The future of Ganon

I have no problem with Ganondorf. What I do have a problem with is how Nintendo uses him these days. Back in the days of OoT, he was there from the beginning; he was in Link's nightmare prior to meeting Navi, he was in the castle trying to get on the king's good side when Link first met Zelda, and he even made an appearance in the first temple you played as an adult. He was also exceptionally well-used in TWW, with fleshed out motives and a true personality.

If Nintendo wants Ganondorf to be appreciated again, they need to go back to making him a character rather than a glorified cameo, and stop ending their games with the typical OH HEY GANON WAS BEHIND IT ALL. All throughout TP, we were led to believe that Zant was the ultimate antagonist. Suddenly, the game was basically LOL GANONDORF, and suddenly he was our enemy. He had no true backstory in that game, nor did he have an interesting personality. He was just there.

My idea is that Ganondorf is portrayed in a completely different light. Instead of being a complete antagonist, he could be something of a hero in his own right, e.g. his intentions can be seen as good but his actions are clearly evil or some other similar setup. They can also flesh out his personality again, and make him have regular appearances throughout the story. It would also be interesting if he wasn't seen as all-powerful; perhaps he becomes stronger as the story progresses as Link does.

I don´t think Ganon is overused, for anything, it´s certain that in TP he appeared very suddenly and without surprise, I believe that in WW his appearance was but complete, and is certain that he is very important in history, is part of the triforce no? furthermore I feel strange when he isn´t in a game, clear that would be exhausting to always see him, but it would not be good idea to erase him of the map, put furthermore they put him into important games. But they would have to change he´s strategy of attack, there that would be showy. And also I believe that they would have to put Vaati in another game, but with more spark.. I don´t know XP

but Ganon must have another plan of attack

Ganondorf's appearance in TP was rather lacklustre.


However, this is why I want him in ZWii. To make up for his TP appearance.

I wanna see Ganondorf in a hero-like position, fighting against a greater evil. No, I'm not talking about Link teaming up with Ganondorf, but kinda like the SA-X thing at the end Metroid Fusion, where he kinda puts his life on the line to fulfill a personal vendetta.

Ganon shouldn't go. He should just have a larger more unique role than we have seen in the past. Why? Beacuse Ganon is the Man...on!

Originally Posted by astinktothepast

I wanna see Ganondorf in a hero-like position, fighting against a greater evil. No, I'm not talking about Link teaming up with Ganondorf, but kinda like the SA-X thing at the end Metroid Fusion, where he kinda puts his life on the line to fulfill a personal vendetta.

Actually, that would be pretty cool. My idea is that there's some sort of magical object or force that both Ganon and Link need, though they have vastly different reasons (Link wants to protect everyone, Ganon wants to controls it). However, in order to get it, they have to work together at times even though they know that they'll eventually have to fight over it.

I think you've hit upon something...

Although I do love Ganon as the main villain, he has been killed time and time again, and brought back in one form or another just as many times. And I for one don't want to see him come back this time. I felt that he had a clear death in TP and I hope that Nintendo does not bring him back. It was fun fighting him back in OOT when zelda was satisfyingly challenging and slightly more hardcore. But in TP I felt that after I beat him it was almost too easy.

they need to make ganon a more belivable villen, give him a motive other then beeing evil.

if not then he needs to quite and reconseder hes career opshons

sorry about the spelling

Ganondorf isn't so much whipping a dead horse as violating the burnt yet resurrected zombie corpse of utter despair. He has lost all scare and intimidation factor, and he isn't going to get it back. We don't need him - Twilight Princess proved perfectly well that other villains can work just as well as Ganondorf. The scene with Zant at Lanayru was several times more intimidating than anything Ganondorf has ever done, and it is a real shame Ganondorf even appeared in Twilight Princess. The only reason to keep Ganondorf is nostalgia, and that's no reason at all. Sure, you can bring him back after a while, but at least give him a three game rest period, so he can recover some of his menace, lick his wounds, and come back seeming new and refreshed.

I want Ganon to have a more active role in the story. Like Encountering him throughout the game and not just at the end. Make him like a deceiver, where Link does not know he is Ganon because not everyone will know what he looks like. All i am basically saying is that to make him more of a bad guy, use him in a way that fully integrates him into the story.

Originally Posted by Sounder

I honestly don't understand why anyone thinks Ganon is overused. He's the antithesis of Link. He's the third of the trio bound together throughout time by fate. How can he be overused, and in the Mario series, Bowser is not overused, despite being one of the most incompetent and least evil archenemies of all time?

This.

