How bad should the next villain be?

I want him (or possibly her?) to be really bad. Really, REALLY BAD! I want him to be a cruel, badass, don't give a **** about anyone mother****er! I want him to have complete rule over Hyrule, rename it after himself, force the land into slavery, slay innocent children, etc. I want him to be an absolute (but not literal) monster. I want motivation to go kick his ass!

Yes, I know Nintendo would never do this. But I think having such a bad villain would make the story more dynamic and the journey more meaningful. I know I'll get alot of negative feedback for this, but I'm not afraid to share my thoughts.

What kind of villain should the next game have in terms of personality, motives, and deviance?

Something like Majora -- It wanted to destroy Termina and gave pity to no one. It didn't care. Sure, it was a mask, but I loved the way it didn't give a **** about anything and wanted everyone dead.

I agree with you. I want a bad ass villain who will destroy Hyrule (or wherever) piece by piece the longer you take to get to him (or her).

Maybe in the beginning of the game he/she can kill someone close to Link, and it would motivate you to go and give that bastard some payback.

I don't mind about the villain, as long as the land you're in FEELS like it's actually being threatened. In OOT, you could feel the urgency because you could see the turmoil Hyrule is put in after 7 years of Ganondorf's reign. In MM, the moon is always watching over you, and you actually get to witness the destruction of the land, more than once too. But in every game since then? The urgency hasn't been as noticable. It sort of popped up a bit in TWW, but in TP, you didn't actually feel like Hyrule was under even the slightest threat.

Not someone that's just "Rawr, I'm a monster", but actually has motives and a real character. But also not someone that just sits in his castle waiting for you.

I also want it to seem unlikely that the hero will prevail. Or else there's no point.

Originally Posted by Catch

Not someone that's just "Rawr, I'm a monster", but actually has motives and a real character. But also not someone that just sits in his castle waiting for you.

I also want it to seem unlikely that the hero will prevail. Or else there's no point.

Yeah, it always seems that Ganon just spends his days sitting on his throne waiting for Link. I want it to feel like every second Ganon (or whoever) is growing in power and gradually making the world worse.

I suggest something where the more dungeons you beat, the worse off Hyrule looks. Like say, after dungeon 4, Kakariko is burnt to the ground, after dungeon 5, Goron City walls implode, etc. Or maybe it could be a change in the NPC's. Like the become more fearful or aggressive as the story progresses.

Yeah, I'm tired of the whole "Rawr, I'm going to take over the world!" C'mon, that's no more evil than Pinky and the Brain.

This is why the dark, edgy storyline is the way to go. I want to feel for Hyrule. I don't want to see the people dancing and laughing, oblivious to what is happening/what is about to happen to them. I want to see sorrow. I want to see suffering.

It's not just the dark, truly evil, merciless villain that I want. I want the entire environment to be dark and edgy. I don't want blue skies and bright sunny days. I want dark clouds, thunder, lightning, rain. I want corse music, as well as slow and depressing music. I want to be depressed while playing this game, but also motivated to get rid of it all.

I want something epic to happen really early in the game. Perhaps the fist time we meet the villan. I want the villan to do something so evil and motivating that we all just sit there afterwards wide eyed with that deer in the headlights look with our mouths open, Thinking oh my gosh... wait rewind! One of those moments where you are in shock then the horor of that moment hits you, and you want nothing else than too burst into the castle and take him/her/it down for good. so they can never hurt anyone or anything again. I haven't really been driven by a villian in that way in a while... I am pretty sure nintendo is not going to go in this direction but oh well I look forward to the game anyway! =)

I think that the villian should do more damage to the world if he does take over. In OoT, I was expecting all of Hyrule to be a bunch of burnt ashes, you can tell I was dissapointed when the sun shone it's shiny face the second I entered Hyrule field.

I also agree that the villian should kill a character of importance to Link at the beginning. They did this well in TP, but I completely forgot about King Bulbin until after I beat him in that sumo-type fight on the bridge at lake Hylia.

I want someone demented and psychotic, as evil as the Joker only much more calm and cooler. Someone who could be acalled a Satan on Earth. I don't even want his motivation to be shown, as he would be a representation of evil itself, (pure evil, having no motivation).

Personally, I like it when villains have emotion and motivation, but that should NOT make them sympathetic. This worked for Zant because he wasn't the real villain, and he still acted like a psycho after the depressing part. Ganon on the other hand, I like hearing why he wanted the Triforce, etc., but it just made you feel sorry for him in WW. In TP, you couldn't feel sorry for him, but he didn't say anything about his goals and why he did what he did, he just fought you.
Basically, I want a villain that has obvious motivation and emotion, but only makes him appear even eviler.

