A darker King of Evil?

I have been pondering on the possibility of an enemy other then Ganondorf, we have seen powerful deitys like Majora. but altough the triforce of power keeps Ganon alive, some other entity could strive for the Triforce, and in order to keep his plans functional, Ganon would figh alongside Link, for instance to defeat this power, it is impossible to the eyes of a zelda fan to see the Evil King as a hero, but to acomplish his goals and to his own benefict he could indeed aid the young heroes.

What do you think?, maybe Ganon's a ancestor? please post your ideas

I dont know if it would be Ganon's ancestor, but it's possible that a new villian could come into play. But I highly doubt Ganondorf would ever side with Link and Zelda.

Nah, I want Ganon[dorf] to stay as the main antagonist, and I definitely don't want to work along side Ganon. If it ever came to that though, there would HAVE to be a plot twist where he betrays you.

Hmm...well, Ganondorf is the King of Evil...I think it would be a little odd if someone else turned up and everyone suddenly calls HIM the King of Evil. Although, I would like it if he was proclaiming himself to be the King, but Ganondorf keeps telling him that he's just faking it.

Perhaps a story were you think you're fighting the King of Evil, and thus Ganondorf, all the way through the game, but at the end you find out that the villain isn't actually Ganondorf, and is just pretending to be him to scare everyone? Obviously, in this story the real Ganondorf would never appear.

Sounds interesting... Maybe his mother.

I really wan't a female villian in the next Legend of Zelda game. It really would be a twist and serve as another first for this Zelda game, since it is supposed to be different than the others.

Now I would rather have this new villian be completely origanal, no tie-ins. And I see where you are coming from, but I really like Link to work alone, aside from Midna/Navi, etc. (I don't think any of us really 'liked' Navi though.) It adds to the sense of One Last Hope. Our Savior.

Notice ,tough Ganondorf's style would hardly be overpowered by a newcomer without a "story" plus noone being able to see him other then the maib anthagonist (and my personal favourite character), he keeps failing...
Yes, over and over he fails and to be honest, his boss fights were never too hard, like they should be for a character with such atraction.
i strongly agree with a female anthagonist, maybe someone from the gerudo tribe aswell? or maybe the godess theyselfs?
The Legend Of Zelda
THE THREE POWERS
i really CAN imagine ganon fighting against them alongsides Link ONLY for theyr ultimate power, and, without a choice, Link takes his help, only later to fight him again but with now with the godesse's powers?...nah sounds a bit TOO powerfull...only if ther were some "puppet master" who controlled the golden deitys...anyways, forget my unreal spectulations, but consider it.

Originally Posted by Erimgard

Nah, I want Ganon[dorf] to stay as the main antagonist, and I definitely don't want to work along side Ganon. If it ever came to that though, there would HAVE to be a plot twist where he betrays you.

I have to disagree... I think there are only so many plots in which it can be Link vs. Ganondorf without it getting too easy to predict the game's ending. Also, how can Ganondorf get any player respect as a character if he consistently fails at every attempt he makes?

Originally Posted by xxRaxx

Sounds interesting... Maybe his mother.

I really wan't a female villian in the next Legend of Zelda game. It really would be a twist and serve as another first for this Zelda game, since it is supposed to be different than the others.

What about Veran? Besides, we already killed Ganondorf's surrogate mothers in the Spirit Temple.

I was once won a contest on Zelda Universe for my villain idea. His name was Fero, and he was the evil brother of the three goddesses who created Hyrule. He kept the missing piece of the triforce for himself. He wanted to destroy Hyrule because it was created by his sisters but he was trapped by them. He gained power from all of the evil in the world when trapped until he was finally able to break free and defeat the three goddesses. He then went to Hyrule to destroy it. It took the combined effort of Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf to defeat this guy. He was really tough. Oh, and his triforce piece represented malice.

I'd really love to see a return of Zant. He was one of the coolest zelda villians and was the only one that actually seemed, well...evil.

If we can't have zant though, I agree with TheOneRuler that there should be a female antagonist. On a side note, why is it that there are so few female antagonists in movies and games? Is Hollywood afiad of pissing of womens rights groups or something?

What about Veran? Besides, we already killed Ganondorf's surrogate mothers in the Spirit Temple.

Varan was horrible. There was so little backstory that I don't even know where she came from. She also had next to no dialouge. I've never played a linked game yet, but I doubt it reveals anything that regular OOA did.

I think that the most successful female villain is Twinrova.

It would be cool to see a really powerful female villain but the idea of a woman (like Zelda) being in distress because of an overpowering male (like ganondorf) makes Zelda more gothic. I don't mean the kind of gothic that you see today. I mean the gothic genre. Another thing in a gothic story is a medieval castle (Hyrule castle).

I'm SICK of Ganon. He keeps coming back just to do always the same stuff: trying to get the Triforce and becoming the ruler of Hyrule. We need other villains. I want Nintendo to do the following:
1) Give Ganon a vacation. But if it was a permanente vacation, then it would be even better, because his story has already been told. And he already was killed more than enough times.
2) Create a original new villain... not a half-assed Ganon-wannabe like Vaati. No, I want one who has different purposes.
3) Maybe bring back Majora, because we need to know more about him, and because he IS the most powerful villain in the series (if he wanted to become the master of the world like Ganon or Vaati wish to be, he would already be, because all what he would have to do is threaten the humanity to surrender to him or be destroyed by him making the moon crash against the planet).

