Changes in the Zelda series for TP

There's been alot of talk about the upcoming Zelda Twilight Princess and talk that Zelda will become a more teen/adult oriented series. Now I believe that the surest sigh of maturity is the fact that someone/something isn't wiling to change. The Zelda series doesn't need extreme gore or vulgar language to get better. It doesn't need to get better at all. In fact the only thing that should be improved on is the character design. Also, in the upcoming game I would like to see Link "mature" through character development, and Gannon should have more of an origional character behind him. What do you think general public?

Originally Posted by zelda may cry

Now I believe that the surest sigh of maturity is the fact that someone/something isn't wiling to change.

Yes. We all hate change... but WW will always be immature for me regaurdless if it was a outstanding game.

Originally Posted by zelda may cry

The Zelda series doesn't need extreme gore or vulgar language to get better. It doesn't need to get better at all. In fact the only thing that should be improved on is the character design.

Your right, your absolutly right. The series does not need any gore or vulgar language. It just needs to stay cool looking, like TP is. But improvement in gameplay is always welcomed - not graphical changes.

I agree with you.The series doesn't need extreme gore or vulgar language to get better.Leave that to RE.I think what should happen is that the game moves on.Link should get older witch is I guess what is happening in TP.

Originally Posted by shady

I agree with you.The series doesn't need extreme gore or vulgar language to get better.Leave that to RE.I think what should happen is that the game moves on.Link should get older witch is I guess what is happening in TP.

Yes, I can't wait to be Link when he's 95 years old!

The problem is, you really can't tell if there will be blood and gore and more violence than before. Sure, they are seemingly making this game more realistic, but that doesn't mean they're going overboard.

To sum it up: It may have a darker look to it, but that doesn't mean every dark game has bloody zombies that spill guts when killed. Nor, I'm sure, does it always include swearing. (though Nintendo took a real jump off the deep end when they allowed Shadow the hedgehog say "darn" *not darn, the bad one* when he died. It's a game for kids for god's sake)

*please excuse my reluctance to say a swear word. As with Zelda games and many others, I find such language to be insulting, no matter what the topic or generalization*

Originally Posted by zelda may cry

There's been alot of talk about the upcoming Zelda Twilight Princess and talk that Zelda will become a more teen/adult oriented series. Now I believe that the surest sigh of maturity is the fact that someone/something isn't wiling to change. The Zelda series doesn't need extreme gore or vulgar language to get better. It doesn't need to get better at all. In fact the only thing that should be improved on is the character design. Also, in the upcoming game I would like to see Link "mature" through character development, and Gannon should have more of an origional character behind him. What do you think general public?

That's something I've always defended as well. I'm not afraid of changes per se, but I'm afraid of changes within the essence of Zelda that result in a more mainstream game, stripping it away of its magic and replacing it with more vulgar and obscene content. Still, I don't believe that the changes implemented in TP will go as far as destroying the franchise's true fantasy roots. I'm thinking it will be something in the lines of Majora's Mask (which in spite of all the pretty colours, had a gloomy and depressive atmosphere written all over it...) but heightened just a bit because of the transition to more realistic and detailed graphics. Everything we've seen so far of the game seems to verify this theory. It's true that the enemies look more menacing than ever but they're not scary at all and the text used in the demo was very polished and polite. Link is a bit more violent within the fights (the downward stab is an exemple of that!) but overall, TP seems to play like any other Zelda... only the end result will be better and unprecedented in any way! I'm sure of it!

I think there should be something done with Ganondorf. He should have his own story. Instead of him being a vicious, greedy word-dominator, he should have tried to taken Hyrule for a reason that doesn't involve only himself. Have him be like he was in tWW, where you almost feel sorry for him!

Think of it this way, if Ganondorf gets a good story line the reason he becomes evil and wants to take over Hyrule is because he is tired of having females over rule him, for most of his life you could assume that Ganondorf was brought up around females(the Gerudos are a race that consists of almost all females and a male is born almost every 100 years) because he felt over shadowed for the most part he seeks to gain more power and over come them.

or something like that.

also Zelda should never have foul language maybe damn and such every so often but nothing big, it would probably make me want to play it less.

I think if there were cuss words, only people like Ganondorf should use them, and even if he does it shouldn't be shocking. Maybe whispering "Damn" under his breath or something just as he's about to be destroyed, but nothing else.

Considering Zelda is set back in olden times, I doubt they would use cusswords as they really weren't used back in those times, except Hell, but only when referring to the place.

Cussing isn't necesary as there are so many better and stronger words out there.

