Why should WW be the sequal?

Why do some of you think WW should be the sequal to zelda 05? There is not much to continue in WW. I think it should be a sequal to OoT and MM, it would be so much easier to start out and more interesting. OoT is not old,it was and still is the best zelda game.

Sure their is, I mean it ends with Link and Tetra sailing away to find a new land to call Hyrule. Nintendo could use that for some games piece of cake as in a new land, a new enemy, new people, plenty of stuff. Even if it is a bad Idea oh well, it to late to do anything anyway.

Originally Posted by zelda gardian

Why do some of you think WW should be the sequal to zelda 05? There is not much to continue in WW. I think it should be a sequal to OoT and MM, it would be so much easier to start out and more interesting. OoT is not old,it was and still is the best zelda game.

Why are so many Zelda fans so bias towards the n64 games?

Well, ok, OoT is pretty old. In three more years, the game will be ten years old. Realize that. It's pretty much time to move on.

i think tWW is a blesssing. it is not my favourite zelda game, far from it, but it id good in the way that it is a launching pad from which a slew of new games will jump from. FS and tMC use sprites based on the link from tWW. i think they need to have a proper zelda game with tWW as its starting point, if you know what i mean.

PS tigerboi is right

Originally Posted by Tigerboi

Why are so many Zelda fans so bias towards the n64 games?

Well, ok, OoT is pretty old. In three more years, the game will be ten years old. Realize that. It's pretty much time to move on.

Fans of all game franchises tend to feel that way about particular sequels. Metal Gear fans still wax nostalgic over MGS, Sega fanatics still think the Genesis Sonics are all that, and many STILL consider Final Fantasy 7 the best thing since parachute pants.

Originally Posted by Tigerboi

Why are so many Zelda fans so bias towards the n64 games?

Well, ok, OoT is pretty old. In three more years, the game will be ten years old. Realize that. It's pretty much time to move on.

But to what?

The series in reality hasn't moved on at all, the story only becomes more and more illogical and the gameplay hasn't been genuinely improved since MM (with it's amazing side quests).

I can move on, I moved on again ago, I just question why we must 'move on' to something that isn't actualy anybetter then what we had before. After WW the story must be explained, but only certain things can actualy happen.

An OoT sequal would allow far more freedom in terms of story, the meanign behidn the entire series and it's past is there to explain, Link's love, the Shiekah, Zelda's secrets, Ganondorf's story and all the mysteries of the past.

Yes, I do want the series to move on, but as far as I see it, making at least one final OoT sequal is the only way that can be achived, that way the story and everything can truely move forward.

Originally Posted by Grey

Fans of all game franchises tend to feel that way about particular sequels. Metal Gear fans still wax nostalgic over MGS, Sega fanatics still think the Genesis Sonics are all that, and many STILL consider Final Fantasy 7 the best thing since parachute pants.

Yes.. unfortunately it is so. Because the people who claim that OoT, MGS and FF7 are the best games of all time and that nothing can top them are usually the very fanboys that I end up in hot discussions with. They all tend to forget were the franchise came from and ignore the other GOOD games in the same franchise because of their obsession.

Originally Posted by Ectomy

The series in reality hasn't moved on at all, the story only becomes more and more illogical and the gameplay hasn't been genuinely improved since MM (with it's amazing side quests).

The story in the Legend of Zelda series has never been all that logical to begin with. Zelda is all about the gameplay really, story comes second. And that is a wise choice IMHO.

Originally Posted by Ectomy

After WW the story must be explained, but only certain things can actualy happen.

Actually, WW is the most open-ended Zelda game so far. Anything can happen after it - which we have seen in the trailer for Zelda'05. Apparently, there is a new land for us to explore. That would not have happened if they had made this a sequel to OoT, we would still be riding around in the same old Hyrule.

Originally Posted by Ectomy

An OoT sequal would allow far more freedom in terms of story, the meanign behidn the entire series and it's past is there to explain, Link's love, the Shiekah, Zelda's secrets, Ganondorf's story and all the mysteries of the past.

