Possible reason for the TP delay...?

Originally Posted by Reih S'emit

Oh. I wonder what the future Zelda is gonna be like? Sorry, a little off topic.

Don't expect anything like TP in the near future. Apparently the Zelda crew had a blip of inspiration and decided to exceed OoT in every way possible. They probably won't try to do this again for a long time.

I hereby striketh down this off-topicness! *Strikes down*

Originally Posted by Wielder of the Sword

I'm not saying this is the only reason; I fully believe the team when they said that they wanted to add more "depth and levels" to the game. However, I got to thinking recently... After seeing the Revolution controller last month, I was more than impressed. Thrilled seems to be a fairly accurate term for it. Yes, I was thrilled about the Revolution controller. Well, a lot of people have been asking whether TP will be released for the Revolution. Now, Nintendo has repeatedly stated that it will not, and I think it's safe to say that their decision will not change. However, might it be possible that the team, in addition to adding "depth and levels", is responding to Big N fans' questions about a "Revved-up" TP? Perhaps--and this is a long shot, so stay with me--perhaps Nintendo has pushed back TP so that they can make it Revolution compatible, so to speak. In other words, they could be adjusting the gameplay slightly so that it can eventually be played with the Revolution controller, thanks to backwards compatability.

Your thoughts and opinions on this would be appreciated. And please, be open-minded about it. I know that the odds of this happening are remote, but it could explain why they needed a full eight months to adjust the game.

You just had to say the word "remote" in that paragraph oh, I'm such a pun-filled bastard...

Anyway, I think it's pretty farfetched, although I haven't read the responses yet. I don't like to be influenced by others for my own responses. I don't think that's why they are holding it back, because they would either have to make separate versions of the game to fit the GC controller and the Revolution controller (as you must see, they are very different in shape and other aspects) or they're adding a different "mode" of gameplay, in which you could... I don't know, PLUG IN the Revolution controller to the GC and play with it in that certain Twilight Princess mode!

This got me inspired

Oho, yes... wouldn't it be great for Nintendo to hype this game up for 2 years then poof!

You have to buy another $200 system to play it on a remote control*

No, I don't think that's why they're pushing it back. I think that if their original intent was to push it back on to the Revo launch, they'd just come out and say that. Sure people would be more dissapointed, but maybe also more hopeful. Pushing the release date back further and further makes people doubtful if the games ever going to come out, and whether or not it will be quality work.

* No Revolution bashing intended

Originally Posted by BLT

Oho, yes... wouldn't it be great for Nintendo to hype this game up for 2 years then poof!

You have to buy another $200 system to play it on a remote control*

No, I don't think that's why they're pushing it back. I think that if their original intent was to push it back on to the Revo launch, they'd just come out and say that. Sure people would be more dissapointed, but maybe also more hopeful. Pushing the release date back further and further makes people doubtful if the games ever going to come out, and whether or not it will be quality work.

* No Revolution bashing intended

Actually you could probably use both! Mainly since the revolution has gamecube controller ports on it:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...evolution5.jpg

Either way I want be surprised.

Yeah I definitely think that's taking Iwata out of context. I don't blame you though, it's an enticing idea!!

Personally I think TP has bigger problems than possible Revolution controller compatability. Did you see some of the animations in the latest trailer? Very, very sloppy Nintendo. I hope this is what they correct first.

Originally Posted by Thorn

Yeah. Did you see some of the animations in the latest trailer? Very, very sloppy Nintendo. I hope this is what they correct first.

Yeah, they would'nt leave it like that, even they can see its horrible. besides, the trailer was cut together by nintendos test players and i think all those temporarily bug fixes has something to do with it.

Originally Posted by BLT

Oho, yes... wouldn't it be great for Nintendo to hype this game up for 2 years then poof!

You have to buy another $200 system to play it on a remote control*

No, I don't think that's why they're pushing it back. I think that if their original intent was to push it back on to the Revo launch, they'd just come out and say that. Sure people would be more dissapointed, but maybe also more hopeful. Pushing the release date back further and further makes people doubtful if the games ever going to come out, and whether or not it will be quality work.