I would actually prefer...TP have blood shed, or have something come out of them to act as blood, I think it would make it better more exteme in the realism department...this is just what I think...dont hurt me!

I would like to see more of the Keaton just because he was a bit underplayed in other games, plus I want to see how he'd like in TP's style.

Midna looks creepy to me.

Also, I think (well, it's going to happen anyways) that a bit of romance wouldn't help.

Also, I hope they use Ritos again in another Zelda game.

Cussing is a definit no-no, but blood and gore have, in a way, been a part of Zelda since OOT. Remember the well and shadow temple? There was blood all over the place, suggesting torture. Ganon and Ganondorf actually spilled blood when you defeated them. (only the american version if I remember correctly)

It's not the same level of blood and gore as in games like God of war, but it has it to a certain degree.

(excuse me for any incorrect use of words)

I dont mind some blood, but to much will kinda ruin it. Although i wouldnt mind after a huge fight and your in the same area the grass would be stained blood for awhile.

Iroas is right, the shadow temple/well was full of bloody walls and stuff.

but now i wonder what the well/shadow temple were used for.

Originally Posted by Lonepichu

Considering Zelda is set back in olden times, I doubt they would use cusswords as they really weren't used back in those times, except Hell, but only when referring to the place.

Cussing isn't necesary as there are so many better and stronger words out there.

They did have swear/cusswords, just different ones to us.

And, Iroas, the blood when Ganondorf was defeated was only in the (correct me if I'm wrong) v.1 of the game, but Nintendo changed the colour to green in late versions because of complaints.

Anyway, I think we will see some mild gore (anyone remember that part of one of the trailers with all those ghosts in a well-type area?) but nothing major, or 'offensive'. As for swearwords, I think we can safely saythey won't be in it.

Originally Posted by Iroas

Cussing is a definit no-no, but blood and gore have, in a way, been a part of Zelda since OOT. Remember the well and shadow temple? There was blood all over the place, suggesting torture. Ganon and Ganondorf actually spilled blood when you defeated them. (only the american version if I remember correctly)

It's not the same level of blood and gore as in games like God of war, but it has it to a certain degree.

(excuse me for any incorrect use of words)

Hmm, I don't recall any blood in the Shadow Temple . . . and yes, Ganondorf does spit up blood when you kill him for the first time. Also, when you attack enemies, they sometimes spill blood bubbles.

Ooops, I'm going off topic.

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell, I don't think it would be toooooooo bad if there was a little more blood in the Zelda games (please don't hurt me). As long as it's not, ya know, extreme, like blowing off someone's head with a bomb, or using your sword to chop off an innocent NPC's arm. Link swearing, though, I can dig.

"God dammit! That piece of **** is so ****in' bad***!"

On second thought, maybe not . . .

We don't need bloody guts, gore, or swearing to make the game mature.

All we need is atmosphere.

I don't care how 'kiddy' a game looks, if it has the right atmosphere, it can be incredibly mature. And I don't care how 'adult' a game looks, if it doesn't have the right atmosphere, it might as well be a crayon scribble done by a 2 year old.

It's all about the atmosphere, or more specifically, the player's perspective of that atmosphere.

Unforunately, there are people out there who will be so stubborn as to mentally ruin the game for themselves. They'll expect blood and swearing, and dismiss it as 'immature' if these things don't appear. That makes me sad.

So I hope future Zelda games continue to have amazing atmosphere. You guys know what I'm talking about.

Yes, there was blood in Oot. The Shadow Temple and when you defeated Ganondorf, mostly. Since TP is rated Teen, I suspect there is going to be blood, more of it at least. The attack system is more violent like the WW, but Nintendo improved it since E3 and they stated that it was since then even more violent. I really do hope there is some blood in TP, as it kind of upsets me when everything's happy and innocent all the time. We all know that the world isn't like that! Too much blood and gore would definately ruin the game, though.

I swear more than George Bush gets laughed at, but in Zelda... that would completely ruin the essence of it. It would ruin the magic of the game. Maybe im trying to escape the real world (as you might be as well) but if thats what im doing, then fine. I love it and dont want it to change.

Blood stained walls is about the most gore we need. Perhaps ReDeads' mouths dripping a little blood after they suck on Link's head (Woah, that did not sound right. ReDeads sucking on Link's head? Sounds like hentai or something, if you ask me.), but that's just for realism's sake.

We must take into consideration that TP WILL be rated T, so it's going to be different than all the other Zeldas. TP having just as much gore as OoT would be unlogical, as OoT was rated E. We simply have to ask ourselves why TP was given a T rating, and maybe our dispute can be solved.