TP moved to Revolution?

hi guys, i havnt been here in AGES! glad to be back.

i have this feeling nintendo have moved Tp to rev.

now, in alot of ways i see this being a very smart move from nintendo, let me explain why.


As for as im aware, nintendo have stated time and time again Tp is a set debut for GCN. Thats cool, im fine about that, the quicker we get to play it the better right? Miyamoto has stated time and time again also that TP is ready for GCN. If it where realeased on the time frame nintendo sugested we would be playing it this month.

Nintendo have said they wish to delay it in order to add new features to make it an even better gameplay experience, all in all... thats fine by me again.

but anyway... moving TP to rev....!

First of all, this dosnt really matter as to why i think its been moved but, has nintendo ever had a console debut with all of its KEY franchise characters?

Twilight Princess has been promised to us gamers that it will be on Gcn, moving it to REV is a very smart business decision.. Why u ask?

Imagine picking up the REV with ssb3 MP3 MARIO and TP.
and various 3rd party games.
that right there is the greatest line up ive ever seen, u may not agree tho.

The GCN is on its last legs now, there isnt much more coming for it.( u cant deny that fact ppl)

realeasing Tp on GCN is a great way of going out with a Final big BANG.
That is true, but stupid decision if you ask me.

There is no point on realeasing tp on GCN anymore, and now that we all know its been pushed back to after march 06, it would be wiser to put it on REV.

ask your self this... are u willing to buy rev anyway?
Are you willing enough to buy tp for rev? i know i am.
Nintendo would be wiser to move it onto REV.

Imagine the sales they will get from it?
At he end of the day, its all about gameplay for nintendo, but u cant ignore the reality, they need more market share, and they need their NAME out there alot stronger.

Tp on rev dosnt actualy need any gameplay features that apply to the new controler, it dosnt matter to me if it has or not. tho i hope it dosnt.

Nintendo are going to realease a Shell with rev anyway, and we all have GCN contolers.
But what about the ppl that dont have GCN pads?
well again, the shell is there for that.

Im willing enough to wait for tp on rev, i really want to play it, no doubt.
But waiting an extra few months is ok by me.


Maybe i havnt given you guys enough as to why i think its been moved,
but honnestly, i hope it has been moved to rev,
there may be alot dissapointed fans out there.

but i dont care to be honnest.
Picking up REVO with zelda mario mp ssb... that right there is a great launch day, and a great day for us nintendo fans.

later#

Well, they have stated that its going to be for the NGC, And I hope they don't make Tp for the rev, because I bought the NGC because of TP.

Twilight Princess is driven by the Wind Waker engine. If it was moved to Revolution they would have built a new engine from the ground up to accommodate with the new hardware/controller. It's the main reason why TP is going to kick ass, because they didn't have to invest all that time in the engine and could spend more time on the game itself. From that point of view it's a very wise decision.

But don't worry, you'll get your Revolution Zelda title, if history is any indication, a year or so into the Rev's lifespan.

all i can do is agree. i also have an xbox, and there were so many demands for halo 2, they had to bring it out early, and it wasnt as good as it could have been.i'm not saying it sucked or anything, but there was alot more that could have been done to it to make it a smash hit for microsoft. so i hope the same thing doesnt happen to twilight princess. i dont give a damn what console it comes out on. i have a Gamecube, and i fully intend to get myself a Revo. if they need another YEAR to make a better, then go ahead! i want this to be the biggest and best of the nintendo games. this game should be the cream of the crop. all i want is for nintendo to finally and fully outdo it's competitor's. and hey, who knows? they may be trying to add some of the other zelda games onto it. hell i would love that. if they released TP with all zelda games made, i dont care if it would cost an extra hundred quid! as before said, give ninty the time they need, and watch the other corporations make very few sales. they may end up as sega. having to sell their games to ninty and hope the get published. and also, i reckon the Revo will be a smash hit. it'll probably have a brand new top-notch graphic's chip in it, that'll make games feel more realistic. hell, maybe they'll make it to where links hair will actually blow about in the breeze! maybe the rain will sound so real, you'll find yourself with your umbrella over your head. but for the last time! give ninty the time they need, and i promse you, it'll be worth the time.

first of all, it dosnt matter about the engine, not in any way at all.

