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To put it all simply:

I'd just like to say that Nintendo will never create another game that leaves the same impact on it's audience as Ocarina of Time did back in 1998. They tried this with Twilight Princess and it failed miserably in that respect.

They could create games that leave an impact as GREAT as OoT's, but never the same impact. This is why Zelda must part it's ways and should stop trying to be like OoT.

Get some great new artists working on the job and maybe Zelda will receive some great new innovation.

Thank-you for listening.

Originally Posted by Ganon the King

To put it all simply:

I'd just like to say that Nintendo will never create another game that leaves the same impact on it's audience as Ocarina of Time did back in 1998. They tried this with Twilight Princess and it failed miserably in that respect.

They could create games that leave an impact as GREAT as OoT's, but never the same impact. This is why Zelda must part it's ways and should stop trying to be like OoT.

Get some great new artists working on the job and maybe Zelda will receive some great new innovation.

Thank-you for listening.

Quoted for trueness!
I hope this set's and end to all those : OMG BBQ WOULD'NT IT BE AWSOME TO SEE ALTTP/OOT IN TP-GRAPHICS!!! threads.
We need a Zelda game that strays from the formula developed in aLttP, like MM did.
I'm not saying alttp, OoT or TP are bad games (I love all three of them) but it's about time the Zelda series get's some fresh ideas.

Disagree. Whenever there's a video game revelation, it's impossible to get the same feeling again, but you still try to. For example, Mario 64 was the Mario Revelation, but Shigeru still tried to get the same feeling in other Mario games. Guess what... he finally got as close as humanly possible to that revelation feeling with Super Mario Galaxy, or so I've heard. It's supposed to be the greatest Mario Game since 64. What I'm trying to say is that Nintendo won't give up on trying to get the Revelation feeling back in a Zelda game. They proved that with Mario. They will, eventually, get as humanly possible to the feeling some day. Give them time.

Originally Posted by devonm0

Disagree. They will, eventually, get as humanly possible to the feeling some day. Give them time.

But what if we don't want the same feeling over and over again? What if we want a brand new game that totally changes the concept of the Zelda series? That's what I want, I want to play a NEW game instead of the same old thing over and over again.

we never felt the same way about TP as we did about OoT... that doesn't mean other didn't. Ocarina was the first of the 3D Zelda games something new, something awesome. We're not gonna get that again, unless it's like... Zelda VR.

Also, for many of us, myself included, OoT was the first Zelda we ever played. Of course nothing's gonna beat that! TP was a better game -in itself- than OoT, but OoT still wins my heart because of the incredible amount of nostaligia, and how that game affected my 10-year old brain forever (inspiration).

Originally Posted by devonm0

Disagree. Whenever there's a video game revelation, it's impossible to get the same feeling again, but you still try to. For example, Mario 64 was the Mario Revelation, but Shigeru still tried to get the same feeling in other Mario games. Guess what... he finally got as close as humanly possible to that revelation feeling with Super Mario Galaxy, or so I've heard. It's supposed to be the greatest Mario Game since 64. What I'm trying to say is that Nintendo won't give up on trying to get the Revelation feeling back in a Zelda game. They proved that with Mario. They will, eventually, get as humanly possible to the feeling some day. Give them time.

Oh yeah. They tried that with TP and got no where. Also, there was a quote from Miyamoto or Anuema about how they were a bit disappointed with the sales of TP in Japan - maybe they've finally realised that a first time experience like that can't be recreated and maybe they should actually try and create something new for a change.

