshock or Tales of Symphonia.)
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