* No Revolution bashing intended

-__- Once again, I have been misquoted... Your point is very valid, but not in this context. What I meant was that Nintendo could release TP for the GCN, but give it compatability with the Revolution controller, since most people will be buying a Revolution shortly after TP anyway. Just minor tweaks that are not completely necessary, but would give it a fun twist for those who actually buy a Revolution. I'm not saying that it will be released for the Revolution, but that it could be compatible with the controller once the next-gen system is released. And note also that I said they might be doing this in addition to fixing the animations and adding more levels, all that jazz. It's just a thought, and a very interesting one worthy of discussion.

Originally Posted by Bloodsword

You just had to say the word "remote" in that paragraph oh, I'm such a pun-filled bastard...

Anyway, I think it's pretty farfetched, although I haven't read the responses yet. I don't like to be influenced by others for my own responses. I don't think that's why they are holding it back, because they would either have to make separate versions of the game to fit the GC controller and the Revolution controller (as you must see, they are very different in shape and other aspects) or they're adding a different "mode" of gameplay, in which you could... I don't know, PLUG IN the Revolution controller to the GC and play with it in that certain Twilight Princess mode!

This got me inspired

Wouldn't it be a lot easier to just shove the GCN Twilight Princess into the Revolution and play it on the new system? I mean, certainly editting the code to make TP Rev. controller compatible would require much work... but it would definitely get the fans "Revved".

^_^; I'm sorry, that was an awful joke. But seriously, I didn't catch that "remote" one. That was purely accidental. I will have to better "control" my actions.

Hmm...It's sounds like it would be a good idea, but fixing glitches and adding new dungeons seems more likely. Try not to raise your hopes too high, because Nintendo may rippeth out thine heart, put it in a doggy bag and send you on your way...plus you'd look like the world's biggest retard swinging link's sword. (even though the idea seems kewl and fun.)

it should be interesting, becaus e"quote" t.p. is going to be the last zelda as we know it... which relates to the control system... how ever they do have that game cube controller like item, which might be the answer to your question

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I guess we will be waiting till E3 for more news!

if Nintendo doesn't fix the frame rate (like many games do at the expense of some possible screen spliting (one part of the screen loads and then gets overwritten before ready so that you have half of the old fram on the bottom and half of the new frame on the top)) TP will have slower load* times and a faster frame rate.

i don't mean load times like in harry potter where anywhere you go results in a load time, zelda games have load times too, they just load while you walk towards the area thereby slowing the gameplay down.

Why the delay? Because NCL, collectively, is a big lying bastard. They know, every time they first give us a release date, that they're going to shove it back about a year as the date nears. I categorically refuse to believe that it's actually taking them eight months to fix everything; doubtless they're just waiting for what they (in their foolish manner) think will be the most profitable time to release it.

I shudder to think what the PAL release date will end up being. It was what, fourteen months after the US release before we saw FSA? Even though I played a completed PAL version of the game six months prior to that?

I worry if, in fact, Europe will see the game at all, given the ♥♥♥♥ty 'cube presence here and Nintendo's utter contempt for the market (remember Mario RPG?).

Originally Posted by Ninboy

I guess we will be waiting till E3 for more news!

Pishaw! I know I won't.

Originally Posted by Shade

Hmm...It's sounds like it would be a good idea, but fixing glitches and adding new dungeons seems more likely. Try not to raise your hopes too high, because Nintendo may rippeth out thine heart, put it in a doggy bag and send you on your way...plus you'd look like the world's biggest retard swinging link's sword. (even though the idea seems kewl and fun.)

*Cough, cough!* Donkey Konga! *Cough, cough!*

Originally Posted by Terranix

Why the delay? Because NCL, collectively, is a big lying bastard. They know, every time they first give us a release date, that they're going to shove it back about a year as the date nears. I categorically refuse to believe that it's actually taking them eight months to fix everything; doubtless they're just waiting for what they (in their foolish manner) think will be the most profitable time to release it.

I shudder to think what the PAL release date will end up being. It was what, fourteen months after the US release before we saw FSA? Even though I played a completed PAL version of the game six months prior to that?

I worry if, in fact, Europe will see the game at all, given the ♥♥♥♥ty 'cube presence here and Nintendo's utter contempt for the market (remember Mario RPG?).