its just a simple port to REV, as all gcn games will be playible on rev.

and like i said, it dosnt matter about the rev's controler, they will realease it with a shell, and we still have our GCN pads which will work on rev.

clearly u did not take into account what i said.

also miyamoto said REV's tool kits are very very close as to what Gcn's were.
Tp was designed and built on GCN hardware.. so what?
I can 100% acurately say TP will sell twice of what it would on rev compared to GCN. thats is a fact.

not because its better hardware, or a new console,
because miilions of nintendo fans wll be buying rev, and as will non gamers.
Non gamers right now will not buy a GCN for many reasons,
outdated,boring,complicated.

i admit, GCN as of right now is boring me. i have nothing to look forward too.
if tp is still set for GCN, happy days!!.

It dosnt matter how powerful REV will be, i dont care at all, i dont mind great grfx,but what u said about realestic grfx and links hair blowing? and rain droops?

it dosnt matter about those, yes.. we will have our TRUE zelda revolution game in a year or so, and i gues for all we know we could get it sooner than that.

Ok i agree, miyamoto has put more work into Tp than any other game he has done, he has said this himself.

honnestly it dosnt matter what system its on... but if i were nintendo i would realease it on rev, its the smartest move they can produce for this product.

Originally Posted by Mr_Aonuma

honnestly it dosnt matter what system its on... but if i were nintendo i would realease it on rev, its the smartest move they can produce for this product.

Untrue, and I'll tell you why. Many people have bought Gamecubes solely for the sake of buying TP (trust me, I know a few of these people--one of them's up there). Iwata, Miyamoto, and Aonuma have all repeatedly stated, 'TP will be a GCN title, and will not be a Rev title.' These words in themselves don't mean much, but they also stated that they will not even consider porting TP to the Rev. Not in so many words, of course, but still to the same effect. To suddenly turn around and say, "Hey, guess what?" would be betraying the fans who had spent so much time waiting for the game and looking forward to it.

As you've probably noticed, Mr. Aonuma, the hype generated for Twilight Princess has been dying for a little over a month. And there are still at least five months to go until the expected release. Hype is almost gone, now, and there is very little they can do to bring it back short of a huge wave of information. If we don't see a trailer by February, I think I can safely say that the hype for TP will be completely gone. What else does TP have going for it? Reputation? Hell, no! After tWW, everyone thinks Nintendo is kiddy. Personally, I loved tWW with a passion, and I'm planning another play-through (I went back and completed OoT, Master Quest, still working on MM, and about to do another run on tWW--consider it training). But you can't deny that tWW gave the Zelda series a bad name because of its unusual graphical style. I bear no animosity toward it, but it wouldn't be difficult to find someone who did. So if the hype for TP completely dies out, Nintendo will lose a large number of sales. Hype doesn't last years, Mr. Aonuma. I shouldn't have to tell you that.

Another thing: hardware. Sure, they could just port TP over to the Rev. Then we'd have another GCN OoT with crappy gameplay mechanics as a result. You have to remember that these are two completely different consoles. Simply porting past-gen games to new systems will have negative results. It would have taken... what? ... a month, tops, to fix the sound irregularities in MM for the Collector's Edition disk. They could have just set a small team to work on it, to fix what they could and just send it to Miyamoto's desk. The only reasonable possibility is that there were so many errors presented by trying to fix the programming that they couldn't do a thing without dealing the game a far more severe blow than otherwise. Thus is the downside of porting. Remember, these systems operate in very, very, very different ways. It doesn't matter how you slice it, they'd have to completely redesign TP in order to be fully compatible with the Rev.

Some ZU'ers in the past have said that they'd rather see a Zelda designed exclusively for the Revolution, rather than one that was just whisked away to fit a brand new system and leave the past-gen console threadbare. I agree with them on several aspects. If the GCN is gonna die, it'll have to go out with a bang! Twilight Princess is just the game to get the job done. I'd much rather see a Zelda designed specifically to be played on the Revolution with a type of gameplay we've never seen before. You can't take advantage of the Revolution's revolutionary specs with Zelda as it is now. Trust me, it would be much better if we waited for a game that took full advantage of the next-gen system. Besides, the developers have said that TP will be the last Zelda of its kind, and I want to see that dream fulfilled before we move on to the bigger and better. The more experience the crew has with making a truly quality game, the better prepared for Revolution they will be.

then i feel sorry for those who have gone out to buy a gcn for Tp, my heary goes out to them.

still what you say dosnt make me think twice.
sure everything u have said makes sence in all concepts of why they wouldnt move it to REV.

sure, we will get our true zelda revolution.
As for GCN going out with a bang, i couldnt care less.

yes, since WW they have inherted a bad name, i do agree.
WW was an amzing game tho, ppl dont see past the true experience of that game and nintendos pride for developing something truely unique.