I don't really understand your reasoning here.. if we had an OoT sequel, we would be limited to that world and the places we've already visited. Another limit is that the confusion around the timetravel and Ganon's imprisonment would have to be explained and Nintendo would probably give us a lame explanation for it - or at least an explanation that the OoT fans weren't expecting.

Originally Posted by Ectomy

Yes, I do want the series to move on, but as far as I see it, making at least one final OoT sequal is the only way that can be achived, that way the story and everything can truely move forward.

Again, how can the story really move forward if we're limited to the OoT world? Now after WW, Nintendo has the freedom to anything they want - they can and probably create a new Hyrule with new creatures, new story and new places.

Please, do not forget that we've had tons of Zelda games that have taken place in Hyrule.. and none of those Hyrule's have been the same as OoT Hyrule - or have at least not have been confirmed to be. ALttP had a great story and they achieved it being by starting from scratch and not making it a chronological sequel to AoL. They did the same with OoT, they started from scratch with an entirely new story and they're doing it again with Zelda'05.

Originally Posted by zelda gardian

Why do some of you think WW should be the sequal to zelda 05? There is not much to continue in WW. I think it should be a sequal to OoT and MM, it would be so much easier to start out and more interesting. OoT is not old,it was and still is the best zelda game.

Actually, if anything, there sin't all that much to continue from OoT. TWW, has the biggest possibilities for a good stroyline in a sequel, and better elements. When Link set out at the end of the Wind Waker, it opened up new doors for the story, but with OoT, it may just be, back to the exact same Hyrule you've been to, and defeat an evil guy, but the exploration point would be really low, as it'd be mostly the same stuff from OoT. And, why people cling onto OoT so much is beyond me, it was the best in the majoraty's opinion, but a good bit would still disagree (Like me). Treat OoT like every other game in the series, not base the games after it, off it. Nintendo seem to want to treat it like any other game in the series, why can'y you let them, they've been doing it for a while. OoT is not the whole base around the entire series storyline, most games have nothing to do with the game.

Originally Posted by zelda gardian

Why do some of you think WW should be the sequal to zelda 05? There is not much to continue in WW.

Nobody wanted Wind Waker to be a sequel to the new game, they wanted the new game to be a sequel to the Wind Waker. And it is. Hurrah.

Originally Posted by Grey

Fans of all game franchises tend to feel that way about particular sequels. Metal Gear fans still wax nostalgic over MGS, Sega fanatics still think the Genesis Sonics are all that, and many STILL consider Final Fantasy 7 the best thing since parachute pants.

Do you think there are any Sonic games better than 1-3 & Knuckles and CD?

I don't think it was confirmed that it was a story line sequel to Wind Waker. What can they do after Ocarina of time? another game where Link falls into a hole and ends up in another world? Wind Waker is much more open ended, and you may have already had your "final Ocarina of Time sequel" it's called Majora's Mask and Wind Waker. Ocarina of time is not the best Zelda game ever, it is all opinion, and my opinion is that the Hero of Time should be forgotten.

It has not been confrimed yrt but i think it should be an squel from OOT.

well, Wind Waker is a sequel to Ocarina of time and if this game is a sequel to Wind Waker storyline wise than this game will be a sequel to Ocarina of time but much farther.

I dont think it should be the sequal to the wind waker at all. First off, hyrule isn't flooded, which means there will not be nearly as water to sail on,if you can sail at all. And second, it will probly be way to awsome to even catch up with the wind waker. It all goes to prove that zelda 05 should be the seqal to the N64 games instead of tww.

Originally Posted by -Brandon-

It has not been confrimed yrt but i think it should be an squel from OOT.

It's confirmed that it's a sequel to TWW, confirmed. No doubts, that it takes place afterwards, technically making it a sequel.

And it should be, why? Because TWW, was a great Zelda game, and should be treated to a sequel like other Zelda games in the series. And Technically speaking, it's a long-term sequel to OoT, it's the sequel to the sequel.

EDIT: The post above me. Yes, well. Just because it's the sequel to The Wind Waker does not mean it must contain all the elements in TWW, such as sailing, and people are forgetting to realise the word "opinion". Anyway, we can't do anything about it, it's a WW sequel, case closed, you can't argue with facts. It comes down to opinions. But also, why does everybody feel they must neglect WW, it should be like every other Zelda game, and have a sequel.

i dont even know why i post in topics like these anymore...

