The Futuristic Zelda thread

You want pro-future arguments:

•It will be a change from the same setting in every Zelda title
•It would add a new twist to the story, therefore making every plot turn new and exciting
•It will give another perspective of what a fantasy world turns into after the Middle-Ages

But there are also the cons (which I am doing my best to try to fix so that the game will play well):

•Intense speculation on the very idea itself (hence the the arguments and the warnings Rhalen and I got)
•If executed poorly, the essence of what Zelda is will go down the drain and the game will only be Zelda in title (as Rhalen said before)

There are good and bad points to this idea. I am working to make the good overcome the bad to make a game that is still Zelda, but with a radical twist. I'm not about to say it will be easy, but it can be done...

Originally Posted by JanDeis

You want pro-future arguments:

•It will be a change from the same setting in every Zelda title

In a bad way

•It would add a new twist to the story, therefore making every plot turn new and exciting

New and exciting? How about just like every other fantasy gone future game?

•It will give another perspective of what a fantasy world turns into after the Middle-Ages

Another as in already been done, as in we would be copying other games, as in Zelda would lose what makes it great, aka originality.

But there are also the cons (which I am doing my best to try to fix so that the game will play well):

Good luck with that (you'll desperately need it)

•Intense speculation on the very idea itself (hence the the arguments and the warnings Rhalen and I got)

Oh so you got a warning too? I'm glad we have a mod staff that will take action when things get out of hand aren't you? (I say it's about time, I've gotten away with a lot)

•If executed poorly, the essence of what Zelda is will go down the drain and the game will only be Zelda in title (as Rhalen said before)

Even when executed well theres a chance of Zelda essence going dead.

There are good and bad points to this idea. I am working to make the good overcome the bad to make a game that is still Zelda, but with a radical twist. I'm not about to say it will be easy, but it can be done...

Mostly bad I asy. Good luck overcoming them all. Radical twist as in fulll 180. Won't be easy, and whether or not it can be done isn't the question. Can you do it? is

Originally Posted by Rhalen

Can you do it?

I do have game programming experience. Although those games were mostly very simple (ie. no 3D), I am learning how to use C# more every time I open the program up. If I continue at this rate, I will be able to make this game, although not alone, which is why I'm trying so hard to prove that it is a good idea.

To tell you the truth, I think this is mostly just your opinion Rhalen. Though, isn't all of this someone or another's opinion? Let's try this:

Instead of telling me why my idea sucks so bad () what would you do in my shoes to make it better (while still keeping the future setting)?

Originally Posted by JanDeis

I do have game programming experience. Although those games were mostly very simple (ie. no 3D), I am learning how to use C# more every time I open the program up. If I continue at this rate, I will be able to make this game, although not alone, which is why I'm trying so hard to prove that it is a good idea.

To tell you the truth, I think this is mostly just your opinion Rhalen. Though, isn't all of this someone or another's opinion? Let's try this:

Instead of telling me why my idea sucks so bad () what would you do in my shoes to make it better (while still keeping the future setting)?

Quit

Originally Posted by Rhalen

Quit

You need to calm down for a second...
I wouldn't doubt, if nintendo made this you would be giving them a BJ right now.
-So long as they keep the same feel and timeline of zelda but just change the environment.

Originally Posted by JanDies

I'm using C# and XNA

Thats kinda interesting cuz I downloaded that program a while back but never really got into it well...
I even bought 2 books for C# and XNA

I have it on my computer, so long as I know the coding that we are going to be using and a place to find the snippets and the appropiate way to edit it so it fits in with everything else. I think I can help.

Do you have a forum setup for this discussion?
Or are you using your Nayru forum?

well... in anycase...
I realized how similar futuristic Zelda and Zone of enders would be...
And Since zone of enders is one of the best games ever...
I wonder if it should be a Zelda eaque story line with more of a Zone of Enders feel....

But I doubt that would happen....... Since I'm sure a better story could be thought about...

Originally Posted by Rhalen

Quit

That means you still haven't answered my question...

Originally Posted by formula1

Do you have a forum setup for this discussion?
Or are you using your Nayru forum?