That's an awfully cynical point of view. What makes you think Nintendo is not as good at marketting as you are? After all, they have clearly stated that they are aiming to bring new contenders to the video gaming world. It's only logical to conclude that they will attempt to attract the European market, given that they haven't fully harnessed its resources. Try not to be so hateful, and be open-minded about it. Believe me, the Zelda crew knows just how hyped everyone was for TP. If they wanted to release at the best possible time, then it's only simple logic in this case that sooner is better. The later it gets, the more the hype wears off. I remember the feeling I had when I first saw TP, and then when I first saw the second and third trailers. Each one inspired a sense of... well, I don't know what it was... but whatever it was, it felt great! Perhaps nostalgia? Or maybe epicness? Either way, when I say "I can't wait until TP is released," I mean every word.

Originally Posted by Sotiris

Extras maube but NOT for Revolution!

It's generally accepted on forums that, when you say something contrary to the argument presented, you must explain yourself. At least Terranix, cynical though he may be, offered reasons for his arguement. And also, given the way you worded your post, I get the feeling that you didn't fully understand what I was saying. Read the entire thread before you post. And in the words of Red Mage... "Then explain yourself!"

"Exactly."

Originally Posted by Wielder of the Sword

I'm not saying this is the only reason; I fully believe the team when they said that they wanted to add more "depth and levels" to the game. However, I got to thinking recently... After seeing the Revolution controller last month, I was more than impressed. Thrilled seems to be a fairly accurate term for it. Yes, I was thrilled about the Revolution controller. Well, a lot of people have been asking whether TP will be released for the Revolution. Now, Nintendo has repeatedly stated that it will not, and I think it's safe to say that their decision will not change. However, might it be possible that the team, in addition to adding "depth and levels", is responding to Big N fans' questions about a "Revved-up" TP? Perhaps--and this is a long shot, so stay with me--perhaps Nintendo has pushed back TP so that they can make it Revolution compatible, so to speak. In other words, they could be adjusting the gameplay slightly so that it can eventually be played with the Revolution controller, thanks to backwards compatability.

Your thoughts and opinions on this would be appreciated. And please, be open-minded about it. I know that the odds of this happening are remote, but it could explain why they needed a full eight months to adjust the game.

Here's what I think. Considering that all of the "information" we have so far seem to indicate that Twilight Princess and Revolution will be released within a few months interval, your idea doesn't seem that too far-fetched to me. Still, if we go back to the thought that Twilight Princess is going to be the 'last Zelda in it's present form' (which anticipates major changes in the future), may be it's just not possible to introduce Revolution options in the game without turning its code upside down entirely and therefore Twilight Princess will not have such components.

I have a different theory on why Twilight Princess was delayed in the first place, one I've written before but since I can't remember which thread, I'll write it down again. I think hype was the reason why the game was delayed. After so many interviews, so many expectations about this one blowing Ocarina of Time, Nintendo suddenly realized that what they had accomplished so far wouldn't fully satisfy all of the eager fans out there, (probably inducing mixed reactions like the ones that came about when Wind Waker was released) and so, afraid that the hype would backfire at them in more dreadful ways than I can imagine, they decided to go back and rewrite certain aspects of the game, whether for graphics improvement or changes regarding the main plot. It's just a theory, but a plausible one to me.

That's an awfully cynical point of view. What makes you think Nintendo is not as good at marketting as you are?

Because when I walk into a GAME or something here I see two (two) shelves of games for the Gamecube. Sonic Heroes, Mario Sunshine, a few EA things and a lot of cartoon/child's movie adaptation guff. I see about a half each of a wall for the XBox and PS2.

After all, they have clearly stated that they are aiming to bring new contenders to the video gaming world. It's only logical to conclude that they will attempt to attract the European market, given that they haven't fully harnessed its resources.

I'd like to think so, but, seriously, just look at their track record.

If they wanted to release at the best possible time, then it's only simple logic in this case that sooner is better. The later it gets, the more the hype wears off.

I can only point in disgust at FSA. I saw the finished PAL version six or eight months before I saw a copy I could buy. That's ridiculous.

I remember the feeling I had when I first saw TP, and then when I first saw the second and third trailers. Each one inspired a sense of... well, I don't know what it was... but whatever it was, it felt great! Perhaps nostalgia? Or maybe epicness? Either way, when I say "I can't wait until TP is released," I mean every word.