OoT had its days and its glory. The controls were horrible and the viewing was horrible, other than that it was an awesome game, truely revolutionary for its time... and its time is over.

WW is by far the best in view and control and maybe even storyline, which carried on quite nicely from OoT. IT deserves a sequel just as much as OoT did... infact since OoT is first in the timeline, supposably, then technically every game after it is a sequel.

From an unopinionated point of view OoT, in terms of storyline continuation, is by far more closed off than WW. Why? Because OoT closes off the story, ends it, the only thing they could do was either bring ganon back and have Link do it all over again, or bring Link to a whole new place just out of the blue, which they did. WW however ends with Link and Tetra with the pirates sailing off to find new land. OK. What new land? It doesn't say, that is what makes it so open ended: they can now do anything they want to since this is a whole new place.

Hopefully this actually sinks into some peoples heads and knocks out some very baseless biased opinions. I've done all i can for now.

OoT was good. It was very good. One of the best games ever. It had a sequel. Now there are 0 posible options for an original sequel to OoT. WW however is much more open ended. Is there a need for any more to be said?

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Uh, right.

Anyway.

Fans of all game franchises tend to feel that way about particular sequels. Metal Gear fans still wax nostalgic over MGS, Sega fanatics still think the Genesis Sonics are all that, and many STILL consider Final Fantasy 7 the best thing since parachute pants

I know that.

However, that's not good.

The thing is, nobody ever really gives a good reason for favoring these games over others in thier franchises.

I've seen Metal Gear fans admit that MGS2 improved over MGS in every imaginable way when it comes to gameplay. (basically, the important stuff) Yet, they still say MGS is better.

"I disliked MM because of the new time system."

Yeah, that's basically saying "I didn't like MM because it was different than OoT." The time system in MM was so managable it was ridiculous. You couldn't make it flow backward without saving, but you COULD get it to flow foward in just about anyway you wanted. Want to skip a day? Sure! Things too fast for you? Slow it down.

And then we have WW. In all honesty all this game did was fix the problems from the N64 games. I was fine with that.

Everyone says it was too short. The adverage completetion time for WW was 15 to 20 hours. That's NOT short. Hell, I've been known to beat OoT in 6 hours seeing as each dungeon only takes me about 10 to 15 minutes to beat.

everyone says it was too easy. I totally agree here, but so was every 3D zelda. I didn't see how anyone got a challenge out of OoT.

To be blunt, I see no good reason to be bias to OoT. So why do I think people are?

Because people dislike change. And that's too bad because everything MUST change. That's how the world works.

Tigerboi, you made my day. I agree with everything you said.

*claps* Well done, couldn't have said it better myself.

Originally Posted by Tigerboi

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Uh, right.

Anyway.



I know that.

However, that's not good.

The thing is, nobody ever really gives a good reason for favoring these games over others in thier franchises.

I've seen Metal Gear fans admit that MGS2 improved over MGS in every imaginable way when it comes to gameplay. (basically, the important stuff) Yet, they still say MGS is better.

"I disliked MM because of the new time system."

Yeah, that's basically saying "I didn't like MM because it was different than OoT." The time system in MM was so managable it was ridiculous. You couldn't make it flow backward without saving, but you COULD get it to flow foward in just about anyway you wanted. Want to skip a day? Sure! Things too fast for you? Slow it down.

And then we have WW. In all honesty all this game did was fix the problems from the N64 games. I was fine with that.

Everyone says it was too short. The adverage completetion time for WW was 15 to 20 hours. That's NOT short. Hell, I've been known to beat OoT in 6 hours seeing as each dungeon only takes me about 10 to 15 minutes to beat.

everyone says it was too easy. I totally agree here, but so was every 3D zelda. I didn't see how anyone got a challenge out of OoT.

To be blunt, I see no good reason to be bias to OoT. So why do I think people are?

Because people dislike change. And that's too bad because everything MUST change. That's how the world works.

i cant disagree more! TWW is a good game but it was WAY too easy (i beat the game for the first time in a week with no game overs) and the story of hyrule is much, MUCH better than a kid on a boat!