As of right now, this topic is the only place I am discussing this. The PNayru forums are a totally different game (that one is a 2D game set in Rhalen's sacred medieval ages). After the Project_Nayru games gets finished, I will probably move discussion about my game elsewhere. Although this thread can stay for the purpose of...well I don't really know anymore seeing as anyone can twist the thread topic around to what they like...

But for now, I am experimenting with XNA Game Studio 2 and C# and working on another game that has development priority over this idea for now.

Originally Posted by JanDeis

That means you still haven't answered my question...


As of right now, this topic is the only place I am discussing this. The PNayru forums are a totally different game (that one is a 2D game set in Rhalen's sacred medieval ages). After the Project_Nayru games gets finished, I will probably move discussion about my game elsewhere. Although this thread can stay for the purpose of...well I don't really know anymore seeing as anyone can twist the thread topic around to what they like...

But for now, I am experimenting with XNA Game Studio 2 and C# and working on another game that has development priority over this idea for now.

Anything in particular I should look at or any sites that a better to help me learn it?
Honestly, I don't know if you know about zone of enders, but it uses the L-targeting system aswell and I almost feel like it would be more fun to play then a futuristic Zelda game.
-Much more freedom of movement... extremely fast paced...
Multiplayer
Speed Run

However... the Zelda game is probably your passion... Personally though I'm going to look into this...

Originally Posted by formula1

Anything in particular I should look at or any sites that a better to help me learn it?

XNA Development: Game Development for the masses

XNA Resources - XNA Tutorials, GSE Tutorials, XNA News, Game Studio Express News

Game Theory : Building a 3D Game in XNA From Scratch - Free Video Tutorial Series Now Available!

The first link is very basic stuff in XNA Game Studio 2.0, the second is slightly more advanced, and the third on has to do with creating a 3D game from scratch. Ignore that it is instructions to make a Guitar Hero rip-off, the skills are the same for any 3D game.

Originally Posted by Prince Deity

2 of us? let us count...

JanDeis, formula1, Haunt, Prince Deity (me)

Um, 3 against us 4...

And, last I checked, this thread is only about discussing ideas for a future Zelda Game... There is NOTHING about saying "no" in any way. If you don't like the idea, then don't post, It's as simple as that. *looks at Rhalen* But we should get back on topic, we should be discussing ideas for a future Zelda game, not flaming the idea. AND there will NOT be modern dungeons. You would know this if you read the posts *looks at Rhalen again*. Link goes down to the old part of Hyrule and goes to ancient Dungeons, Jan said NOTHING about military bases or any of that. Please, Read the posts, and if you want to discuss the story, read the spoilers. I know that the person who didn't want the biker, has not read the spoilers. If you can't find that one, here it is again:

The Biker is Zelda. Its like a future version of Sheik.

EDIT: And Link was not thrown into this world. Link was born into it, that is how he knows how to work everything. May I remind you, Link is constantly being reincarnated. It is not as if it is the same Link in all the games.

It still doesnt make sense to me how Hyrule can always be mideval, then suddenly become "futuristic".

Originally Posted by God of Twilight

It still doesnt make sense to me how Hyrule can always be mideval, then suddenly become "futuristic".

Umm, then why aren't we still back in the Dark Ages? Or back in Ancient times when the Roman Empire controlled all of Europe? Every civilization in history either advanced, or got wiped out by another civilization. Why shouldn't this also apply to Hyrule?

That was, um, unneeded...

Oh well. Lets just leave all that crap to the mods guys. Prince and Rhalen, I'm tired of arguing. I really feel like spending more time actually making my game instead of arguing why it is a good idea. I'm just not going to reply to anymore of the pointless "Zelda doesn't belong in the future!!!!" posts. Before you take that as a crack on you Rhalen, you do have good points, but I myself believe that a future Zelda could work. And not only work, but work well. And with that, I withdraw from this pointless argument (all it will keep doing is go back & forth between side A and side B) and focus on how future Zelda will work...

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Ok. Now that that is over with, I can focus on the actual game that I'm planning...

I've covered so far that Link was a young monk-ish guy that lived at the church in the under-city. Ganondorf is stealing the medallions (which have religious, historical, and magical importance) and he is going to incite a war from inside the government.

I have also covered head items.