Hype dosnt last a long time i know that and i agree again.
we havnt had much on tp in awhile now. time will tell the tale tho.

And again, if its on gcn HAPPY days! ill be happy very happy, no doubt at all.
if its for rev, ill be very happy too, it dosnt matter to me what system it is on.

my pont of this thread is nintendo would prehaps make more money with it if it were on revolution rather than GCN. I cant be sure of that tho.

how many ppl will buy a rev? and how many already have gcn?
not everyone with a gcn are nintendo fans, and not everyone with a rev will be nfans either.

Im just trying to give ppl an idea and concept of what their opinions might be, whether tp will be on gcn or moved to REV.

All in all tho, i think it would be a smarter buisness move to move it to REV, i could be wrong tho.


now, nintendo said they want to use cell shading again for zelda... i for one, dont want to see another celda... one bad name for gcn was enough..do u want the same for rev?

Tp on rev would show those ppl who slammed GCN with WW bad-mouthing, that nintendo aint kiddy.
its too late for them to show that with GCN if you ask me man, just my opinion.

start fresh and start new... thats my thoughts on things, and its best to try that with new hardware, and revo is a good example.

but im not saying zelda for rev will be a celda... it could possibly not be at all.

later#

Originally Posted by Mr_Aonuma

As for GCN going out with a bang, i couldnt care less.

What's your point? You're speculating, and I'm putting forth fact. Nintendo doesn't care that you don't care because Nintendo does care. Still with me? Good. There is no conceivably good reason for the Big N to move TP to the Revolution. Now a modified port that takes advantage of the Rev controller's capabilities, I can see. But there is not even the slightest possibility that they will release TP as a Rev-specific title. I don't know why you think this, seeing as how all of the guys in charge of the Zelda series have said so on numerous occassions. One of those occassions was less than two months ago, by the way. Yes, I do mean after the announced delay. How many times do they have to say it before it sinks in?

Even if TP is released on the GC, we'll still be able to play it on the rev, there's no point making TP for the REV, adding no special revolutionary goodies. TP is for the GC, but by the time it is released it will be almost nonsensical to go out and buy a GC, just get a REV, it's backwards compatible.

Mr_Aonuma, even though you're not really wrong, you're looking at it too much from your perspective. You have to keep every nintendo gamer out there in mind as well. Sure, you find it a good idea, and i'm sure others will agree, but they'll be just as many who disagree, and others who have an even other opinion. So I wouldn't go stating to many "facts" since some of them are based on what you solely think. Basicly I'm just saying, you're not right, but you're not wrong either.

I'd just keep the one true fact in mind, the one how it's been stated multiple times all over the world that it will NOT be a revolution title. There's nothings you'll be able to do against that.

EDIT: What vacumgod says makes a lot of sense as well.

As the God of The Great Vacuum (snicker) just stated, Revo is backwards compatible. Releasing TP as a Revo title will actually lose money for N.

Let's look at a case in point. Me for instance. I have a GC. I want TP. I want a Revo, but likely won't be able to get it as soon as it's released. TP, I will buy as soon as it's released. (and when I get my Revo, I'll be playing TP on it after my GC goes to my neices [since I won't need it anymore]). If TP was a Revo title, I wouldn't be able to buy it for a while, and others must be in the same boat. If they stick to the plan, they'll sell the games to GC owners (i.e. they'll get my TP money faster), then they'll sell Revos to everyone, then those who didn't have a GC but now have a Revo will buy the game to play on their Revo.
Then there are those who may not buy Revo for a while, or at all, due to it's slightly controversial, iffy controller. N will never get their TP money at all. Now that's just silly, isn't it?

