Posts per page

Originally Posted by Triforce of the Gods

For example: At 20 PPP, someone will see a thread with 10 pages and won't want to have to read through all that. At 40 PPP, the same thread will only be 5 pages and the person may be more inclined to read through it all due to it not being that much.

That makes absolutely no sense. The volumes of posts are exactly the same - I'm just as willing to read 500 pages of a book with one word on each page than I am a single page book with 500 words on the single page. Likewise, if a person was going to skip to the end of a thread, 20ppp saves them scrolling distance - what makes you think the person is going to read all of those posts just because they're on the page? If anything, there's just as much an incentive to scroll fast and get to the bottom as there is to skip to the last page.

The posts get ignored either way. It sounds like you're more worried about individual cases of users being ignorant, rather than the actual post per page limit.

40 at one time is still too much for me to look through.

Originally Posted by Jason

That makes absolutely no sense. The volumes of posts are exactly the same - I'm just as willing to read 500 pages of a book with one word on each page than I am a single page book with 500 words on the single page. Likewise, if a person was going to skip to the end of a thread, 20ppp saves them scrolling distance - what makes you think the person is going to read all of those posts just because they're on the page? If anything, there's just as much an incentive to scroll fast and get to the bottom as there is to skip to the last page.

The posts get ignored either way. It sounds like you're more worried about individual cases of users being ignorant, rather than the actual post per page limit.

I would not be willing to read a 500 page book with a single word on each page.

Originally Posted by Jason

That makes absolutely no sense. The volumes of posts are exactly the same - I'm just as willing to read 500 pages of a book with one word on each page than I am a single page book with 500 words on the single page. Likewise, if a person was going to skip to the end of a thread, 20ppp saves them scrolling distance - what makes you think the person is going to read all of those posts just because they're on the page? If anything, there's just as much an incentive to scroll fast and get to the bottom as there is to skip to the last page.

The posts get ignored either way. It sounds like you're more worried about individual cases of users being ignorant, rather than the actual post per page limit.

Fine, if you think my example is stupid (when it's not, since I gave on tons of topics due to long page counts, not even taking PPP into account) then use Spoonman as an example:

Originally Posted by Spoonmän

Actually, I'm less inclined to read a thread if I have twice as many pages to get to. It makes reading a long and interesting topic less enjoyable because the flow is interrupted too much.

Edit:

Originally Posted by Tohopekaliga

I would not be willing to read a 500 page book with a single word on each page.

I can't tell if your being sarcastic, but it's a good point if your not. I wouldn't either, it's too much page turning.

Oh come on, y'all are exaggerating. >_>

I couldn't read a book like that with one word on each page either and 15 posts is perfect for me.

Originally Posted by Triforce of the Gods

I can't tell if your being sarcastic, but it's a good point if your not. I wouldn't either, it's too much page turning.

I read ebooks on my Amazon Kindle, so all I have to do is press a button

Likewise, all a user on here has to do is press a button. There's no physical labor involved and hardly any waiting. There's more physical labor involved in scrolling down a gigantic 40ppp page.

Anyways, this whole thing is temporary while I fiddle with the post linking system. Once I have things sorted out, your precious ability to change the ppp will return. I believe I said it was temporary at the beginning of this thread.

For now, your superficial complaints will have to suffer through a 20ppp world. I'm sure you'll survive.

Originally Posted by Jason

That makes absolutely no sense. The volumes of posts are exactly the same - I'm just as willing to read 500 pages of a book with one word on each page than I am a single page book with 500 words on the single page. Likewise, if a person was going to skip to the end of a thread, 20ppp saves them scrolling distance - what makes you think the person is going to read all of those posts just because they're on the page? If anything, there's just as much an incentive to scroll fast and get to the bottom as there is to skip to the last page.

The posts get ignored either way. It sounds like you're more worried about individual cases of users being ignorant, rather than the actual post per page limit.

Dude, there's a HUGE difference in your example. One requires you to continuously turn the page while the other allows you to read the entire thing without your flow being interrupted at all.

I fully agree, Jason. You hit the nail on the head.

Originally Posted by Jason

I read ebooks on my Amazon Kindle, so all I have to do is press a button

Likewise, all a user on here has to do is press a button. There's no physical labor involved and hardly any waiting. There's more physical labor involved in scrolling down a gigantic 40ppp page.

Anyways, this whole thing is temporary while I fiddle with the post linking system. Once I have things sorted out, your precious ability to change the ppp will return. I believe I said it was temporary at the beginning of this thread.

