New Dragon Ball Series!?

Yes, there is. Even I knew that. And I edited my post. And giving reasons is not elaborating.


Can someone please explain to me the logic behind debating with someone why they don't like a show?

Originally Posted by cdx75xmx

Ugh.., its a really ****** chinese film based very loosely off the series.

I don't think its that loose, if DB was DB or is it based of Monkey.

Well since you edited your post:

Originally Posted by Tigerboi

Ok, fine, listen carefully:

End of the frieza Saga, when Frieza destroyed namek in a desperate attempt to beat Goku, he figured it would work because Saiyans can't breath in space. Wait, since when? (Since when did they breath in space? Oh yeah, the thing with Vegeta training in space to become a Super Saiyan was a mistake by TOEI, the animation company that made the original DB manga into a anime series. In the original manga, it never really showed where Vegeta trained.)

In the Bardock movie (which unlike the mosty movies, was actually a part of the timeline) bardock FLEW INTO OUTSPACE. Am I wrong? Did Bardock only do that in the dub? No. (Mistake by TOEI, again. Remember the mistake they made with Piccolo destroying Goku's space pod he came in when he was a baby? In the manga that never happened and Goku used the parts of that pod, that Piccolo destroyed in the anime, to get a new ship to go to Namek. In the anime he used Raditz's ship. But the plot hole there is that Raditz's ship was destroyed by Gohan in both the manga and anime in the first part of the Saiyan Saga.) More examples:

The thing with the sayian tails was so poorly explained it was funny. In DB when goku lost his tail it usually grew back, right? (Um, no! In DB Goku lost his tail once and only once, which happened in the Piccolo Jr. Saga. He never grew it back in the official canon of Dragon Ball, which isn't DB:GT.) Why it did to begin with was never actually explained. By anyone, but check this out:

Why did it out of nowhere just STOP growing back? (Maybe because it never grew back in the first place. Gohan growing back his tail that Piccolo cut off was a mistake by TOEI and it wasn't in the original manga.) Some other DBZ came up with the theory that maybe they stop growing back when you reach a certain age. If that's the case, why did Goten and Trunks NEVER HAVE TAILS? (Well wouldn't it make sense for any person who knows what a Saiyan does when it sees a full moon to make sure that doesn't happen? Apparentlly Chi-Chi and Bulma [Or probably any existing Saiyan during the time they were born.] had the sense to cut it off before it causes trouble.) And no, funimation played no part in this contradiction.

There are more, lots more, but let's move onto the actual reason why I dislike DBZ:

The whole concept, the idea....I just find it really dumb. Dragon ball is a martail arts anime right? If so why does it feature no real winning tactics other than "BE STRONGER THAN THIS GUY. LOLZ" (Well, does there have to be tactics? When people fight in DBZ they just go with the flow and the find the weaknesses and strengths of their opponents. And that works just fine.) the sagas are extremly long drawn out and the fight scenes use the same damn basic effects all the time. (Well I do agree that the battles are very, very long and dragged out, but the same effects aren't used in every battle.) How many times exactly did we see that same effect in which a large attack creates a dust cloud? (Like I said, they aren't the same effects over and over again.) A cloud that leads the attacker to beleive the victim to be dead...but they NEVER ARE. (Actually, they do eventually die.) They're always standing with thier arms folded after the dust cloud with some smug look on thier face. (Yep! And that's what keeps DBZ going.) There's more reasons, but I don't feel like going into them. I don't like Dragon ball. Get over it. (I'm allowed to challenge your reasons. But this is getting off the original topic. I'll make a topic, later when I have the time, asking what people's thoughts about Dragon Ball are, and we can discuss this there. But for now let's stop.)

*BOLD*

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Originally Posted by Ninboy

Ahhhh, you'd be suprised as it is real, it is actually based of the DB series with names and everything.

Mind if you post pics? Or PM them to me because I want to see what you're talking about.

My point was, none of that has to do with the dubbed version.

Well wouldn't it make sense for any person who knows what a Saiyan does when it sees a full moon to make sure that doesn't happen? Apparentlly Chi-Chi and Bulma [Or probably any existing Saiyan during the time they were born.] had the sense to cut it off before it causes trouble.)[/b]

Piccolo blew up the moon. Anime or manga, they were both produced by the same creator and even then they are both valid source materials.

(Well, does there have to be tactics? When people fight in DBZ they just go with the flow and the find the weaknesses and strengths of their opponents. And that works just fine.)

Obviously I disagree. And if DBZ wants to be a martail arts anime, then yes, there needs to be tactics...because martail arts has tactics.

(Like I said, they aren't the same effects over and over again.) A cloud that leads the attacker to beleive the victim to be dead...but they NEVER ARE. (Actually, they do eventually die.) They're always standing with thier arms folded after the dust cloud with some smug look on thier face. (Yep! And that's what keeps DBZ going.)

They don't use the same effects over and over. Actually they do eventually die. Yep. and that's what keeps it going.

what?

I don't know what you were watching but -I- seen that happen countless times. I'm aware that they do die in DBZ (that has little to do with what I was saying) and keeping it going is exactly one of the problems I think it has.