I would rather Ganondorf remained as the main villian. He has been in the series from the start and dispite his absense in some of the games, in my opinion he should always remain as the main antagonist of the series.
Although i would like to continue to see great viliians like Vaati and Zant apart from Ganondorf himself.

Originally Posted by TheOneRuler

or maybe the godess themself?

I could see this happening. Maybe somehow Ganondorf has brought the people of Hyrule on his side and Link and Zelda are all alone and have to fight everybody. The Goddesses then come down and say that they are sick of the fighting and hatred since the Imprisoning War and they take the Triforce pieces from Ganondorf, Link, and Zelda then say they are either going to be taking the Triforce back to the Sacred Realm or they destroy everybody in Hyrule.

I don't think that Nintendo is done using Ganondorf. At least not until we fans are clear about how the timeline that he's so involved in. I don't care if you believe that there's a timeline or not. To Nintendo there is supposed to be an overall timeline and that is how they will supposedly make their game storylines.

There should totally be a new villain cuz im sure lots of people are getting bored from the same old ganon all the time.

A dark mage trying to get to the triforce would be awesome!

Every major villain is after something different.
Ganon: Triforce
Vaati: Light Force
Bellum: Life Force
Majora: Destruction of Termina

I want a new villian. I am tired of Ganondorf. How many times can you actualy play out the whole 'Trying to obtain the triforce!' scenario? Its just becomes boring.

Oh look, Ganondorf has yet again come up with some elaborate plan to take control of Hyrule! Link beats Ganondorf and everything returns to peace.

I want a new story where the triforce, Master Sword, and Ganondorf get a break. Some new evil with a new background story and with a more emotional ending and turn of events. Preferably something that is evident all through out the game but seems all to random and suddenly everything falls into place revealing a whole different motive.... So I like how the Saw movies end and other movies with such endings such as Fight Club.

Seriously though. I am sick of Ganondorf and his attempts to gather the Triforce and take over Hyrule.

It is completely stale. The battles are fun, but storywise its just annoying. it ends the same way, Ganondorf loses and peace returns. We need a new ending, not saying one where Link dies. But a new ending revolving around the villian and how he is defeated.

Maybe the villian could seem evil, but at the end its revealed that his tribe has taken ill and went to Hyrule in search of something to aid them. He goes about it all wrong and causes more problems then intended. At the end, while the villian is dying, he tells you this and makes you swear that you will find a way to save his people.

Now something like that would be refreshing, the ending credits could be Link arriving at the village and you see why the villian was so determined. But then Link uses what ever the villian though could help... and he cures them all.

Who would expect that? Much better then what we have currently seen.

/rant mode over

Also whats with the whole Link and Ganondorf teaming up?

True, All that is true but...Ganondorf has captured the atention of much fans and nintendo wants to sell more, and to sell more thy have to chose what most fans want.
Tazryl, that Link-Ganon team is someway to get originality to the game. Nintendo should make something diferent, something bigger, besides ganon is getting a bit the same every single time:"-Ha! the triforce is mine!" but then link stops him... his designs are getting better tough, from the ape-like short-haired ganon in OOT (seven years after he gets some cool long hair) to the fat but with some VERY interesting boss music in WW. the TP is the nicest tough.
anyways, maybe ganon should be imprisoned for some time... or something like this:
"Ganondords music comes up" -Hello (player name). "link looks surprised" - i had several thousand years to think, you know. and i have figured i just can't get triforce off this land. this cursed land! but...i have something for you now, you and zelda. i judged you as a simple fairy boy! but now i see...now i will take my revenge!! "his triforce shines and Din appears near him." -yes, my boy. this is Din the godess of Power! "music stops" "tipical raaargh! ganondorf scream" the godess disapears and a giant re-designed Ganon appears." well something like this would be nice, Ganon could enslave the godess...another failed speculation...
maybe we'll just have to wait for the next zelda game to find out...

Originally Posted by TheOneRuler

this is Din the godess of Power! "music stops" "tipical raaargh! ganondorf scream" the godess disapears and a giant re-designed Ganon appears." well something like this would be nice, Ganon could enslave the godess

it would feel really unrealistic to defeat someone who is powerful enough to enslave a god

I like Ganon as a villain, but they need to put a bit of a twist on him. Maybe change up his motives a bit, I don't know, something new. At the very least he should be tougher. I guess what I really want to see is just what the title of this thread suggests: a darker King of Evil. I want to see Ganon be really evil. Rather than just conquering Hyrule, I want to see some oppression. Instead of capturing people to use as bait, I want to see him kill someone to try and drive Link to the edge and make him careless. TP and WW helped this a little, but as it stands, Ganon seems to be too much of a classic "Curses! Foiled again!" kind of villain rather than a just plain evil person. Giving Ganon a truly evil personality would help make the player love him as a character and hate him as an enemy.