New Design and Owner of ZU. (Awesome!)

Originally Posted by SuperDecimal

Oh I see!
This is another one of thise "I am disgusted with the ZU of today, and yearn for the 'Golden days' of ZU."
You have the choice to frequent the forums or not.
If you are so disgusted with the forums today, please leave and dno not return - that is fully in you power.

And from flicking back through the last few pages, accusing the mods of falling into corruption, abusing their power, showing favouritsm and being like a Gestapo force certainly is an attack on the mods.
That is something you cannot deny.
None of your clearly constructive comments were constructive and encouraging in their primise' at all were they?

A mod even completely apologised his rash actions, though this was a single iolated case that was dealt with.
I fail to see why you deem it worthy to post such destructive comments and apply so generally to the mod team.

Close, the starter liked the changes but the others felt the past was better. So, it turned into one of those threads. But are good friend that believes in mod corruption still hasn't showed any good hard proof of this. Everything he has showed had a reason to be locked.

OK, fine! I give up on this argument! I'm fighting a losing battle with no support anymore! I'll back down. Is that OK? I know when I'm beat, and with 3 against me, it's pretty hard to win.

I just want to say that I started out attacking the mods, but realised later that it wasn't the whole mod team, just a few cases when they dished out unjust punishments, so I wanted to help that. I see that it wasn't the right course of action, eh?

I'll go now then, and leave this lost cause to be.

Originally Posted by The War Chief

OK, fine! I give up on this argument! I'm fighting a losing battle with no support anymore! I'll back down. Is that OK? I know when I'm beat, and with 3 against me, it's pretty hard to win.

I just want to say that I started out attacking the mods, but realised later that it wasn't the whole mod team, just a few cases when they dished out unjust punishments, so I wanted to help that. I see that it wasn't the right course of action, eh?

I'll go now then, and leave this lost cause to be.

If you back down, it should be because you realise that you're wrong, not because there is opposition. If that's the only reason you're backing down then nothing has been solved.

If all you had to complain about was a few, isolated, problems, then simply PM a mod about it, if whatever was done was wrong then it'll be fixed.

Originally Posted by GDwarf

If you back down, it should be because you realise that you're wrong, not because there is opposition. If that's the only reason you're backing down then nothing has been solved.

If all you had to complain about was a few, isolated, problems, then simply PM a mod about it, if whatever was done was wrong then it'll be fixed.

Maybe he's afraid that he'll get an infraction for doing something that he didn't do wrong!?

Originally Posted by Flaw

Maybe he's afraid that he'll get an infraction for doing something that he didn't do wrong!?

Then he would have had been got that infraction already since this fight has been going on for a few pages now. SD only asked how come they were talking about the mod subject again.

I'm surprized this one is still open.
Honestly though, if you can ask someone about ZU forums and the first thing they do is complain about the mods, there is obviously a problem.

I would try listening and giving in a little more to the regular members then trying to come up with some examples and excuses and send them on their way. Atleast if things don't work then, you can revert to power modding everything, but if they do you have less threads like this.

Someone even said, why are there more and more threads like this lately... too lazy to go back and check, and don't think I need to explain it now.

That's just my take on it though... I could be completely wrong, and so could everyone that complains about the situation, but I doubt it.

Originally Posted by xKillswitchx

I'm surprized this one is still open.
Honestly though, if you can ask someone about ZU forums and the first thing they do is complain about the mods, there is obviously a problem.

I would try listening and giving in a little more to the regular members then trying to come up with some examples and excuses and send them on their way. Atleast if things don't work then, you can revert to power modding everything, but if they do you have less threads like this.

Someone even said, why are there more and more threads like this lately... too lazy to go back and check, and don't think I need to explain it now.

That's just my take on it though... I could be completely wrong, and so could everyone that complains about the situation, but I doubt it.

The only thing the mods asked was to show them where they are making this place a bad scary place to be. People say they are afraid of being banned for something small, and that thread are being locked for no reason. No one has showed where these thing have taken place. Also if the mods are so mean and infair no one would be able to say a word about them being unfair. Right?

I'd like to see mods in the future locking threads without posting random images that they feel are funny in their final post. In my view, that ruins their integrity more than ever (and some of the images aren't even funny at all).

Niku, you've got it exactly.

Originally Posted by Flaw

Maybe he's afraid that he'll get an infraction for doing something that he didn't do wrong!?

If that was the case he'd have one already.

Originally Posted by xKillswitchx

I'm surprized this one is still open.

Why? As I pointed out earlier, every other complaint thread stayed open until there were no more complaints.

Honestly though, if you can ask someone about ZU forums and the first thing they do is complain about the mods, there is obviously a problem.

Where does this happen? And why, exactly, does this happen?