Like I said previously, Ganondorf is the main villain of the series, yet he appears in roughly 50% of the Zelda games. Why does everyone think he's overused, then? It makes no sense, since other video game series, such as Mario, have a main villain who appears in every game. Yet they aren't overused. It makes no sense at all.

Ganondorf has the Triforce of Power, and aims to ultimately rule over all of Hyrule, after having acquired both of the other two pieces. It's a good story. Yet, in something over half the Zelda games, he's not even there. So why do fans complain? Very likely because they like other villains better and wish to see more of them. :/

Originally Posted by The Great Panda

I have no problem with Ganondorf. What I do have a problem with is how Nintendo uses him these days. Back in the days of OoT, he was there from the beginning; he was in Link's nightmare prior to meeting Navi, he was in the castle trying to get on the king's good side when Link first met Zelda, and he even made an appearance in the first temple you played as an adult. He was also exceptionally well-used in TWW, with fleshed out motives and a true personality.

If Nintendo wants Ganondorf to be appreciated again, they need to go back to making him a character rather than a glorified cameo, and stop ending their games with the typical OH HEY GANON WAS BEHIND IT ALL. All throughout TP, we were led to believe that Zant was the ultimate antagonist. Suddenly, the game was basically LOL GANONDORF, and suddenly he was our enemy. He had no true backstory in that game, nor did he have an interesting personality. He was just there.

My idea is that Ganondorf is portrayed in a completely different light. Instead of being a complete antagonist, he could be something of a hero in his own right, e.g. his intentions can be seen as good but his actions are clearly evil or some other similar setup. They can also flesh out his personality again, and make him have regular appearances throughout the story. It would also be interesting if he wasn't seen as all-powerful; perhaps he becomes stronger as the story progresses as Link does.

These are all good points. I rather like Ganondorf. Yet, in TP, his appearance was done all wrong! I've mentioned that Zant and Ganondorf could have still both have been in TP, only with a different relationship status, and such. This would involve fleshing Ganondorf out much more than he originally was. His "unexpected" appearance at the end there didn't do him any justice in my eyes, since it was really badly pulled off. In a video game, I believe it's rather important to distinguish the main villain from all other villains from the get-go, rather than have him pop out at the end. It worked in OoT and TWW, and Nintendo would have been much better off had they gone with the same formula for TP. Though this may bring more reason for fanboys/girls to whine and complain about the game being "too much like OoT," it would have a more complete, and smooth feeling about the game, as a whole, in my opinion.

As for Ganondorf being shown in a different light, it may be a bit harder to do, but it is possible. It's clear that Ganondorf has motive for power, and in his eyes, this motive is pure. However, he's purely displayed as a completely evil man in the Zelda series. Though he is, indeed, quite evil, he must view it quite differently. If this were to be shown more, the game would be a lot stronger in plot, as well as character-depth. I do believe it would be good for the Zelda series, and would be quite interesting, as well.

First of all, I'd like to say this:

Am I the only one who thought that Zant was a loser villain to begin with? I was actually glad to see Ganondorf pop up halfway through so I didn't have to deal with the pathetic excuse of a villain Zant was anymore.

On the topic of Ganondorf himself, though, he is not going to go away. Get over it. He is the main villain of the series, just like Bowser is the main villain of Mario, the Joker is the main villain of Batman, etc. These main villains don't just die away eventually.

Ganondorf just needs to be used differently from now on. I actually want a game where he is actually not a villain, but more of a tragic hero fighting for his own goals, even if they seem like they are evil goals to outsiders. He needs more of a backstory. WW did great for Ganondorf. He actually had emotions and was shown to be somewhat depressed about his life. They need to do that again.

Originally Posted by Crab Helmet

Ganondorf isn't so much whipping a dead horse as violating the burnt yet resurrected zombie corpse of utter despair. He has lost all scare and intimidation factor, and he isn't going to get it back. We don't need him - Twilight Princess proved perfectly well that other villains can work just as well as Ganondorf. The scene with Zant at Lanayru was several times more intimidating than anything Ganondorf has ever done, and it is a real shame Ganondorf even appeared in Twilight Princess. The only reason to keep Ganondorf is nostalgia, and that's no reason at all. Sure, you can bring him back after a while, but at least give him a three game rest period, so he can recover some of his menace, lick his wounds, and come back seeming new and refreshed.

Lol, i actually just pictured ganon licking his wounds. Funny and disturbing at the same time.

I hate how people think Ganondorf was tacked on. He was mentioned as the source of Zant's power after the third level.

