Graphics.

Simple. Celshaded or realistic, or something in between?

If you want to discuss the graphics in the upcoming game, do so here. If you want to moan/gloat/cry/celebrate over the Wind Waker's graphics, do so here.

Any other threads on this subject will be locked. The only exception is if someone can write a topic, with at least four paragraphs of well thought-out and original discussion/new graphical ideas. Quality is something I encourage. More pointless spam is not.

I, for one, loved the graphics in Wind Waker. C'mon, we'd seen cel-shaded games before, but none that looked as good as that! I wouldn't mind seeing another 3D game with those graphics.

But hey, the next GC Zelda looks wicked cool, so I'm not too disappointed about not having cel-shaded graphics this time.

I liked the Wind Waker's graphics alot, since the spirit of the game made it perfect. However, In a new game I would like more realistically proportioned graphics. Sort of like Megaman X: Command Mission. The only real problem with any of them in Command Mission was that X's feet seemed a bit large. Besides that the graphics were great. Although that Pixelated look in Super Mario 64 DS is pretty enticing...

I too loved the cell shaded look of TWW, it would be interesting to see a cell shaded zelda that looks like contemporary anime, somthing like whitch hunter robin, or naruto/

I liked either the original over head view from ALTTP [I know it was in more, but that is where I liked it best] or the 3Dness from OOT and MM. I just really dont see a point to trying to make a game that isn't really realistic when you have the capabilities to make one that is.

Let's take that thought a bit further, Soulpwner. What's the point of playing video games, or watching a movie, or reading a book, when you have the ability to walk around the real world?

Realistic is not always better.

^but did it? When I look at tWW, I get thrown back to the good ole days of LoZ and AoL, the cartoon, the comics, the kids books, the plates///
tWW almost feels like a completed version of LoZ.

Originally Posted by vacumgod

^but did it? When I look at tWW, I get thrown back to the good ole days of LoZ and AoL, the cartoon, the comics, the kids books, the plates///
tWW almost feels like a completed version of LoZ.

yes it did. LoZ and AoL may have had a cartoon element but they still had a dark look to them imo. I mean even the boss' in tWW werent all that shocking, I just looked at them and thought "awww a big birdy, I dont want to kill it" lol or "he don't look that tough".
Zelda is about a hero fighting evil, not a cartoon guy fighting some cute looking boss. Just take a look at the new Zelda and instantly it feels like Link is finally going to be a true warrior hero rather than a cute kid destined to save Hyrule or wherever else he may be.

Originally Posted by vacumgod

^but did it? When I look at tWW, I get thrown back to the good ole days of LoZ and AoL, the cartoon, the comics, the kids books, the plates///
tWW almost feels like a completed version of LoZ.

You see that's what I liked about Wind Waker it was like the originals. It went back to the roots.

Originally Posted by Spike of Hyrule

yes it did. LoZ and AoL may have had a cartoon element but they still had a dark look to them imo. I mean even the boss' in tWW werent all that shocking, I just looked at them and thought "awww a big birdy, I dont want to kill it" lol or "he don't look that tough".
Zelda is about a hero fighting evil, not a cartoon guy fighting some cute looking boss. Just take a look at the new Zelda and instantly it feels like Link is finally going to be a true warrior hero rather than a cute kid destined to save Hyrule or wherever else he may be.

Zelda is about a young boy who goes on adventures to save a princess and becomes a hero. Not about some Adult Warrior guy killing a hordes of enemies to save the Princess. Link was intended to be a bit more serious character, but in the first place and don't think he was intended to be a Warrior. He's meant to be a young boy who must go through many puzzles and fights to save a Princess and the Kingdom. Zelda was never meant to be about a skilled combat warrior.

And the "cute kid" thing is what Zelda has been doing for a long time now. None of the enemies from most games looked tough at all. Take LA for example, do they look too scary, and hard. No they don't they look goofy. Like aquementus (sp?) the dragon from LoZ & OoS. He just looks like a funny looking guy.

The cel-shaded approach was something good. It went back to the roots of Zelda, and it did have the Zelda feel. Often too many people confuse the "Zelda" feel with the "OoT" feel.

