So there's been a bit of a debate at Zelda Informer about Zelda HD remakes for Wii U. Nate believes that with Operation Moonfall gaining so much speed, it's possible that we'll see an OoT3D style remake for MM... but in HD on the Wii U instead. I'm a bit skeptical of that idea and think we're more likely to see Twilight Princess HD, and that it's probably the more desirable direction anyway.
Personally (outside of these two games), I think Nintendo should make the effort to do some kind of Zelda HD Collection. Why?
I'm pretty sure the real reason they didn't do a collector's disc for the 25th anniversary was so they could better justify doing a HD collection on Wii U. I think more fans will go for HD versions of Zelda than perhaps any other Nintendo franchise.
I doubt we'll see an original title on Wii U for at least 2-3 years. The presence of Zelda is a very driving force for Nintendo fan confidence in new Nintendo products, so even a quick HD collection would be a good gesture.
HD development, especially of Twilight Princess given that the HD experience demo used the same art style, should theoretically assist in graphical development for a future game, so it wouldn't be wasted development time. (Kingdom Hearts developers started with redoing KH in HD, and that's apparently the starting point for the next game.)
Twilight Princess already looks good upscaled, imagine it with actual texture improvements, etc.
But now I'm curious what the Zelda Informer community thinks... not just about these two games but about the idea of Zelda HD remakes in general.
Well, I basically think the same of it as with any other kind of remake.
Unless they actually add new content or improve the gameplay, I think it's a waste of time, if the remake is nothing but a graphical update, at first you'll probably be amazed by the graphics, but as soon as the "wow omg" factor is gone and you get "used" to the new graphics, it'll basically feel like any other replay of the original version. This happened to me with OoT 3D.
But still, I won't complain if we do get HD remakes of games, while I most likely never get them beyond a rent out of curiosity, it's still an excellent way for new Zelda fans to play older games without feeling like they're playing some super-dated game made for dinosaurs.
I think a compilation of both WW and TP in HD would be most ideal. They're still relatively "modern" enough to graphically update them without too much trouble and reworking, unlike, say, MM with it's N64 graphics. And, while this may be too much work for a simple HD remaster, it would be an extremely good idea to implement SS's motion controls for both games, considering the Wii U will use the Wii remotes. I don't actually know how elaborate of an effort that would have to be, and both games' enemies aren't exactly designed to implement it (WW more so than TP), so maybe that's reaching a bit too far. Maybe just TP could make use of them.
I don't think a N64 game, no matter how extensive a texture/animation/framerate update they can manage, could ever really translate into HD as well as a GameCube game. That's my main reason for saying "hell no" to a HD graphical update for MM.
I don't think a N64 game, no matter how extensive a texture/animation/framerate update they can manage, could ever really translate into HD as well as a GameCube game.
What makes you think that? Just look at OoT, although it isn't HD, it looks great. I'm not sure how updating N64 graphics is any different than updating GCN graphics. Sure it'll be harder, but other than that, there's really not that much of a difference.
There's enough disparity in terms of visuals, animations, etc. between N64 and HD that I don't think the results would be convincing enough. It'd be like tossing New Super Mario Bros. graphics on top of the original Super Mario Bros. Sounds like it'd work in theory, but...
I don't care for any Zelda remake, HD or not. I've already played these older games a million times, so an HD overhaul would only be short lived. I've always said this, I'd rather have them put their efforts into a new game with a new setting, not replay the ones I've already beaten.
Born to fight
Trained to kill
Ready to die
But never will
Why is everyone so obsessed with remakes these days, especially for the Zelda series? Were the newer games really that terrible? Sure Twilight Princess and Phantom Hourglass were pretty crap imo. But I personally really enjoyed Skyward Sword and Spirit Tracks a lot. =/
If these remakes are going to be exactly like how Ocarina of Time 3D turned out with absolutely nothing new whatsoever (Boss battle mode and Sheikah Stones aren't good enough) then I honestly think its a waste of time and money. =/
One of the Main Reasons why i didn't want to play OoT anymore was the aged graphics. After playing games on PS3 so long my eyes got spoiled. Of course the game doesn't get worse, i just didn't feel like looking at the gaphics anymore. OoT 3D changed that big time, and whike i will always keep my OoT N64 cardridge and honor the good old times, 3Ds will be my version to play from now on.