I would try listening and giving in a little more to the regular members then trying to come up with some examples and excuses and send them on their way.

Did I not extend an open invitation to show us what the mod team has done wrong? Every example given was of someone breaking the rules. I wasn't "coming up with excuses", I was pointing out that there are no examples of mods abusing their power, and wondering why people think that we do.


Since I, apparently, wasn't clear. This is an open call for any examples of a mod abusing their power. If I was a gambling sort of person, I'd be willing to lay well above 20:1 odds that you aren't able to find more than one incident, and that one will be a mistake.

I can also guarantee you amnesty from any repercussions you might fear from pointing these out.

I want to get to the bottom of this. I, personally, suspect that it's mostly new members who come from boards with laxer rules, such as Gaia or IGN, who see the tighter rules here as overly harsh, or just don't bother to read them and so see the mods as abusing their powers, but I'm more then willing to be proven wrong if someone can find a good example of this.

Originally Posted by The War Chief

And why shouldn't we get a say? We practically keep this forum around. The forum relies on the members to keep alive. What if all the members suddenly left and went to a forum with less power hungry mods (GDwarf: Read my posts on the previous page. I gave examples, and retaliated to your counter attack). This forum would die, and the others would prosper. This isn't real life where we can't just pack up our bags and go; we can here, so all the more reason for more power from the normal members.

If all the people like you just up and left? I'd actually be quite happy.

Especially since the people who would leave are the people I can't stand.

Granted, there are a few of the mods I have absolutely no respect for, but even then, not even they fill your description of 'Gestapo mod force.' If I had to choose between removing a mod from the team, or seeing you leave it a fit of fury because mods are too strict, I'd rather say goodbye to you.

And just to make a correction, the forum doesn't rely on the members to keep it around. It relies on the ads it puts up. Even if a few members formed a party and left, the reasonable members who aren't making a fuss would still be here.

Just thought I should render that threat useless. Carry on with the arguing. =/

I remember the last time a group of members declared a forum exodus because the mods were too strict. And thus, Masters of Hyrule came to being.

Originally Posted by Aex

And just to make a correction, the forum doesn't rely on the members to keep it around. It relies on the ads it puts up. Even if a few members formed a party and left, the reasonable members who aren't making a fuss would still be here.

Just thought I should render that threat useless. Carry on with the arguing. =/

I agree. The fact that people might leave because the mods are "too strict" would have a negligible affect on the forum. A fair number of us think the mods are doing fine in the big-picture sense. Maybe a couple scuffles here and there.

Seems like there are so many of us newbies, anyway, that if there was an exodus of old-timers it might go unnoticed.

- J

Originally Posted by GDwarf

Since I, apparently, wasn't clear. This is an open call for any examples of a mod abusing their power. If I was a gambling sort of person, I'd be willing to lay well above 20:1 odds that you aren't able to find more than one incident, and that one will be a mistake.

I can also guarantee you amnesty from any repercussions you might fear from pointing these out.

I want to get to the bottom of this. I, personally, suspect that it's mostly new members who come from boards with laxer rules, such as Gaia or IGN, who see the tighter rules here as overly harsh, or just don't bother to read them and so see the mods as abusing their powers, but I'm more then willing to be proven wrong if someone can find a good example of this.

All statements quoted above I agree with, and support. Complaining about actually valid things is not a problem at all.

Originally Posted by Scott

All statements quoted above I agree with, and support. Complaining about actually valid things is not a problem at all.

There you people go the big guy himself even is backing you up on this. So, for all you members that think that mods are abusing their powers and has some good proof. Please, please show us the member that don't believe you and the mods that want to lay this to bed.

I agree. The fact that people might leave because the mods are "too strict" would have a negligible affect on the forum. A fair number of us think the mods are doing fine in the big-picture sense. Maybe a couple scuffles here and there.

Seems like there are so many of us newbies, anyway, that if there was an exodus of old-timers it might go unnoticed.

Yeah, people leaving won't do much since the place is so big that I can't recall all the members that post here. And new people come everyday not that they all post or keep posting.

Please, show us people or may that subject rest in peace.

Originally Posted by Aex

And just to make a correction, the forum doesn't rely on the members to keep it around. It relies on the ads it puts up. Even if a few members formed a party and left, the reasonable members who aren't making a fuss would still be here.

...Huh?

Those ads are useless if there are no members to view them.

Originally Posted by F3

...Huh?

Those ads are useless if there are no members to view them.

Not really. Far as I know, the site still gets paid to put them up. But it doesn't matter since we're not discussing what would happen if all the members left. 'Cause they won't. This is an isolated complaint being made by a few members.

F3 is correct... ads require members to view them for income to be made, and therefore the site to remain.

Ah. Should I click the ads more often, then? That is to say, should I click them at all?

If you don't see something interesting, don't click it.