Behind the Rupees returns - Possibilities of a future Zelda

[Cody]

Possibilities - the Future of Zelda - Zelda Universe

This is my first go at a BtR article, I hope you like it. Corresponding Main Page news is here.

Any thoughts?

[Hugh]

Very nice. I liked the idea of being King of Hyrule, that game would be great!
I thought Behind the Rupees was gone!

[Erimgard]

I agree that Zelda needs some changes and needs to experiment more, but the idea of commanding troops seems a bit extreme for the Zelda series. To me, it would take away from the feel of the game too much and make it more like a Command and Conquer game.

I suppose you can interpret this different ways, or take it with a grain of salt, but Twilight Princess was said to be "the last game of it's kind". I expect some changes for the better, some new ideas, and some general experimenting in the new Zelda game, but I'd rather not be King of Hyrule.

[God of Twilight]

hm. I think it went too far. I, for one wouldn't want to play as Ganondorf. And I wouldn't want to play as the King of Hyrule either.

If that did happen, the core essence of Zelda would forever be contaminated. Yes, Zelda games need change. But they can change while still adhering to the core essence. Kinda like with what PH did:
PH had a few interesting changes, but it was still a Zelda game, and it had that "core Zelda" feel to it.

What that article was suggesting is that the core essence be radically changed. Signing treaties? Being an older adult Link?

I dunno, maybe its just me, but if Zelda games went to that extreme...

I do believe however, that a true Wii Zelda is coming soon

[Hugh]

Originally Posted by God of Twilight

hm. I think it went too far. I, for one wouldn't want to play as Ganondorf. And I wouldn't want to play as the King of Hyrule either.

If that did happen, the core essence of Zelda would forever be contaminated. Yes, Zelda games need change. But they can change while still adhering to the core essence. Kinda like with what PH did:
PH had a few interesting changes, but it was still a Zelda game, and it had that "core Zelda" feel to it.

What that article was suggesting is that the core essence be radically changed. Signing treaties? Being an older adult Link?

I dunno, maybe its just me, but if Zelda games went to that extreme...

I do believe however, that a true Wii Zelda is coming soon

Originally Posted by Erimgard

I agree that Zelda needs some changes and needs to experiment more, but the idea of commanding troops seems a bit extreme for the Zelda series. To me, it would take away from the feel of the game too much and make it more like a Command and Conquer game.

I suppose you can interpret this different ways, or take it with a grain of salt, but Twilight Princess was said to be "the last game of it's kind". I expect some changes for the better, some new ideas, and some general experimenting in the new Zelda game, but I'd rather not be King of Hyrule.

I think a game like that would be okay as long as it would be a spin off. I wouldn't want all Zelda games to be like that but it would be okay if it was just a spin off game. I like the idea, i hope the Zelda team do experiment a bit.

[Cody]

What I want is for Nintendo stop repeating the same game over again, and try something new. Whether it's not being born as some kind of humble farmer that's changed, or the very system of play, I'd like to see something different come out.

[God of Twilight]

Originally Posted by Cody

What I want is for Nintendo stop repeating the same game over again, and try something new. Whether it's not being born as some kind of humble farmer that's changed, or the very system of play, I'd like to see something different come out.

How many times is Link born as a farmer? Of course in TP he is, but...

LOZ: I dunno
AoL: Same Link as LOZ
ALttP: I dunno/knight maybe?
LA: Same as ALttP
OoT: Kokiri
MM: Same as OoT
OoX: I dunno
FS/FSA/MC: I dunno
WW: born in a regular village, not as a farmer
PH: Same as WW

Originally Posted by Hugh O

I think a game like that would be okay as long as it would be a spin off. I wouldn't want all Zelda games to be like that but it would be okay if it was just a spin off game. I like the idea, i hope the Zelda team do experiment a bit.

Oh, spin off...
Okay, sure. If it was a spin off, I'd be okay

[Cody]

Well, farmer isn't the right word, the point is that in basically every game he has a humble beginning as some sort of kid in a village. It's part of the storyline that isn't really that important to being a Zelda game, but is always tacked on as the same beginning story each game.

I mean, considering he saves the princess every game, it makes perfect sense that one of the Link+Zelda pairs would have at least had children, who would be royalty themselves.

[God of Twilight]

Originally Posted by Cody

Well, farmer isn't the right word, the point is that in every game he has a humble beginning as some sort of kid in a village. It's part of the storyline that isn't really that important to being a Zelda game, but is always tacked on as the same beginning story each game.

So?
I kinda like it. It gives the sense that Link starts out as a normal person, and ends the game being the hero of an entire world/land/kingdom

There are other things that could change.
Besides, starting out as the King of Hyrule is going overboard if you ask me

btw, sorry if I'm coming off rude.
I'm having a strange day

[Erimgard]

Well I'd always assumed you started out as 'nobody' if you will, with no parents who suddenly found himself in a wild adventure, because that's how Shigeru Miyamoto viewed his life. The games are supposed to let the player feel the same joy he felt when exploring the caves, rivers, and forests where he lived. While you may not need to have such humble beginning, I think it adds to the feel of the game.

[God of Twilight]

Originally Posted by Erimgard

Well I'd always assumed you started out as 'nobody' if you will, with no parents who suddenly found himself in a wild adventure, because that's how Shigeru Miyamoto viewed his life. The games are supposed to let the player feel the same joy he felt when exploring the caves, rivers, and forests where he lived. While you may not need to have such humble beginning, I think it adds to the feel of the game.

Exactly my point.