Porting it to Revo exclusively simply makes no sense whatsoever. QED.

first of all speculation is defined as creating non excistent content EG.. HYPE or other such material.

gcn without its final big BANG is not speculating,lol.
speculation would have been clearified in my privious post if you had of used something like,

tp selling more on rev than it would GCN.

Like i said already, this is just thoughts and opinions, u cant argue someones opinion, it is niether fact nor dose it reflect anyones REAL intelectual intelligence.

if it did, it would render as FACT, but I dont live in that funny world my friend.

Again i must bring forth the same statement i made priviously... this thread was created by me for those whom wish to dissuss if they THINK tp would do nintendo better if it were set for REVO.

unless you have something to say on that, i would like it if you would please keep it to yourself if it has nothing to do with this thread, something u have clearly showed now in a number of your posts.

its simple and plain dude, very very clear... do u think nintendo would be better off bringing tp to revo? if so/not then say why... keep your ilogic statements to your self. if u feel as tho you need to bring these up again, then email me them, i think i speak for the wiser when i say keep it simple and clean.I will speak of this no more.

later#

It IS going to be for GC.Believe me...Trust me...Now I officially ran out of ways to tell it.
Well you know nintendo will release it for GC.

Originally Posted by Mr_Aonuma

The GCN is on its last legs now, there isnt much more coming for it.( u cant deny that fact ppl)

first, Oh god, will you ever stop saying it will come for the REV!? It has been stated again and again that it will not be for GCN, PLUS, it would NOT be a stupid decision. Havent you heard that Nintendo will still have new games for the GCN more than 1 year after REVs release. They have seen how much Sony earned on Playstation 1 and they are planing to do the same thing with GC(this is why i took that quote).

And im warning for the big possibility that this will be locked soon.

The chance is though that there might be a little better grafics on the REV if you play TP on it, this i think is a big possibility. But there aint really a possibility for it only coming for REV, just read at "Hyrule.net" there even Reggie is starting too get mad about this rumour.

Plz, dont get too angry on my ruge ways in this post, no big offence.

Mr._Anoma, who are you getting pissed at? you asked for discussion, and we are discussing this issue quite nicely. If you have a problem with others not agreeing with you, then why did you make this thread?

Another thread on this subject? My gawd, when will it die?

Either 2 scenarios will happen:

1) Its on the Gamecube, plain and simple, no extra bits and bobs.
2) It'll be on a dual boot Gamecube disc, where, you can play it on the GCN, it plays like a GCN game. Play it on the Revo, you get a bit extra AA and you can use the Revo controller to control Link.

Now THAT doesn't sound entirely farfetched. Its not releasing it for the Revo, and its still a GCN title. It'll also give fans a bigger insentive to buy a Revo, but, for those who can't/won't, they (nintendo) still get money because people will buy it for the GCN.

Its a win-win situation. However, making it a Revo exclusive is such a bad business decision its not even funny. History dictates any game that's been announced for a current gen console, and then gets ported to Next-Gen, always ends up crap, or worse at least. TBH, I don't want TP to end up that way.

In Retrospect...its kind of funny..Ninty want this game to be an Ocarina of Time Killer...with this next to no hype left, it won't be easy.

People, Myamoto (did I get that right?) and Iwata (did I get that right either?) have already said that TP will be RELEASED on the GAMECUBE, and since GCN games are playable on the Revo, you can still play it on the Revolution. Can you PLEASE get that into your brains and stop saying that it will be released on the Revo? Also, whom ever said that the engine doesn't matter, it certainly does matter, because the Revo uses a new type of controller, and doesn't have the X Y Z R L buttons that would be needed to use the current engine, AND the motion detection system would need to be added into the engine, meaning that a completely new engine is needed, thus making the game having to be released in late 2006/early 2007 or so, rather then early 2006.

also too many people ordered/bought it already thinking it will be on GC---they would lose WAY too much money to switch it and REALLY irritate MANY MANY people (me included)

what cronaroth said, and also its BACKWARDS-COMPATIBLE!

Impossible. Unless you’re trying to make a Guinness record by pissing the most people off internationally, it could be one of the coolest most baddest pissoffs the world has ever seen. A choice like that could be compared to a suicide by Nintendo’s part.

Because If they don’t kill themselves someone will surely kill them.