For now, your superficial complaints will have to suffer through a 20ppp world. I'm sure you'll survive.

Except for, you know, the problem that forcing 20ppp is "fixing" is not present at all right now, so it is completely irrelevant.

That book example was just retarded. As much as I love you Jason...wow.

Do you not think flipping 500 times in a matter of 10 minutes would be annoying? Also, the flow would be beyond interrupted. I wouldn't retain a thing.

And as for the scrolling issue that people are talking about, it's called Home, End, Page Up, and Page Down.

There's like, no scrolling at all with those buttons. Get into the habit of using them and I guarantee you won't be complaining about 'having to scroll too far'.

I was gone for 20 minutes, and my posts in the Utopia were buried by like 5 pages. It is ridiculous. I can't stand this. I just hope it's very temporary.

Oh, and Ranny, you're saying we're overreacting, but you're just as used to your setup (maybe more since you apparently can't even imagine not having 15PPP) as we are ours. You only changed by 5 posts. We changed by 20. I wish this temporary thing was for 40PPP so we could see just how much you'd be complaining about this.

Sometimes when theorizing it is nice to have multiple posts you can read. If there are 2 posts you are quoting on one page and 1 post on another page with 40 PPP then it'd be fine. But with 20 PPP you are just as likely to have to open 3 tabs. It's annoying. Say you leave for a week and come back to a thread that has had 80-100 posts since you last left. You have the potential of needing 5 tabs open just to quote the posts at 20PPP. With only the potential of 3 at 40 PPP.

Hell one of my biggest turn offs for going to another site is like when I go to Smashboards and they have 10PPP. It's annoying as all hell to have to change pages that much. Which is a large reason why I don't go there often. ZU was the only site I've been to that had 40 Posts per Page.

Why not just give us the choice for how much we want instead of setting it to only have one option.

Oh and Forte was right. That book example was really bad, no offense.

I don't even get the need for change; you could link to posts before, it just would link you via the thread instead of bringing a new tab up.

Many people would rather have their PPP back instead of the link to post, Jason--this much is evident. :/

Originally Posted by Kitsuné

Many people would rather have their PPP back instead of the link to post, Jason--this much is evident. :/

It's temporary while Jason works on setting up the thing properly. I'm sure people can survive for like three days with their pages set to 20PPP.

Originally Posted by Cody

It's temporary while Jason works on setting up the thing properly. I'm sure people can survive for like three days with their pages set to 20PPP.

What is even wrong with the old system? I never had a problem linking to a post.

It likes to mess up for people using different PPP to the person who linked it.

Except that it links to a single post now, so really there isn't any problem.

So then it appears one of the problems has been fixed.

Originally Posted by Som

Sometimes when theorizing it is nice to have multiple posts you can read. If there are 2 posts you are quoting on one page and 1 post on another page with 40 PPP then it'd be fine. But with 20 PPP you are just as likely to have to open 3 tabs. It's annoying. Say you leave for a week and come back to a thread that has had 80-100 posts since you last left. You have the potential of needing 5 tabs open just to quote the posts at 20PPP. With only the potential of 3 at 40 PPP.

Hell one of my biggest turn offs for going to another site is like when I go to Smashboards and they have 10PPP. It's annoying as all hell to have to change pages that much. Which is a large reason why I don't go there often. ZU was the only site I've been to that had 40 Posts per Page.

Why not just give us the choice for how much we want instead of setting it to only have one option.

Oh and Forte was right. That book example was really bad, no offense.

Multi quote button? They carry from page to page. No need to create tabs...

Also I don't see the big deal.

It is only PPP. Quit whining like a bunch of 3 year olds.

And don't give me some ****ty argument about flow. I could easily combat that with suspense.

Originally Posted by Cambria

Except that it links to a single post now, so really there isn't any problem.

Again, temporary solution. That post linking system isn't what we really want. We actually want a situation in which both types of post linking (in-thread and isolated) are available. That's a little more complicated because, as Cody said, the in-thread linkings are a little jumpy.

Originally when I limited the ppp it was set to in-thread linking. The settings have reset themselves. As I explained already, stuff isn't working properly.

I don't like repeating discussions I've already had with people in staff with people who aren't in staff. Seriously, deja vu. Stop asking so many questions, people. There are certain things I shouldn't have to explain when I'm doing maintenance and fixing.

In any given situation surrounding posts per page limits and post linking, assume it is temporary until I say otherwise. That simple.

Thread locked.