Miyamoto on Zelda Wii; his dream game?

To be honest, I can see this new Zelda being a bigger failure than TP. Not that TP was a failure, but it fell short in a few areas at times.

Why?

Because they keep creating these stupid side-kick, feminine characters that take all the spotlight instead of Link. Not that I'm against females, its just they think they are being unique or something having this side-kick that becomes the main character.

Very little is known about this Zelda to say how good it will be, Nintendos holding there cards very close to there chests on this one, either way Miyamoto is very out of touch with the game industry anyway, everytime he gets involved it ends in a mess, Like upending the table so late in TP's production.

Originally Posted by mclennon_27

seriously
i honestly question how much effort is going into the game at the moment

Don't be so pessimistic. Nintendo has been marketing to the casual gamer since the Wii first hit the selves. They're smart and although they know this is their money maker, it wont last, because casual gamers simply don't play as many games.

Nintendo needs to make a push to maintain it's hardcore market (we can already see this with Metroid other M and Golden Sun Ds. Nintendo will work hard on this new Zelda because they have to. It's the hardcore gamer they're focusing on, and the hardcore gamer is unforgiving as well as focused more so on quality not quantity.

Originally Posted by Ganon the King

Because they keep creating these stupid side-kick, feminine characters that take all the spotlight instead of Link. Not that I'm against females, its just they think they are being unique or something having this side-kick that becomes the main character.

Midna is awesome.
The fairies, not so much...


EDIT: Oh yeah, I was supposed to comment on OP as well

I think this shows that the next Zelda will make good (if not great) use of Motion+
Things like boomerang-throwing, bow shooting, sword slashing and possibly gimmicks like opening doors (twisting key motion) etc.

I just can't wait to see what the gameplay will be like.

Originally Posted by Ganon the King

A ganon the king post about how midna ruined TP and because zelda wii will have more than 3 characters, it will suck even harder than TP because the girl in the concept art will obviously be just like midna

A little optimism wouldn't hurt

E3 2010? Crap, I was hoping for something THIS year!

Oh, well! I can wait.

Personally, the longer this project remains in the dark and away from the media, the better. Like with Spirit Tracks, they announced it at this year's E3 and now it's releasing this holiday season. So I think at the very latest this game will come out in the earliest time of 2011, hoping for holidays of 2010. Because, isn't there a chance for it to be announced at next year's E3?

Anyways, there's a reason why they aren't showing or saying anything about this project.

...He looks way taller than he did in TP. You seriously can't tell Eiyuu?



Okay, well. Not that much taller. But according to NP, Link is shorter ingame in TP then depicted in the drawings. In comparison to Link's head...Link is considerably taller in the next Zelda.

Ahh, I'm sure we'll get a little something--at E3 2010, it will be playable as a demo, but that is not to say absolutely nothing will be revealed beforehand. I'm also willing to bet that the game WILL be out in 2010, since Nintendo seems to be trying hard to do this whole "announce then release in the same year" policy. They really surprised me with the Mario game that they had just revealed E3 and will be releasing later this year, so I have some faith.

Also, they have been working on this game about a year and a half before TP's release. That is...a really long time ago. It is not so much of a stretch if they are working on it at all for the game to be released in 2010.

EDIT: Lul Link's cute^

The game itself is in the late stages of development, Most of the coding, art and design and building is already done, so a demo or atleast a display at E3 is certain. I wouldnt put a far away date on it, Maybe late 2010, Overdevelopment after all, is pretty bad for developers to keep a game in the pipes clogging it up and sucking up money to long.

And finally, I doubt we will hear news until its finalised, remember the TP fiasco? Where they announced -everything- then it was scapped, delayed, scrapped, delayed, and Nintendo was bombarded by every magazine and group as unprofessional? They wont make the same mistake twice.

Like with Spirit Tracks, they announced it at this year's E3

To be correct, ST was announced at GDC in March.

Originally Posted by SuperDecimal

And to this day, regardless of all those "finishing touches" I still think some of the coolest-looking elements were in that very early trailer ofr the game, and am still sorely dissapointed they were taken out - the coral reef, the (I suppose) original Ghoma, the Ent-like beings and the cats...

The coral reef is still there. Go to the Water Temple, go the little bridge-passages that join the other parts to the main hub with the revolving stair case, then use the hookshot to grab the vines off the side of the bridge-passage into the water.

Originally Posted by ahaha

You forgot about the huge mob of bokoblins, and the rainy cemetery-like place with the Stalfos...


I think TP is so hated for so many people because Nintendo set the bar too high for the game... So, I really think less hype = less dispointment (well, I was not really disapointed with TP, but most people were...)

Mmmm - not really, the Cemetray place in the Hyrule Castle grounds I thought as pretty cool and was a great experience, though, indeed. No Bokoblin armada.