Originally Posted by SuperDecimal
The HH states that the DT is the result if the Hero failed. In the event the Hero could fail, the DT is what would transpire. relegates it to a "what if" scenario which explicitly with that, being stated as such in the book itself. And due to the fact the hero does indeed win to open the CT and AT.
Personally, I think that remaking a game for HD isn't all bad, but the right games must be chosen... Majora's Mask would work. And to be honest, I don't want an Ocarina of Time remake anytime soon. Wind Waker would actually be pretty interesting.
While I generally agree with the sentiments that there shouldn't be an overload of Zelda remakes (I'm actually not very supportive of a 3DS remake of MM, despite it being my favorite game), I think an HD remake of at least one Zelda game is to be expected. For one, this is Nintendo we're talking about here: if they find an excuse to re-release an old game of theirs in some form, they're going to do it. Secondly, this is the first time Nintendo will be entering the HD era; I think even people who follow the whole "graphics aren't important" philosophy would be particularly excited for an HD Zelda game, and as the OP pointed out, an HD remake, particularly for TP, will be a good way for Nintendo to get a feel for how to make a game truly look great.
So while I agree that we shouldn't go overboard here, I think at least one HD remake of a Zelda game is warranted. And let's face it; deep down we all know Nintendo is going to be doing this, from a variety of their franchises. Sony does it with many of their games, and like I said, Nintendo will surely jump at the opportunity, based on their past history with these types of things.
Even if it's in HD, I don't think I can get excited for a Zelda game I've already beaten. New Zelda games are always awesome because you can look forward to a new story, characters, dungeons, puzzles, enemies and bosses, music, etc. Remakes are really lame in comparison.
I don't know why, but when I bought OoT3D I thought I'd be getting a whole new experience continuing from OoT/MQ bundle I already owned; I thought that it would be like playing OoT for the first time again, being blown away by how fresh and awesome everything was because of the upgraded, 3D graphics. In actuality, it was really no more fun than playing the GCN version of OoT for the 20th time. I already knew how to solve each puzzle, defeat each boss, and find each item and upgrade. I already knew that Link would travel 7 years into the future, that Sheik was Zelda, that Ganondorf would rise from the rubble and transform into a beast. There was no surprise in seeing the shadowy figure by the tree in the Water Temple or seeing "Ganondorf" at the end of the Forest Temple. If there were any other 3DS games worth playing at the time, I would have said that OoT3D was a huge disappointment.
I don't think an HD remake of any other Zelda game would be different. The only remakes worth playing are those that add new content to the game, like Metroid: Zero Mission and Super Mario 64 DS. I definitely agree with pj777 that an HD remake would be short lived and forgettable; it's not worth Nintendo's time and it's not worth your time. The Virtual Console will always be there for those missed out on the original anyways.
Part of me would really like to see a HD remake, if only to see some of the older games in a new light... WW is already 9 years old... wow... I think that with enough time and effort was put in the games could present new content and feel very fresh...
But that there is a problem in and of itselft to make it worth while would require a lot of time and effort that they could spent working a new game. I doubt nintendo would outsource a big collection.
Really I see the pros and cons and of a such a develoment... It could sell, I mean, I would buy it. But at the same time...
WW and Alttp would be included, right?
Well, remakes in general must be warranted and without worthwhile new alterations are worthless.
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Did anyone actually not like the current 3DS update of OoT? I thought it was a great idea mostly. I like it when they update a game and add a few more things to it and improve on some others like controls or overly broken areas. However I think that it should be done sparingly. Do not just churn out a new remake every couple years over and over again. This is something I thought Squaresoft has gone very overboard with. They have re-re-released the first six final Fantasy games so much that it is now overdoing things.
When it comes to HD for Zelda I honestly do not know. It sounds like a decent idea before you really get into it. But what would that make a couple previous games look like? Even Twilight Princess had a lot of more cartoonish designed characters within it and I always think it looks odd when you have a distinctly cartoon or anime style character with too many levels of intimate detail. Then it looks like a bunch of action figures dancing around on screen. And then the thought of realism kind of goes out the window because everything is a bit awkward and strange.