The graphics in Zelda 05 are incredible. I would pick these over the WW any day. I just feel that more realistic graphics fit a Zelda game better. For everyone who says "Zelda wasn't meant to be about a warrior fighting hordes of enemies" that is ridiculous. The Zelda franchise needs change and this upcoming game looks perfect for that change. Zelda needs more action and it needs to be more realistic. I don't want to fight some kiddy looking enemies again. WW was a good game and I did enjoy it, but to me that was a one time deal. It was good, but I think Nintendo can do much better and thats why they changed the graphical style. Obviously something was wrong with the graphical style of WW if Nintendo decided to change it for the upcoming game. They know a game like Zelda 05 will sell better and everyone should see why that is true.

Personally, if you want a dark look for Zelda, i would say use cel-shading from tWW as a base, put in the detail and proportions that are shown in Z'05, BUT use a darker style, like in Killer 7.

Imagine that. Zelda with the very dark stylised variety of cel-shading seen in Killer 7.

and while we are at it, make everything the same style. i feel like im crazy, becaue only i seem to notice that in tWW, only the characters, ocean and things of the sort are actually cel-shaded, everything else (maps, landscapes) are normal, just vibrantly coloured and weirdly proportioned. Theres a difference.

somewhere between these four

Originally Posted by Valoo78

Id love some realistic graphics it would make nintendo incredibly rich and all the gamers would be so happy!

I wouldn't be that happy of a gamer. Anyway, I really hope Nintendo don't focus on the graphics too much, and then lessen the gameplay. They need to make them good I suppose but not totally focus on them.

I love it when people say that the Zelda 05 graphics are so amazing but yet they think that the WW graphics aren't. Both games have aproximently the same polygon count as well as a good steady frame rate. Both are fairly detailed and look quite sharp. Besides the style they are the same.

In my personal opinion, I think that it all depends on the theme of the game what the graphic style should be. WW would have had to have been an entirely different game to have the graphical style that OoT had. Hopefully this new game portrays that same train of thought.

Personally, I don't care, it's not the graphics that make the game, but the OoT and GC05 are awesome looking! TWW graphics did do the game some justice, though. it kept the game in the prespective of child-link. If you look the differences in OoT and MM are doing the same thing, only less dramatically...

I don't care, but the new Graphics are nice. The graphics set the mood, like in OoT, the graphics are a little darker when you're adult link becase of obvious reasons, adn TWW looks like that because most of the game's pretty light-hearted. The next one will be more dark than the other ones, hence the graphics.

Originally Posted by Nash

TWW cell-shading doesn't suit the Zelda series. I think the artwork in OoT/MM and Zelda '05 work best for the Zelda series.

It's hard to the say they don't suit the entire series. As the series has had quite a cartoony perspective for a long time now. And OoT/MM were the only really different ones. But most games use the light hearted cattonism, and The Wind Waker was really just making it more broad. OoT/MM are the only ones that use the style, and they suited those games, but for the rest of the series, the style's normally light hearted and cartoony, which suits the most part of the series. So in a logical form, it does suit the Zelda series. The Majority of games in it at least.

It's all about the games mood. Normally it's the world through the Child's eyes. Hence why so many Zelda games seem to be so light, and then it seems darker for games involbing an Adult Link. It's all about the mood they're trying to set really.

I thought the graphics of WW were really great, though I prefer realistic graphics. That's why I like the graphics of ZeldaGC even more. So I totally agree with 'zeldaforever':

Originally Posted by zeldaforever

The look perfect for a zelda adventure.

I think that the graphics are beautiful!! No changes wanted here...

Graphics...One of the most charming aspects of the Zelda series.So much, that it a somewhat demand from Zelda fans that all the Zeldas have fantastic graphics.Many were let-down by the Wind Waker,to only later have been pleasantly surprised at seeing things impossible before in the Zelda series.For a time.After playing it for awhile,players began to get somewhat dissapointed at th game again.For while it WAS an exccelent game,it was far too easy,had short to nothing replay value,and...Well,I can't remember anything else right now, but I'm sure I'l think of something else...Anyway,I think the next Zelda's graphics are beautiful,I can't wait to slip it on Gamecube.

I have nothing against Cel-shading, but....I feel that nintendo's been using it a little too much. I'm relieved that the new game is going to have more realistic graphics.. I wouldn't want it any other way.. ^_^ Well..maybe I would but I can't think of a thing.. O_o