I can't wait either. That's why it's so annoying that, after the high point of hype, they've slacked off completely and it's now just a case of "God, I've got to wait how long?". And on top of that, I've got the knowledge that, unless there's an almost unprecedented international release, everyone will be talking about secrets in the game and what their new timeline theory is etc. some three months or, if an FSA-like situation is repeated, perhaps a year or more before I can play it. I'm no good at avoiding spoilers for that length of time.

And I'll have to pay an extra $20 dollars for the privilege!

So the situation really sucks. I've already realised that buying books from amazon.com rather than amazon.co.uk is actually cheaper despite the obscene shipping cost. When the Rev comes out I'm getting an American or internationally compatible Asian machine and doing what I have to to get it to work here.

Originally Posted by Terranix

Because when I walk into a GAME or something here I see two (two) shelves of games for the Gamecube. Sonic Heroes, Mario Sunshine, a few EA things and a lot of cartoon/child's movie adaptation guff. I see about a half each of a wall for the XBox and PS2.

That's not Nintendo's fault. For some reason retailers that don't focus entirely on games think less of Nintendo because it produces what many view as "childish games," and so they don't put many GCN products on their shelves. That's going to change with the Revolution though, I can tell. I actually heard someone say, "Before I heard about the Rev. controller, I was a total PS3 guy!" That's saying a lot; Playstation fans tend to be as fanatical as Nintendo fans. ^_^

Originally Posted by Terranix

I'd like to think so, but, seriously, just look at their track record.

It's best not to live in the past. When Nintendo makes a bold statement, I've learned to take it seriously. They seem to like taking leaps; sometimes those leaps are good, sometimes they're not. An example of a good leap would be the Revolution (yeah, I worship it... so what? ). An example of a bad leap would be the Virtual Boy, which was a total flop. In any case, I think it's safe to say that Nintendo will at least attempt to extend their influence in the European market.

Originally Posted by Terranix

I can only point in disgust at FSA. I saw the finished PAL version six or eight months before I saw a copy I could buy. That's ridiculous.

Agreed, that is quite a long time. Yet you don't seem to appreciate the series anyway, so why are you complaining?

Originally Posted by Terranix

I can't wait either. That's why it's so annoying that, after the high point of hype, they've slacked off completely and it's now just a case of "God, I've got to wait how long?". And on top of that, I've got the knowledge that, unless there's an almost unprecedented international release, everyone will be talking about secrets in the game and what their new timeline theory is etc. some three months or, if an FSA-like situation is repeated, perhaps a year or more before I can play it. I'm no good at avoiding spoilers for that length of time.

And I'll have to pay an extra $20 dollars for the privilege!

So the situation really sucks. I've already realised that buying books from amazon.com rather than amazon.co.uk is actually cheaper despite the obscene shipping cost. When the Rev comes out I'm getting an American or internationally compatible Asian machine and doing what I have to to get it to work here.

First off, I must ask why you would have to pay an additional $20. Secondly, I doubt we'll have another FSA situation on our hands. TP is much more anticipated than FSA was by a longshot, and the Big N is aware of that. To get the most out of their money, they will have to release them all simultaneously. Besides, Iwata's already said that TP was aimed more toward the American market than toward his own. Keeping this in mind, and seeing as how they will probably already have TP on the shelves by the time it reaches their primary target, Europe will not be far behind. After all, it is closer than America, anyway.

Originally Posted by Stonetower

I have a different theory on why Twilight Princess was delayed in the first place, one I've written before but since I can't remember which thread, I'll write it down again. I think hype was the reason why the game was delayed. After so many interviews, so many expectations about this one blowing Ocarina of Time, Nintendo suddenly realized that what they had accomplished so far wouldn't fully satisfy all of the eager fans out there, (probably inducing mixed reactions like the ones that came about when Wind Waker was released) and so, afraid that the hype would backfire at them in more dreadful ways than I can imagine, they decided to go back and rewrite certain aspects of the game, whether for graphics improvement or changes regarding the main plot. It's just a theory, but a plausible one to me.