I would go over my new ideas, but I have to get going. I will post my next set of ideas tomorrow.

What did you expect to get as replies to something like this? Great huge banners that proclaiming you the most brilliant person ever?

You will get this from the majority of the Zelda community in general.

If you want to create a futuristic game, then make a futuristic game. Just leave the Zelda part out of it. Your project will get more respect and would completly make any arguement from zelda fans pointless, because it is no longer a zelda game.

Create your own mythology behind the game, your own characters with their personality. You can even create and mold the world to your liking. If you ever felt like having a God Complex, heres your freaking chance.

That would be your best option if you are serious about making this. Having it revolved around Zelda are only chains that bind you.

Ditch the Zelda and make a fantasy/futuristic game to your desire.

I still say a Steampunk Zelda game would rock.

Originally Posted by JanDeis

That was, um, unneeded...

You try getting ordered around by people who are far less experienced than you, and see how you like it. It has happened far too many times in this thread, and I am sick of it.

Now, Tarzyl is right. Ditch the Zelda name. Make your own game. It's that simple. It's the consensus of the Zelda community that we like medieval. No questions.

Originally Posted by Rhalen

You try getting ordered around by people who are far less experienced than you, and see how you like it. It has happened far too many times in this thread, and I am sick of it.

Now, Tarzyl is right. Ditch the Zelda name. Make your own game. It's that simple. It's the consensus of the Zelda community that we like medieval. No questions.

Hm.......
Or he can keep the Zelda title.... just like he could lose it...........
<.<
Theres two sides to this story (maybe more), I suppose unless someone can come up with a better idea without causing turmoil in the creator, a futuristic Zelda game isn't so bad...

Thus...... we are at a stand still... until this becomes a thread about making a better storyline then futuristic Zelda.

Originally Posted by JanDeis

Umm, then why aren't we still back in the Dark Ages? Or back in Ancient times when the Roman Empire controlled all of Europe? Every civilization in history either advanced, or got wiped out by another civilization. Why shouldn't this also apply to Hyrule?

did you ever realize how in EVERY Zelda game, each location, Hyrule/Termina/Holodrum/Labrynna/Great Sea...every one of these places is set in medival times. Perhaps that's just how the Zelda world is. I mean, the time difference between OoT and WW is big, yet they make 0 technological advances. In fact, they practically devolve...

Now, if some zelda theorists are right, and other previously released games take place afterwards, that would mean Hyrule never exceeds beyond "medival" times.

So, a medival setting is just a part of Zelda. It's a part of what makes it Zelda.

And...Tazryl is right. The overall opinion of the Zelda community would not like a futuristic Zelda game, at least 1 like you're suggesting.

It just does not work for a Zelda game. It would work great for an original game.

Originally Posted by Prince Deity

2 of us? let us count...

JanDeis, formula1, Haunt, Prince Deity (me)

Um, 3 against us 4...

And, last I checked, this thread is only about discussing ideas for a future Zelda Game... There is NOTHING about saying "no" in any way. If you don't like the idea, then don't post, It's as simple as that. *looks at Rhalen* But we should get back on topic, we should be discussing ideas for a future Zelda game, not flaming the idea. AND there will NOT be modern dungeons. You would know this if you read the posts *looks at Rhalen again*. Link goes down to the old part of Hyrule and goes to ancient Dungeons, Jan said NOTHING about military bases or any of that. Please, Read the posts, and if you want to discuss the story, read the spoilers. I know that the person who didn't want the biker, has not read the spoilers. If you can't find that one, here it is again:

The Biker is Zelda. Its like a future version of Sheik.

EDIT: And Link was not thrown into this world. Link was born into it, that is how he knows how to work everything. May I remind you, Link is constantly being reincarnated. It is not as if it is the same Link in all the games.

I don't see the word "ideas" in the thread title... sounds to me like a generic title in which you can list both reasons for and against it. Don't post in here if you don't like the idea? I have an opinion too and it's that it's a bad idea.

Originally Posted by Tazryl

It just does not work for a Zelda game. It would work great for an original game.

Or it will work... And Zelda shouldn't be created for the Midieval era....

Like I said...
Unless you have a more interesting alternative...
I think we're at a standstill... In terms of whether or not its a good idea...