Ganondorf is not overused. I would love to see him appear as the main villian in this new game. Or maybe not even a villian. I read a couple posts where people tossed the ideas around of where he would be an ally, or going about with clearly good intentions but executing them in the wrong way. I don't have any complaints about Ganondorf at all. He isn't overused, I feel he is well fleshed out in each game he is in(maybe except the LoZ).

I feel that each time Ganondorf has been used as EndBoss for a game, they've added to him a little bit.

OoT- Corrupted the Sacred Chamber and took the Triforce of Power, Din's essence. Wanted to rule the world. Clear, plain, simple, good.
TWW- Wanted Hyrule back and envied it for the lush and rich land it was built on while his land suffered. Deep, thoughtful, good.
TP- Wanted to combine the Twilight Realm and the Light Realm, a world where he ruled as their god. He sought revenge for banishment and manipulated someone to do it. Deep, thoughful, dark, good.

Those three I think are the BEST examples of Ganondorf. I like his character and I'm not, and never have been, displeased with him. I'm sure if they use Ganondorf in this upcoming game he will be executed just fine and without fault. But again, this is just how I feel and hope.

Ganon is way over used (why doesn't he die?!)
They need to put in a new bad guy i mean i don't want the big ranga pedo capturing Zelda that much

Originally Posted by Jehidest Ducks

Ganon is way over used (why doesn't he die?!)
They need to put in a new bad guy i mean i don't want the big ranga pedo capturing Zelda that much

maybe not overused but he does need to be portrayed differently
i say bring the ruthless pig ganon into the next 3D game and take out ganondorf just to mix it up

Originally Posted by The Great Panda

I have no problem with Ganondorf. What I do have a problem with is how Nintendo uses him these days. Back in the days of OoT, he was there from the beginning; he was in Link's nightmare prior to meeting Navi, he was in the castle trying to get on the king's good side when Link first met Zelda, and he even made an appearance in the first temple you played as an adult. He was also exceptionally well-used in TWW, with fleshed out motives and a true personality.

If Nintendo wants Ganondorf to be appreciated again, they need to go back to making him a character rather than a glorified cameo, and stop ending their games with the typical OH HEY GANON WAS BEHIND IT ALL. All throughout TP, we were led to believe that Zant was the ultimate antagonist. Suddenly, the game was basically LOL GANONDORF, and suddenly he was our enemy. He had no true backstory in that game, nor did he have an interesting personality. He was just there.

Dude you knew halfway through that Ganny was the big bad guy so don't say he was just thrown in randomly at the end. And what's this about no true backstory? He orchestrated the whole thing by using Zant to attack Hyrule.

Originally Posted by Crab Helmet

Ganondorf isn't so much whipping a dead horse as violating the burnt yet resurrected zombie corpse of utter despair. He has lost all scare and intimidation factor, and he isn't going to get it back. We don't need him - Twilight Princess proved perfectly well that other villains can work just as well as Ganondorf. The scene with Zant at Lanayru was several times more intimidating than anything Ganondorf has ever done, and it is a real shame Ganondorf even appeared in Twilight Princess. The only reason to keep Ganondorf is nostalgia, and that's no reason at all. Sure, you can bring him back after a while, but at least give him a three game rest period, so he can recover some of his menace, lick his wounds, and come back seeming new and refreshed.

PH and (hopefully) ST. Two games is enough.

Originally Posted by GoronWarrior25

Ganondorf just needs to be used differently from now on. I actually want a game where he is actually not a villain, but more of a tragic hero fighting for his own goals, even if they seem like they are evil goals to outsiders. He needs more of a backstory. WW did great for Ganondorf. He actually had emotions and was shown to be somewhat depressed about his life. They need to do that again.

I've always liked this point of view.

Another idea could be something along the lines of Ganondorf actually having a plan that seems to be undefeatable, because he always seems to be one step ahead of Link. I can't really describe it other than: cunning.

Personally, I thought TWW was the best game for Ganon. Screen time is important, but so is that the particular sceen is epic. In TWW Ganon was in many scenes, andeach were very awesome as well.
-Ganon pimp slaped (slaping with the back of your hand) Link and Zelda in TWW, now that is epic! Seriously this time, in the confrontation in the Forsaken Fortress he almost kills you, reveals Tetra as Zelda, and if you were a newbie you may have thought he died.
-The next scene he was in he makes a speech and supposedly transforms into Puppet Ganon.
-The next scene was the Triforce scene, so no explaination needed.

TP had one amazing scene with Ganondorf, and that is his execution by the sages. So what Ganon really needs is drama lessons.