Also SM64 is a different case to that of OoT. SM64 throws you into many diverse worlds but is a light experience, OoT however, throws you into a deep world of fantasy. Both of these affects are different - to create a better Mario game that SM64 you need to update and innovate, then perfect. With Zelda, you can't recreate the affect OoT had on us. For example, Nintendo made a game called TP, that improved the graphics of OoT, improved it's sound, had a similar and more developed story and did a few other things to improve the quality of OoT. The problem was... there wasn't much to improve on - Level design and just about everything else was PERFECT, so trying to recreate a PERFECT game from 10 years ago is near impossible especially when your still using MIDI sound, no voice-acting and rehashing ideas that just seem old and no longer have the beautiful quality that OoT once had. The key was trying to create something that held the essence of Zelda but was totally different to OoT. I swear, if Nintendo experimented a little, they'd surprise themselves and that would be blowing us away.

Originally Posted by Ganon the King

To put it all simply:

I'd just like to say that Nintendo will never create another game that leaves the same impact on it's audience as Ocarina of Time did back in 1998. They tried this with Twilight Princess and it failed miserably in that respect.

They could create games that leave an impact as GREAT as OoT's, but never the same impact. This is why Zelda must part it's ways and should stop trying to be like OoT.

Get some great new artists working on the job and maybe Zelda will receive some great new innovation.

Thank-you for listening.

Ehrrtrrtemmerm...
I would have to disagree.

Twilight Princess was, well, in a sense like OoT, the start of a new era. It was the first T-Rated Zelda game, possibly preluding a darker followup for future games. TP satisfied a much wider range or gamers, too.

Twilight Princess carried in so many new Zelda fans. I have so many friends that are more of FPS gamers, yet, they bought TP. I mean, they wouldn't be caught dead with an adventure game, but they bought it, and loved it. I know some guys who like it so much they've gotten near the point of 100% completion, and this was really a fish-out-of-water feeling for them. I know a guy who is almost strictly against Zelda games, after getting stuck in WW and making it a letdown, but even he is considering getting TP for his new Wii. TP is a good game, we cannot deny that by picking out little details we didn't like, and minor repetitions in the story.

Originally Posted by Grumble Guru

Ehrrtrrtemmerm...
I would have to disagree.

Twilight Princess was, well, in a sense like OoT, the start of a new era. It was the first T-Rated Zelda game, possibly preluding a darker followup for future games. TP satisfied a much wider range or gamers, too.

Twilight Princess carried in so many new Zelda fans. I have so many friends that are more of FPS gamers, yet, they bought TP. I mean, they wouldn't be caught dead with an adventure game, but they bought it, and loved it. I know some guys who like it so much they've gotten near the point of 100% completion, and this was really a fish-out-of-water feeling for them. I know a guy who is almost strictly against Zelda games, after getting stuck in WW and making it a letdown, but even he is considering getting TP for his new Wii. TP is a good game, we cannot deny that by picking out little details we didn't like, and minor repetitions in the story.

First of all, I never said TP was a bad game. Also, what would some FPS gamers know about Zelda? If what you are saying is true, then TP was a game that re-used all the ideas of the old Zeldas, brought nothing new to the table and did not satisfy long-time Zelda fans but actually just introduced new fans to the series. The outcome: Nintendo's objective was to try and please the hardcore Zelda fan, yet they did the opposite thing and pleased the casual or the ones that would never touch a Zelda game.

OoT is overrated.


*FLEE*

Originally Posted by Shempy

OoT is overrated.


*FLEE*

you can flee, but not hide...

OoT CAN be surpassed, tough there are some fans who will never accept that a game is better than OoT, They said the same about Super Mario 64, that it couldn't be bettered, but I have to say that Galaxy completely surpassed it.

I hate how there a lot of people that blame TP for being a copy of OoT, even when their only relation was in 3 artefacts>master swords>more temples>ganon, you know, a Zelda game is not only that, most people only compare TP to OoT, and they say that it is a very bad game, if TP was out in the N64 with OoT graphics and gameplay, (with the features a 64 can have) and OoT was out recently, but with TP graphics and gameplay, I am very sure that people would have reacted to OoT in the same way they are reacting to TP now.

Originally Posted by Shempy

OoT is overrated.