That's more of a fact than a theory, really. It's awfully close to what the Zelda crew has already said they will be doing. Slight revisions to the main plot seem only slightly less likely, but still well within the bounds of reason. They already stated that they are improving some of the animations, specifically mentioning Link's running animation. Graphics are a definite yes, but storyline is more of a "We'll see" matter. Nintendo seems to like throwing those at us, but it usually means yes.

But really it wouldn't be so hard to write in Rev. controller compatability, would it? All they would have to do is take the pre-programmed data and make Link's sword respond to the controller's motions (or whatever it is they might plan to do with it, seeing as how the analog stick makes more sense for movement around the overworld). I'm not saying it will happen and I know that the factors you pointed out make it a rather distant possibility, but it's still a fun thought. ^_^

I don't think thats one of the reasons. Someone said this before but I'm going to say it now 'cause I don't think anyone saw it. Nintendo has said that TP will be the last Zelda in it's current form. Even if Revo. controller compatiblity would be an extra that would still make it not be in it's "current form". I agree that this is a long time to push a game back but that theory is a shot in the pitch black darkness.

Originally Posted by Wielder of the Sword

But really it wouldn't be so hard to write in Rev. controller compatability, would it? All they would have to do is take the pre-programmed data and make Link's sword respond to the controller's motions (or whatever it is they might plan to do with it, seeing as how the analog stick makes more sense for movement around the overworld).

Dude, no one but the people working on the Revolution knows how the controller works exactly. Unless I'm utterly wrong they would have to put two complete versions of the game on the disc; one for the gamecube, the other compatible with the Revo. controller. Considering how big this game will probably be I doubt they could fit that on one disc.

P.S. If I'm completely wrong on any of this please no one bite my head off.

It would be a lot easier to put in a variable that causes the built-in Rev. compatability to take hold when the game is in the Revolution. I may not know much about coding, but I can figure out anything about electronics given the time to properly examine the product. Trust me on this, it's more than possible to contain all that data on one disc. They would just have to make the Rev. programming secondary so that it didn't interfere while TP is being played on the GCN.

Originally Posted by The Messenjah

I don't think thats one of the reasons. Someone said this before but I'm going to say it now 'cause I don't think anyone saw it. Nintendo has said that TP will be the last Zelda in it's current form.

Oh, believe me, everyone who's anyone saw that. ^_^ There's been a lot of speculation on it, too. There were two separate threads dedicated solely to that very subject. We decided that the major changes were going to be a result of the input device--namely, the Revolution's controller. It makes a lot of sense, when you think about it. Such an intuitive controller is certain to bring about incredible changes to many different series. With even the smallest amount of luck, they will be good changes.

True, but there would be no proper reason for Nintendo to push it forward for the Cube, then release it again for the Revolution, because they would effectively have to re-make the graphics since it is a next-gen console and that would take time and money.

A good idea, but not exactly worth the trouble for Nintendo.

Originally Posted by Terranix

Because when I walk into a GAME or something here I see two (two) shelves of games for the Gamecube. Sonic Heroes, Mario Sunshine, a few EA things and a lot of cartoon/child's movie adaptation guff. I see about a half each of a wall for the XBox and PS2.



I'd like to think so, but, seriously, just look at their track record.



I can only point in disgust at FSA. I saw the finished PAL version six or eight months before I saw a copy I could buy. That's ridiculous.



I can't wait either. That's why it's so annoying that, after the high point of hype, they've slacked off completely and it's now just a case of "God, I've got to wait how long?". And on top of that, I've got the knowledge that, unless there's an almost unprecedented international release, everyone will be talking about secrets in the game and what their new timeline theory is etc. some three months or, if an FSA-like situation is repeated, perhaps a year or more before I can play it. I'm no good at avoiding spoilers for that length of time.

And I'll have to pay an extra $20 dollars for the privilege!

So the situation really sucks. I've already realised that buying books from amazon.com rather than amazon.co.uk is actually cheaper despite the obscene shipping cost. When the Rev comes out I'm getting an American or internationally compatible Asian machine and doing what I have to to get it to work here.

Wow, Terranix its like you read my mind. I say basicly the same. But why $20 more. Well, I thinks its a low chance the remote control thing for the Revolution will be TP compatable. But you never know.