[Hugh]

Originally Posted by Erimgard

Well I'd always assumed you started out as 'nobody' if you will, with no parents who suddenly found himself in a wild adventure, because that's how Shigeru Miyamoto viewed his life. The games are supposed to let the player feel the same joy he felt when exploring the caves, rivers, and forests where he lived. While you may not need to have such humble beginning, I think it adds to the feel of the game.

I don't think it would hurt the series to change that for one game. At the start of PH, MM and AOL Link isn't a nobody. It could work.

[Erimgard]

I have no problem with Link being a little more well off in the beginning...I just don't like the idea of Link as a king

[gliderpilotgirl]

Originally Posted by Cody

What I want is for Nintendo stop repeating the same game over again, and try something new. Whether it's not being born as some kind of humble farmer that's changed, or the very system of play, I'd like to see something different come out.

Agreed. Link starting out with no background and as a nobody gets old...considering the amount of talk about his bloodline and parents..it actually seems some posters want to know where he came from. If that's the case, why not use it to give him special abilities to fight evil? If he's born into a family of Knights, ( like ALTTP ) why not start him out as a fully fledged knight, trained and all? And like you said, if he was even as high as the King..his powers would give a whole new angle to how he could fight evil..and make it more original than a mere boy with a sword. He's still Link, conquering a great evil, just by a different method.

And then there's the possibility of taking an established Link and throwing him into the role you mentionned, as a natural progression of his life. He's had his time as the lone swordsman, why not let him do more with his expanded knowledge and skill?

In terms of a playable Ganondorf...I like the idea of alternate playable characters, but I think Zelda would be a better choice, mainly because she's also a protagonist. The villian kind of has to be evil and that can't change for the plot to work. And the evil deeds he does I've not sure some players would want to do themselves. ( Think Grand Theft Auto and the criticism of some of the deeds ) As Zelda you'd have options like her magical skills etc.

[Cody]

Originally Posted by Erimgard

I have no problem with Link being a little more well off in the beginning...I just don't like the idea of Link as a king

Either way, the point of mentioning Link being in a position other than "peasant kid" is so that we can break away from this kind of story that I can pretty much guess the background plot of without having seen the game. I don't care if he's a King, a Knight, a Twili or a Mermaid, as long as changes are made.

[Hugh]

Originally Posted by gliderpilotgirl

Agreed. Link starting out with no background and as a nobody gets old...considering the amount of talk about his bloodline and parents..it actually seems some posters want to know where he came from. If that's the case, why not use it to give him special abilities to fight evil? If he's born into a family of Knights, ( like ALTTP ) why not start him out as a fully fledged knight, trained and all? And like you said, if he was even as high as the King..his powers would give a whole new angle to how he could fight evil..and make it more original than a mere boy with a sword. He's still Link, conquering a great evil, just by a different method.

And then there's the possibility of taking an established Link and throwing him into the role you mentionned, as a natural progression of his life. He's had his time as the lone swordsman, why not let him do more with his expanded knowledge and skill?

In terms of a playable Ganondorf...I like the idea of alternate playable characters, but I think Zelda would be a better choice, mainly because she's also a protagonist. The villian kind of has to be evil and that can't change for the plot to work. And the evil deeds he does I've not sure some players would want to do themselves. ( Think Grand Theft Auto and the criticism of some of the deeds ) As Zelda you'd have options like her magical skills etc.

I would like to play as Ganondorf but i really wouldn't like to play as Zelda. Playing as Ganondorf would be very interesting, i'd love to see a bit more about his origins. Zelda, i don't really see how that could be a good game at all, i mean the last time they tried that....it was bad.

[God of Twilight]

Originally Posted by Hugh O

I don't think it would hurt the series to change that for one game. At the start of PH, MM and AOL Link isn't a nobody. It could work.

No. They're the same Link's from LoZ, OoT, and WW. Each of which started out as "nobody"

Back to the point, of course Zelda needs some change, but what some of you are suggesting would corrupt the core essence of Zelda

[Hugh]

Originally Posted by God of Twilight

No. They're the same Link's from LoZ, OoT, and WW. Each of which started out as "nobody"

Back to the point, of course Zelda needs some change, but what some of you are suggesting would corrupt the core essence of Zelda

Yes but maybe the game were you are King of Hyrule could be set after a game where you start out as a nobody and in the end you become King of Hyrule.

[God of Twilight]

Originally Posted by Hugh O

Yes but maybe the game were you are King of Hyrule could be set after a game where you start out as a nobody and in the end you become King of Hyrule.

Hm. If Link eventually became the King thoughout the course of a new game, that could work

[Erimgard]

Originally Posted by Cody

Either way, the point of mentioning Link being in a position other than "peasant kid" is so that we can break away from this kind of story that I can pretty much guess the background plot of without having seen the game. I don't care if he's a King, a Knight, a Twili or a Mermaid, as long as changes are made.

Understood. Your article specifically honed in on the possibility of him being a king though, which is why I mentioned it.

I wouldn't mind a game where you were, say, a royal knight or in some sort of knight's training course. Unbeknown to you, you are actually the one chosen by the goddesses to wield the Triforce of Courage.
In a setting such as this, with a larger focus on civilization and less on battling [such as was shown in Majora's Mask, but could now be much, much better with the capabliities of the Wii] a great game could be made. A plot focused more on the people of Hyrule and less on the dungeons. A plot in which you are of some sort of rank [though I prefer the idea of a young link as a royal knight in-training over an already accomplished knight]
Could even climax it with Link becoming an official Hylian Knight