*FLEE*

You're right there.
Too many fans glue themselves to that game as if it were their last lifeline. TP did bring new ideas to reality, like the wolf transformations, somewhat unique storyline, and more practical - and sometimes less practical - ocurrences. OoT did have that incredible and lasting impact and effect on its players, leaving them with an epic game. OoT's getting old around now, since there are so many more Zeldas for the world to play and enjoy.

And if I am correct, what did OoT do?
It dragged in more players.
And, at least in my point of view, it was easier than the 2-D games before it. 3-D Zeldas are typically much easier than any 2-Ds, and I've never been able to beat a 2-D Zelda game to this day, only the 3-Ds that I have.

hmm... I have to say, bringing in FPS players doesn't impress me. I DO know that a lot of kids that played TP at the same age as most of US played OoT were affected MUCH differently. This is going to sound lame, but I babysit a lot of kids, most of who are hooked on zelda (not MY doing of course.. =D) but complained about how TP scared the crap out of them... now I don't remember that feeling playing OoT, and I think it's sad that one of the msot loyal and impressionable groups of kids (8-11 year olds) are having to deal with darker story lines.

Yes, OoT could be dark, but at ten or so, some of it goes over your head... you know?

Get you torches and pitchforks ready becuase I'm going off into another rant thats gonna piss everyone off.
Look, the reason OOT had so much impact was becuase it was the first 3D zelda. If MM, WW, or TP had been the first 3D zelda thaey would be just as loved as OOT is now. OOT has been superceaded in quality (in my opinion) by every other 3D zelda since then (excluding PH, if that even counts). However people like you (no offence) are blinded by the fact that OOT showed the biggest change from the zelda before it. They automatically think its the best simply becuase it was the first to transition to 3D. The other great 3D zelda games have been ignored simply becuase people have already seen a 3D zelda.
OOT is a great game, but MM, WW, and TP were all better.

Now if they were to make a zelda that was like the star trek holodeck, then you would get the same response as you did with OOT. Of coarse, every zelda after it that uses the same technology will never be loved as much a the first even if they are better.

Originally Posted by Grumble Guru

Ehrrtrrtemmerm...
Twilight Princess was, well, in a sense like OoT, the start of a new era. It was the first T-Rated Zelda game, possibly preluding a darker followup for future games. TP satisfied a much wider range or gamers, too.

If ESRB were to re-do their rating on OoT it might end up being T also. For: violence, blood*, and strong agrivated yelling**

* the red flash when hit
** a joke

Originally Posted by ShiekahSage

Get you torches and pitchforks ready becuase I'm going off into another rant thats gonna piss everyone off.
Look, the reason OOT had so much impact was becuase it was the first 3D zelda. If MM, WW, or TP had been the first 3D zelda thaey would be just as loved as OOT is now. OOT has been superceaded in quality (in my opinion) by every other 3D zelda since then (excluding PH, if that even counts). However people like you (no offence) are blinded by the fact that OOT showed the biggest change from the zelda before it. They automatically think its the best simply becuase it was the first to transition to 3D. The other great 3D zelda games have been ignored simply becuase people have already seen a 3D zelda.
OOT is a great game, but MM, WW, and TP were all better.
Now if they were to make a zelda that was like the star trek holodeck, then you would get the same response as you did with OOT. Of coarse, every zelda after it that uses the same technology will never be loved as much a the first even if they are better.

If MM was the first Zedla Game I would not be here right now, because I would have quit and given up on the whole series. (I was six)

I hate this theory of people being Awed by 3d graphics. its simply not the case in my mind anyway. I happen to think that Link to the Past is better then most of the zelda series and its probably the WORST looking one. I also think that mario 3 is more fun then Mario64.

I guess some people can be bought with graphics, but my love for OoT came from its great storyline and its great FEEL!... its HEART.

TP felt like it was made by a machine with a checklist that was fed into it by nintendo. then they just walked away and let it do its thing.

