M-Rated Zelda Game

Oh yes. The blade. Skyward Sword should take the ability of the blade and even with its impressionistic style , shed a little blood (not pools of it) when Link kills an enemy. I think that there is some green blood from the deku guys that gave deku sticks in OOT (cant remeber their name, i think deku baba), but this effect should definitely be brought over to enemies like the moblins (or is it boblokins...whatever).

Originally Posted by YOUNG LINK 1987

While I do agree that the game doesn't necissarily need to be rated M I think its tho only way to do that type of game. I dunno I mean I would like for them to show how much Link is sacrificing to save hyrule both physically and emotionally. Like you see him getting his ass kicked and losing blood or his friend get murdered right in front of him. Then you gain more compassion for him as a character because if you dont have that depth, link feels like a rather empty or shallow character. What drives him to save hyrule other than being the chosen hero? Since he doesn't talk they can use these dramatic experiences to portray that. Then at the end after all that loss and sacrifice he overcomes that hardship.

You want hardship? Then make the enemies hard. Then your brain will be too busy saying "ZOMG DIE B***H" to be worried about "wow, he's not bleeding".

Depth as a character doesn't come from bleeding or gore. It sure as hell doesn't, and I don't know where you got that idea. When judging a character, the most important thing is the actions of the character. And what are the actions of a player-controlled protagonist?

Originally Posted by YOUNG LINK 1987

But a game like that would be much more interesting to me at 22 It would be absolutely great to have a zelda game like that IMO. heck adolescents play M-rated games anyway and i think THEY would even enjoy that more

Trust me, I'm only 15 and I love the blood from those games.

Originally Posted by altidefan1

Trust me, I'm only 15 and I love the blood from those games.

I'm almost 17 and I don't.

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Originally Posted by Double A

Yes, it is. You're asking Nintendo to limit who can play their game for the sake of adding gore into one game in the series, which could affect how the series is seen as a whole.

I mean, having WW and overly-gory-zelda-game in the same series isn't really a good thing for the audience.

I said not just for the violence you seem to be concentrating on that too heavily. I just meant something less kiddy that an adult can get a deeper sense of satisfation from. More adult themes maybe a little more violence (in the story as well) not just to chopping off heads. I said excuse my extremity Iwas trying to get my point across.

You're asking for freaking decapitation. You're asking for Link to bleed. Kids can't watch that.

LOL @ this

In DBZ, people get punched and kicked, and there are bleeding lips. And energy beams. But that's it. I mean half the deaths on DBZ are by disintegration in said energy beams, not very gory.

In MWF2, people get shot/stabbed and then they fall over. But that's relatively minor compared to what you're asking for.

Thats about the amount of violence I meant. a little blood here, a bleeding lip there, a death thrown in the plot.....

Hm? In that case, WW is violent. PH is violent. ST is violent. And everything is fine.

And no, not even Mario is all lollipops and rainbows. I'm not asking for lollipops and rainbows. You're asking for the opposite of lollipops and rainbows, and I'm just asking for a game that my little sister can watch me playing.

If you think that lollipops and rainbows are what kids look for in a videogame, then you'd fail at making one

No WW is in no way as violent as Beauty and the Beast.. or The Lion King. Watch those again and tell me WW is that violent.

And have you even SEEN Super Mario Galaxy 1+2? If thats not rainbows and Lollopops then I dunno WHAT is. Morgan Webb even complained about that fact on X-Play on G4TV saying it was a little too jolly fer her taste and SHE IS A GIRL they usually like that sweet stuff. I respect the fact that your welcome to your opinion but Nintendo is a little too sweet for my taste @ 22. Thats because their games are and always have been aimed @ kids.

I say yes to a more mature Zelda. I could do without the blood and guts - but am still open to it.

Am I the only one who thinks that most Nintendo games in general are for younger audiences?

Oh and will someone tell me how to change from a deku shrub!

Originally Posted by altidefan1

Am I the only one who thinks that most Nintendo games in general are for younger audiences?

They are. But we're not discussing Nintendo's lack of maturity.

I know we're not, but I just seem to keep seeing this lack in other Nintendo games, I think I'll just make a new thread about it in general games.

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Do you think that the style of the new Zelda game will keep it E or E-10 instead of T.

I'm not sure if its a good idea to overdose in blood and gore or any sexual/romantic themes! Though it would make it a bit interesting, if done in moderation!

Originally Posted by altidefan1

Do you think that the style of the new Zelda game will keep it E or E-10 instead of T.

Since when did graphics style effect the rating of anything?

Hentai isn't rated G just because it is a cartoon.

Originally Posted by YOUNG LINK 1987

I said not just for the violence you seem to be concentrating on that too heavily. I just meant something less kiddy that an adult can get a deeper sense of satisfation from. More adult themes maybe a little more violence (in the story as well) not just to chopping off heads. I said excuse my extremity Iwas trying to get my point across.

Again, adults (mature ones anyway) can get a deep satisfaction from things other than violence. Zelda is supposed to be a magical fantasy that anyone can enter. Blood is hardly "magical".

Originally Posted by YOUNG LINK 1987

Thats about the amount of violence I meant. a little blood here, a bleeding lip there, a death thrown in the plot.....

"A little blood here and a bleeding lip there" can't easily be detected on TV, and wouldn't alter the experience much. You can't seriously be asking for so little amounts of blood.

And we differ on whether a death thrown in the plot is necessary, and if so to what extent.

Originally Posted by YOUNG LINK 1987

No WW is in no way as violent as Beauty and the Beast.. or The Lion King. Watch those again and tell me WW is that violent.