Originally Posted by Tess

Maybe in the beginning of the game he/she can kill someone close to Link, and it would motivate you to go and give that bastard some payback.

Originally Posted by zeldafan12z

I want something epic to happen really early in the game. Perhaps the fist time we meet the villain. I want the villain to do something so evil and motivating that we all just sit there afterwards wide eyed with that deer in the headlights look with our mouths open, thinking,
"Oh my gosh... Wait, rewind!"

Sounds like the villain of Spirit Tracks to me... He just rolls up and kills Zelda at the very beginning of the game! Of course, whoever the villain is, I doubt he's going to be revolutionary, but he's fitting a lot of you guys' criteria!

Originally Posted by STUFF2o

Personally, I like it when villains have emotion and motivation, but that should NOT make them sympathetic. This worked for Zant because he wasn't the real villain, and he still acted like a psycho after the depressing part. Ganon on the other hand, I like hearing why he wanted the Triforce, etc., but it just made you feel sorry for him in WW. In TP, you couldn't feel sorry for him, but he didn't say anything about his goals and why he did what he did, he just fought you.
Basically, I want a villain that has obvious motivation and emotion, but only makes him appear even eviler.

This would depend on the situation entirely.

Here's an example, if I were to run up to you on the street and knock you down, stealing your wallet, and just run away, coming home you would go thinking, "That effing ****er!!!" Ten days later, you learn that I stole your money because my girlfriend was in danger of dying in less than 3 hours that day and I needed money to pay for a life-saving operation for her. You also learn that she ended up dying, and I killed myself from the grief. Would I not appear less evil to you, in contrast to your first impression of me?

Yeah. Basically, I want what everyone else has been asking for.

A truly bad***, merciless villain that doesn't give a **** about anyone else except his/her/itself. Doesn't mind killing fellow citizens or destroying towns, maybe kills a few close NPC's or sidekicks throughout the game, occasionally confronts Link throughout the plot, etc, etc. You know, all that good stuff.

About those saying that Nintendo won't tackle such subjects... I don't know. They've already done a few of those things in Majora's Mask and Ocarina of Time for example. And just look at what they've recently done with Spirit Tracks...

They killed Zelda off and made her into a sidekick! Now that's rather unusual of Nintendo, now isn't it?

I mean, I'm not saying that we should be expecting ALL of these things for the Zelda Wii villain, but Nintendo's finally getting the idea that Zelda needs some form of change, sooner or later. So we might see some surprising things happen, story wise....

Originally Posted by Caelum

Sounds like the villain of Spirit Tracks to me... He just rolls up and kills Zelda at the very beginning of the game! Of course, whoever the villain is, I doubt he's going to be revolutionary, but he's fitting a lot of you guys' criteria!

It's Ganontrain. *insert scary sound effects here*

Kidding.

Having Chancellor Cole killing Zelda so early in the game is extremely shocking. To me, anyways. Something similar like that in ZWii would keep me happy.

I'm kind of afraid of everyone's interpretation of Zelda dying in ST, and also what would actually happen. I hope there isn't an uproar if Zelda ends up alive with her soul back in her body by the end of the game, in order for her death to not be so. I agree I woyldn't be suprised if they did that to not scare the kiddies.

Originally Posted by Aura Pulse

I hope there isn't an uproar if Zelda ends up alive with her soul back in her body by the end of the game, in order for her death to not be so. I agree I woyldn't be suprised if they did that to not scare the kiddies.

Unfortunately, this will most likely happen.



At least the whole "Zelda being your sidekick" this time around should offer some interesting character development...

Originally Posted by Aura Pulse

I hope there isn't an uproar if Zelda ends up alive with her soul back in her body by the end of the game, in order for her death to not be so. I agree I woyldn't be suprised if they did that to not scare the kiddies.

I just have a feeling this is what's gonna happen. Nintendo might just want a happy ending for the game.

It's alright with me, I guess. I would just kinda prefer her to stay as a floating soul, I don't know why... I guess it's because it would be different.

it would be amazing if they were even worse than majora!

I too want a bad a** villian. Capture people? lol. whats capture? SLAY. THEM. ALL!

I think this guy will meet your needs for evil. I mean look at him. TWO HATS. AT THE SAME TIME.

And just look at that mustache.