I'm going to say this one more time. I don't like DBZ. Get over it.


EDIT: One last thing. Toei had little (I.E., nothing) to do with the creation of DB. They only published it. I think the company you mean is bird studios....the compnay that also did the manga.

Example: Lime (DBZ)
On TvTome(A website) I read that in Japan Lime was a main character but in America she only appeared in: A Girl Named Lime(Episode 155) and I have the episode so I know....

..If she was a mian character, what was her role? The differences between the American and Jap versions are not really drastic at all. Meaning both versions pretty much suck.

Other than that filler episode, Lime never again made another major appearance.

Originally Posted by Tigerboi

Meaning both versions pretty much suck.

Quoted for truth.

What? A new Db series? I wouldn't count on that, I stopped watching it when DBGT started because I knew it was going to suck. And guess what, it did, they need to bring the old DBZ episodes back. Now that was good,the good old days.......

Originally Posted by Tigerboi

My point was, none of that has to do with the dubbed version.

No, it's a fact that the problem with DBZ is that it was dubbed bad.

Originally Posted by Tigerboi

Piccolo blew up the moon. Anime or manga, they were both produced by the same creator and even then they are both valid source materials.

And your point?

Originally Posted by Tigerboi

Obviously I disagree. And if DBZ wants to be a martail arts anime, then yes, there needs to be tactics...because martail arts has tactics.

What tactics do you want? The tactics of each character kinda vary, Piccolo plans out his moves while Goku just goes in and owns the opponent, ect.....

Originally Posted by Tigerboi

what?

I don't know what you were watching but -I- seen that happen countless times. I'm aware that they do die in DBZ (that has little to do with what I was saying) and keeping it going is exactly one of the problems I think it has.

I'm talking about the moves of ki blast that each character produces, they are all different in a certain way. And DBZ's continuity didn't bother me one bit because it was all awesome and it keeped me entertained.

Originally Posted by Tigerboi

I'm going to say this one more time. I don't like DBZ. Get over it.

Yes, but I'm allowed to question your reasons.

Originally Posted by Tigerboi

EDIT: One last thing. Toei had little (I.E., nothing) to do with the creation of DB. They only published it. I think the company you mean is bird studios....the compnay that also did the manga.

No, TOEI had a lot to do with the animation and editing of DBZ. They were the ones who actually made the plot holes in the anime in general, FUNimation made it worse.

Originally Posted by Lord Ganon

No, it's a fact that the problem with DBZ is that it was dubbed bad.

No, I think that's an opinion. One that I disagree with. My disliking for DBZ has nothing to do with the dubbing.

And your point?

That cutting off thier tails wouldn't have one seeing as there was no moon? Anyway, the anime itself left this detail completely unexplained. You can only make a theory to debate this flaw, which proves my point.

What tactics do you want?

None of which that are offered by DBZ.

The tactics of each character kinda vary, Piccolo plans out his moves while Goku just goes in and owns the opponent, ect.....

I disagree.

I'm talking about the moves of ki blast that each character produces, they are all different in a certain way. And DBZ's continuity didn't bother me one bit because it was all awesome and it keeped me entertained.

Well, that didn't apply to me. You know.....seeing as it sucked and I didn't like it.

Yes, but I'm allowed to question your reasons.

Indeed. Congrats on wasting your time.

No, TOEI had a lot to do with the animation and editing of DBZ. They were the ones who actually made the plot holes in the anime in general, FUNimation made it worse.

No. The anime was produced by Akira Toriyama. The producer is the one who overlooks everything....animation and editing included. Of course, this doesn't apply to the fuinimation version (which is mostly the same) but, that isn't the version I first saw anyway: I was watching DBZ before the funimation dub even exsisted. Making your consistant points about the dub extremly pointless.

Originally Posted by Tigerboi

No, I think that's an opinion. One that I disagree with. My disliking for DBZ has nothing to do with the dubbing.

Well most of the time, with most people, it does.

Originally Posted by Tigerboi

That cutting off thier tails wouldn't have one seeing as there was no moon? Anyway, the anime itself left this detail completely unexplained. You can only make a theory to debate this flaw, which proves my point.

Well it never was explained, it was pretty obvious that the tail was a vital part in the transformation into a Oozuru.

Originally Posted by Tigerboi

None of which that are offered by DBZ.

Originally Posted by Tigerboi

I disagree.

Originally Posted by Tigerboi

Well, that didn't apply to me. You know.....seeing as it sucked and I didn't like it.

Well since it would be stupid to say the same thing responding to each of these quotes, I'll just combine it into one statement. I guess that's more of a opinion that requires certain people to have certain taste.

Originally Posted by Tigerboi

Indeed. Congrats on wasting your time.

I waisted my time? We all waist our free time when we talk on forums.

Originally Posted by Tigerboi

No. The anime was produced by Akira Toriyama. The producer is the one who overlooks everything....animation and editing included. Of course, this doesn't apply to the fuinimation version (which is mostly the same) but, that isn't the version I first saw anyway: I was watching DBZ before the funimation dub even exsisted. Making your consistant points about the dub extremly pointless.