I've seen B&tB, but I barely remember it. And Lion King had very little directly-shown violence. You saw the lion dude get thrown into a stampede, but you didn't see him get trampled. If memory serves, you saw the badguy thrown into a pit of savage animals or something, but you don't see what they do to him. Hardly inappropriate.

But in WW, you have a sword which you use to slash the living daylights out of everything. You throw a monster into a spike pillar. You slam a massive hammer (seriously, it's bigger than Link) into the head of a giant bird... while it's beak is stuck in the ground. Easily more violent than your Disney films.

Originally Posted by YOUNG LINK 1987

And have you even SEEN Super Mario Galaxy 1+2? If thats not rainbows and Lollopops then I dunno WHAT is. Morgan Webb even complained about that fact on X-Play on G4TV saying it was a little too jolly fer her taste and SHE IS A GIRL they usually like that sweet stuff. I respect the fact that your welcome to your opinion but Nintendo is a little too sweet for my taste @ 22. Thats because their games are and always have been aimed @ kids.

I HAVE Galaxy 1+2, and this isn't exactly rainbows and lollipops.

And even then, I'm not exactly comfortable with the abundance of overly-cute Lumas in Mario myself. But I'm not going to ask for violence as a means of making the game more mature and serious.

Nintendo have always strived to make their games playable to kids. "Playable to kids" and "aimed at kids" are two completely different things. I hardly think Mario Galaxy is comparable to one of them Barbie pony games.

Originally Posted by Double A

I HAVE Galaxy 1+2, and this isn't exactly rainbows and lollipops.

And even then, I'm not exactly comfortable with the abundance of overly-cute Lumas in Mario myself. But I'm not going to ask for violence as a means of making the game more mature and serious.

Nintendo have always strived to make their games playable to kids. "Playable to kids" and "aimed at kids" are two completely different things. I hardly think Mario Galaxy is comparable to one of them Barbie pony games.

Oh please, even that battle screams rainbows and lollipops. Which I'm fine with. I couldn't imagine Mario any other way.

Zelda however has walked the line of more mature gaming before.

OoT had some nice gore shots... Sadly, it was removed from later releases of the game.

Zelda can work with a mature rating. Mario, no.. Not really. Not if it's to be taken seriously.

Mature rating?

I wonder... what actually gives a game a mature rating? It obviously isn't anything "mature".

Originally Posted by Double A

Mature rating?

I wonder... what actually gives a game a mature rating? It obviously isn't anything "mature".

What exactly are you trying to say?

Originally Posted by Enuf3

What exactly are you trying to say?

After looking in the back of a couple manuals, I have concluded that mature ratings come from any combination of:
-Bad language
-Discrimination
-Drugs
-Gambling references
-Fear/horror-ish scenes
-Sexual references/nudity
-Violence

... none of which are necessary to have a mature, meaningful experience. Or an entertaining one, for that matter.

Originally Posted by Double A

After looking in the back of a couple manuals, I have concluded that mature ratings come from any combination of:
-Bad language
-Discrimination
-Drugs
-Gambling references
-Fear/horror-ish scenes
-Sexual references/nudity
-Violence

... none of which are necessary to have a mature, meaningful experience. Or an entertaining one, for that matter.

Ahoy.. that's hardly the point.

I don't see why all of you are making such a big deal about this. Nintendo games just seem to be getting a little more child like as the years go by. Look at Conker's Bad Fur Day for instance. You never see a game like that for a Nintendo system anymore. Heck. There are hardly ANY M rated games for Nintendo anymore. They just don't like making M rated games anymore. I would personally like to see Link bleed every now and then. Just so Nintendo knows that there are some ADULT fans still out there. We are not all a bunch of 5 year olds just learning how to play video games. Of course adults would never really touch the Wii with all the 5 year old games. I would love to see some bloodshed. Holding Ganon's head up after a very intense sword fight would be awesome.

Originally Posted by YOUNG LINK 1987

Please dont say things like "Well if you want 2 play a game like that go play God of War because what you said is not Zelda" because I get that. If you have something constructive to add comment then and ONLY then. Thanks

You've told us not to say it, but I don't see how it's anything but a valid point. Based on the fight with Ganon that you described, what you're looking for simply isn't Zelda. It seems to me that you're looking for God of War, or *shudder* Dante's Inferno, regardless of whether you'd like us to point that out.

If you want games like those, play games like those. It's a much better solution that hoping for a single game to deviate so largely from the general direction of the rest of the series.

Originally Posted by Double A

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By the strength of my fist, I invoke the full power of the direct opposite of the word "yes".

I'm not sure I've ever read anything anywhere that I've agreed with more than this.

Originally Posted by darklink99

I don't see why all of you are making such a big deal about this. Nintendo games just seem to be getting a little more child like as the years go by. Look at Conker's Bad Fur Day for instance. You never see a game like that for a Nintendo system anymore. Heck. There are hardly ANY M rated games for Nintendo anymore. They just don't like making M rated games anymore. I would personally like to see Link bleed every now and then. Just so Nintendo knows that there are some ADULT fans still out there. We are not all a bunch of 5 year olds just learning how to play video games. Of course adults would never really touch the Wii with all the 5 year old games. I would love to see some bloodshed. Holding Ganon's head up after a very intense sword fight would be awesome.

If you specifically want a Wii-exclusive game. Check out No More Heroes.
It's not bad for what it is. Not my usual style, but it manages to have a lot of violence and and be decent. There are a few others out there, it's just not the direction Nintendo is trying to push, because it doesn't appeal to most of their target audience.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_More_Heroes_(video_game)