Dungeon's? X
Link X
Fairies X
Sword X
Heart containers X
Zoras X
Gorons X
Theme Music X
Different graphics then last zelda X

*ERRRRRRRRRRRRRP* *Processing*....ERRRRRRRRP **PUKE** hey look...the machine coughed out a game called.....

TWILIGHT PRINCESS!!!

Too bad they forgot to add character development, hummor, interesting dialog, anything that creates human EMOTION.

3d graphics are nothing. I love OoT cuz it trancends time. it makes me feel like im there when im playing it, i feel detached from the human world. Its how i want to feel when im playing a Zelda game. MM and WW did a great job of it as well.

LinkToMyAss: Go play the game again and tell me there was no humor or developement. And MM was freaky and weird.

Originally Posted by Linktomyass

Too bad they forgot to add character development, hummor, interesting dialog, anything that creates human EMOTION.

3d graphics are nothing. I love OoT cuz it trancends time. it makes me feel like im there when im playing it, i feel detached from the human world. Its how i want to feel when im playing a Zelda game. MM and WW did a great job of it as well.

TP was the first zelda to have anything like a storyline.
Before, zeldas had a story similar to the ones found in most FPSs. They work, but are shallow and are just there to provide a reason for what your doing.
The vast majority off the zeldas before (excluding MM, WW, LA, and to some extent OOT) the story's only use was to give you a reason to go to a dungeon. TP broke free of that crutch. The characters were well developed, expressed believable emotions, had engrossing dialogue, and most importantly: A REASON FOR LINK TO BE DOING WHAT HE IS!!!!

The reason provided in most zeldas before to do to a dungeon were usually along the lines off "Uhhh, Yeah, theres something thats dang nasty evil in there and you have to like, uhh kill it".

In this case I agree with ShiekahSage, I actually wanted to help the characters. (Freaky but true until I remember that it's a game.)

Originally Posted by Ganon the King

To put it all simply:

I'd just like to say that Nintendo will never create another game that leaves the same impact on it's audience as Ocarina of Time did back in 1998. They tried this with Twilight Princess and it failed miserably in that respect.

They could create games that leave an impact as GREAT as OoT's, but never the same impact. This is why Zelda must part it's ways and should stop trying to be like OoT.

Get some great new artists working on the job and maybe Zelda will receive some great new innovation.

Thank-you for listening.

I didn't know you had a time machine that lets you go to the future and see which games made an impact.

well, as this topic always seems to do. I supposed it comes down to matter of opinion. I believe that OoT had better character development. I found the characters in TP to be overbearing and fake, cliche! yes they had dialog but i didn't believe any of it. therefore i felt nothing for them... especialy the little kids.... god.... i wanted to kill them myself! so annoying. so obvious and sitcom cliche. "aww, they were cute and funny!" no they weren't they were stupid and obvious like.... like the words they said were put together by Nintendo in a vast attempt to make you EMOTE.... felt cheesy. hated them and pretty much all the other characters, also didn't like midna.

Link in wolf form.... it didn't feel much different, it felt like all they did was change the game code and re-skinned link, he couldnt do anything dynamic as a wolf. He could run/attack woooooo big change, why don't i just stay as link? hell, i could have done without ALL that extra coding and given link a *twilight sword* and it would have been EXACTLY the same as far as the storyline goes. Heck, the grapple hook in PH was more innovative then the wolf idea.

again, im not trying to flame. I'm stating how i felt when i played the game. I'm frustraited out of love, i wanted to love TP, i WANT to move on from OoT i wish TP had done that for me. I purposely DIDN'T read game magazines about TP and didn't watch trailers of TP so i would be totaly surprised when i put it in my Wii.

I dunno.... maybe i should give it another try again, maybe i'd like it better on Gamecube. When i played it with the wii i turned off all the Wii functions exept for links sword attacks. and PLEASE don't say "well thats why you hated it" cuz if the wiimote is the only thing that made this game better then OoT, i'll pass.