Though it was produced by Akira Toriyama, TOEI actually did the animation and scripts of the anime. Fillers were created so the writers could explore the DBZ universe and to make the anime fit with the timeing of the manga being made, meaning that they had to make fillers to wait until Toriyama creates the next volume/chapter of DBZ so they can make a episode/s about it.

Bah, this discussion is way off topic.

"Though it was produced by Akira Toriyama, TOEI actually did the animation and scripts of the anime. Fillers were created so the writers could explore the DBZ universe and to make the anime fit with the timeing of the manga being made, meaning that they had to make fillers to wait until Toriyama creates the next volume/chapter of DBZ so they can make a episode/s about it."

Right...So basically, what you are saying is that Toriyama simultaneously produced and didn't produce DBZ...?

Originally Posted by R-Typer

Right...So basically, what you are saying is that Toriyama simultaneously produced and didn't produce DBZ...?

What I meant was that he supervised TOEI's staff that made DB/DBZ. He never did any of the animation, that was all done by TOEI's animators and cartoonist.

Well, yeah, seeing as he isn't part of the animation team....he was the producer. Everything that was put into this anime had to get his approval.

Originally Posted by Lord Ganon

What I meant was that he supervised TOEI's staff that made DB/DBZ. He never did any of the animation, that was all done by TOEI's animators and cartoonist.

And this has to do with...?

Originally Posted by Lord Ganon

Well most of the time, with most people, it does.

Okay?

Well it never was explained, it was pretty obvious that the tail was a vital part in the transformation into a Oozuru.

........

Yeah, but, you see, there was no point in cutting off thier tails seeing as there was no moon, right?

Well since it would be stupid to say the same thing responding to each of these quotes, I'll just combine it into one statement. I guess that's more of a opinion that requires certain people to have certain taste.

DUH! Seeing as you acknowlegde that, why did you start this conversation?

I waisted my time? We all waist our free time when we talk on forums.

I disagree. Agian, congrats.

Originally Posted by R-Typer

And this has to do with...?

As I recall you asked me this question:

Originally Posted by R-Typer

Right...So basically, what you are saying is that Toriyama simultaneously produced and didn't produce DBZ...?

And I answered you when I posted this:

Originally Posted by Lord Ganon

What I meant was that he supervised TOEI's staff that made DB/DBZ. He never did any of the animation, that was all done by TOEI's animators and cartoonist.

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Originally Posted by Tigerboi

Okay?

And what question are you trying to ask?

Originally Posted by Tigerboi

........

Yeah, but, you see, there was no point in cutting off thier tails seeing as there was no moon, right?

Better safe than sorry, right? Another thing could happen like when Vegeta created blutz waves to turn into an Oozuru. If everyone had their tales and something like that happens the the whole Earth would be destroyed.

Originally Posted by Tigerboi

DUH! Seeing as you acknowlegde that, why did you start this conversation?

Why did you continue it when I said to stop?

Originally Posted by Tigerboi

I disagree. Agian, congrats.

How can you disagree when it's a fact that talking on forums is done in your free time, meaning you're wasting it?

What R-typer meant is what the hell does the animation have to do with anything? HE STILL PRODUCED IT. I asked you that to.

The question I'm asking: What does most peoples problem with the dubbing have to do with me?

Better safe than sorry, right? Another thing could happen like when Vegeta created blutz waves to turn into an Oozuru. If everyone had their tales and something like that happens the the whole Earth would be destroyed.

Again, that's theory, thus proving my point.


And how exactly can you waste free time? I meant you were wasting time in the act of having the pointless disscussion with me, that so far, has amounted to nothing.

It's obvious you're running out of things to say, so I'll depart now.


From now on, I shall call you Peaches.

I just bought an episode of GT on video....and....you guys are right...if they made another show it would....suck....Oh and can someone post on my fan fic? There's a link in my sigg....

Originally Posted by Tigerboi

What R-typer meant is what the hell does the animation have to do with anything? HE STILL PRODUCED IT. I asked you that to.

I thought he was asking if Toriyama did any of the animation. That was a mistake on my part.

Originally Posted by Tigerboi

The question I'm asking: What does most peoples problem with the dubbing have to do with me?

I never said it did, I said that is mostlly the problem with most people about DBZ.

Originally Posted by Tigerboi

And how exactly can you waste free time? I meant you were wasting time in the act of having the pointless disscussion with me, that so far, has amounted to nothing.

You're the one who is continuing this pointless discussion, I just stated my opinion about yours and it didn't have to become a disscussion about DBZ but you replied. I told you earlier to stop this disscussion because it's against the rules to get way off topic, but you seem to want to continue it for some reason. And don't tell me that I'm breaking the rules too because I know that, I'm just stateing that we need to both stop before this topic goes way out of hand.

Originally Posted by Tigerboi

It's obvious you're running out of things to say, so I'll depart now.

If I ran out of things to say then I wouldn't say things.

Originally Posted by KingSkullkid

I just bought an episode of GT on video....and....you guys are right...if they made another show it would....suck....Oh and can someone post on my fan fic? There's a link in my sigg....

So I guess this thread is pretty pointless now, eh?