Originally Posted by Crab Helmet

The coral reef is still there. Go to the Water Temple, go the little bridge-passages that join the other parts to the main hub with the revolving stair case, then use the hookshot to grab the vines off the side of the bridge-passage into the water.

I mean in the general over-world of the game, being able too simply dive into the water and see the iridescent coral there.

I don't think Nintendo likes the gap between gamers like us and the new adopters. I think they'll try to bridge the gap, by including everything they like about Wii Sports etc. and then creating a nice Hyrule and context for that Wii Sports action for us.

"You liked Wii Sports? Well now there's a nice big world and a fantasy setting, go get it!"
"You like Zelda? Well here's Zelda with everything you used to like but now controlling Link, using items and playing the mini-games feels brand new and interactive, and the fighting is choice! Go get it!"

Of course, I am hoping that they'll try to do that. The thing is that TP did not do well in Japan. Maybe they'll try to appeal to the Japanese market or maybe they'll try to broaden Zelda's appeal to more segments in the western regions instead. I don't know, but in order to predict changes to the next Zelda it is vital to remember that it is a product that is to be released to a market.

I find it interesting that one year after The Wind Waker was released--ONE YEAR, folks--a trailer for TP was shown at GDC. However, it's been THREE WHOLE YEARS since TP was released, and nothing. Either Nintendo wants to kill the hype for the game so it won't end up like TP, or they just haven't been working on it a whole lot.

...I'm telling you, Z-Wii has been developed from scratch. TP ripped TWW's engine.

Proof?

...Hold on, I swear I'll find it. I made a thread a few months back about every bit of info on Z-wii with sources. xB

Aha! This is from Nintendo Power:

Unlike Twilight Princess, which was originally intended for the GameCube but then ported to Wii with motion controls for the system's release, the next installment will be made completely from scratch. Add the high possibility of the inclusion of the Wii Motion Plus, and many are anticipating one of the most unique Zelda games to date.

...Wait, lemme double check this as valid. =/

Originally Posted by Marshmallow Moo

I find it interesting that one year after The Wind Waker was released--ONE YEAR, folks--a trailer for TP was shown at GDC. However, it's been THREE WHOLE YEARS since TP was released, and nothing. Either Nintendo wants to kill the hype for the game so it won't end up like TP, or they just haven't been working on it a whole lot.

ONE YEAR?? Holy cow, that year felt like an eternity

I'd say they are working hard on Zelda at their regular.. Zelda pace, and just want to kill the hype as many others have stated.

SMG2 and Metroid seemed to be pretty far in development at E3 so I guess the next time they present anything Zelda related, we won't see any early beta footage or anything that will give fans flaming-ammo.

(OK it's not fair to compare with SMG2 as it is a relatively easy-to-make sequel to SMG, using its finished engine, but you know what I mean)

Originally Posted by Senap

ONE YEAR?? Holy cow, that year felt like an eternity

I'd say they are working hard on Zelda at their regular.. Zelda pace, and just want to kill the hype as many others have stated.

SMG2 and Metroid seemed to be pretty far in development at E3 so I guess the next time they present anything Zelda related, we won't see any early beta footage or anything that will give fans flaming-ammo.

(OK it's not fair to compare with SMG2 as it is a relatively easy-to-make sequel to SMG, using its finished engine, but you know what I mean)

Indeed, I never realized it took them only a year to show that trailer. The baklash from WW's artstyle was probably enough to demand them to look for some way to recover the series' image somewhat. I love WW, but I remember that, back then, many people grew irate with the new style, and it helped cement Gamecube's image as a kiddy console.

The least I'd expect is a new engine to take advantage of the different hardware. Nintendo is known to take advantage of even the smallest architectural feature of their hardware and, as much as some people like to believe, the Wii is significantly different from the Cube and more capable as well. It may be hard to find examples(SMG is the only thing that comes to mind), but if the Super Mario 64/Ocarina of Time is any indication, they could learn a lot from that development.

Monster Hunter Tri, on the other hand, looks awful. Bland textures, uninspired, empty spaces with a messy bloom effect. I don't know why Zelda Team got impressed with that uninspiring-looking game, and it actually makes me fear what the game was shaping up to look like. I still think that if the Zelda franchise was to recover momentum, it would have to skip the Wii and land with a bang. As it stands, it will be released WAY too late on the console's life cycle and sales will likely suffer from it. Heck, Wii sales are suffering NOW.

I'm not an alarmist, but Nintendo should start thinking about a new console with a new, more balanced approach to the markets it aims. "Core" games on the Wii are suffering from bad sales, and Zelda doesn't get much more core. TP got the helping hand from the fact that it was offered alongside a new console, making it very visible to consumers. Zelda Wii won't be as lucky.