Critique Central!

O: Thank you sooo much, GD! *glomps* ^^

I really appreciate an in depth analysis like that. Though... I could read what some of it said. Like, by the creature thing's head and the one at the very bottom... Would you mind clarifying that a bit? ^^;;

Oh, and I haven't used pen to draw in ages... I only use mechanical pencil. And, the occasional normal pencil if I find it. X3

Oh ok ^_^

At the creature's Head:

When someone is looking down that far the shoulders automatic go with it, because they are (as you know) are attached to the body. You just didn't make that seem clear enough on your drawing that he was looking down. (:

At the bottom:

I was discussing the whole fairy's leg position. It is off balanced with the position of the body. It seems you have put the leg INFRONT of the right leg.



Now, for the over all position. I need to stress. IF you can't do it, then your person in your drawing can't do it either. (:

Ooooh! Thank you very much, again. : D

I see what you mean, I see what you mean. I'll work on that. I have a problem with liking odd positions and not being able to execute them. Which is why I keep doing them. :3

This helps me lots, gracias soo much. ^_^

Hokay

A few things first -

Mi- that is a gORgeous piece. I always stare at it whenever you post it. Do you know what catches me about it every time? the golden lacing on the shoes xD
(what is that? coloured pencil?)

Alucard - whenever you decide to post any of your manga attempts we'll be more than welcoming =) have fun drawing and don't restrict yourself to manga ^___^

.||Zeldax3||. - you, too, will be very welcome to post anything! just make sure that you are agreeing for it to be critiqued to Mars nd back if Ash and I have any say in it! ;p
If you still don't mind - jump aboard!

Now, Ash did a brilliant job with critiquing your piece Cio, though I disagree with her in one bit ;p (which I explain seperately in a sec) . Hmm.. actually, she didn't leave much for me :<
Ash always hogs everything and bullies me and steals my lollies .__.
=D
Now on to the thingywhatsit-






(EDIT - I APOLOGISE FOR MY HORRENDOUS TABLET-WRITING! if you can't make out something, please tell me >___> *blushes and shuffles off*)

Angels with 2 ponytails are actually extraordinarily. They normally have long hanging on their shoulders. That's generally the biggest mistake, no other comments.

Hmm? so the character isn't an original character of Cio's? oh, that's what I thought at first xD

But anyway, even so,I wouldn't call "having a different hairstyle" a mistake- this is art and anyone can take any character and play around with them to produce their own versions and variants. That's what art is all about ^__^

However
Note: if a character you draw is not yours, please state whom they are and the extent you have relied on official artwork
If it's a trace, then there's nothing much we can critique you on, for example, since positioning and anatomy etc would have been well taken care of by the original image. And that way, we won't be able to give you the critique you *need* ,, addressing your weaknesses and such, in order for you to move forward. This is directed at all!

Originally Posted by Anime_Queen

Now, Ash did a brilliant job with critiquing your piece Cio, though I disagree with her in one bit ;p (which I explain seperately in a sec) . Hmm.. actually, she didn't leave much for me :<
Ash always hogs everything and bullies me and steals my lollies .__.
=D
Now on to the thingywhatsit-

And always great to get a second opinion, eh Cio. Thanks Asia. I HONESTLY tried to get to what you were saying, but I don't think I obviously reached it. I'm horrible with expressing myself through words.

Quick Question, since your the Thread Starter

Can you repost the picture that got critique from with the advanaces? Obviously set a rule, how many "reposts" you can have i.e. even three. But, just a thought. ^_^

Thank you so much too, Asia! And, your tablet writing is fine. Thankies for the advice. I'll definitely work on it tooo. ^__^

Hm? What's this about this not being an original character of mine? X3

It's not a character, but I never got it from anything else. I mean, at least not that I can remember. o-o;;

I was just thinking of the typical animeish hair style and something to add...

I can't see the tablet drawing of yours, Anime_Queen! D:
It is a silly old red x.

But, I have a peice I would like to get some advice on ... I am having trouble finding a color for his lips, and not making them too feminine like, even though he is elfish. This is my frist time working with a tablet thingy and coloring. I also was unaware of how to get rid of the pencily marks...or make the paint go over it. My program is photoshop 3 elements, or something.




And here is the regular scanned version.

Oh gosh DekuQueen, I can't provide any help here >.o I'm not one for scanning and then using the tablet. Umm.. The only thing I can suggest is that you use the eraser and get ride of the lines that you don't want. Or you could, create a new layer (and put it above your line art) and go over the lines with the colour you want.

Colours eh? Well, you could leave it like that Or, maybe, dark the colour you've got. Go into your colour circle and move your pointer vertically down to make the colour slightly duller but have the same sort of colour theme as the checks, and face.

It looks REALLy nice, the only thing I see anything slightly out of position is the chin, it seems to stick out away from the face too much. However, that is a REALLy beautiful piece DekuQueen ^_^

Sorry I couldn't be much help.

I likes it alot! I really like the hair, and am surprised how lifelike you were able to make him.

Yes, his chin might stick out a little far. By no means, inhumanly far, but it might look a little better if its pushed back a smig. There’s nothing actually wrong with the ears, but personally, I think they could look better. Not sure how though. The biggest problem I see is his lips. Ya, you might need to change their color so it doesn’t look like he's wearing lipgloss, but they're a bit to big and stick out to far. Again, not inhumanly big, but if your worried he looks to much like a girl, give him not girl lips

Stills an amazing picture though

Originally Posted by Anime_Queen

Hokay

A few things first -

Mi- that is a gORgeous piece. I always stare at it whenever you post it. Do you know what catches me about it every time? the golden lacing on the shoes xD
(what is that? coloured pencil?)

Squee! ^^
It's all felt tips.
I can't see you piccies, honey - they're little red x's.

Originally Posted by DekuQueen

I can't see the tablet drawing of yours,
But, I have a peice I would like to get some advice on ... I am having trouble finding a color for his lips, and not making them too feminine like, even though he is elfish. This is my frist time working with a tablet thingy and coloring. I also was unaware of how to get rid of the pencily marks...or make the paint go over it. My program is photoshop 3 elements, or something.

This is a simply amazing picture, Miss. Queen!
It appears you've used light shades of Pink, this definately gives a more feminine look, perhaps, to accentuate lips, yet keep a masculine feel about them, make them a slight-brown colour that is darker than your skin tone, and only apply it fully to the top lip.
Then, make the colour of the lower lip slightly lighter than the tone of the skin on the face in general.

I'll print the scanned version, colour it with pencils quickly to show you what I mean, then upload it.

I'll edit it in just now, just gimme 5 mins to colour. :3

EDIT:


Okay, the print-out came out quite badly with loads of horizontal lines and lots of grain, and the re-scan made it a little worse, but the colours didn't wash out too much.
This is my opinion for lips that look masculine - colour the top lip a colour that's a darker tone than the skin tone, with a hint of brown, then wash out/lighten the colour on the bottom lip.
THis is just my opinion, so apologies if it's not effective! ^_^;



EDIT: GOt bored, couldn't help it! :XD
Fabric creases sure are hard to shade realistically! >_<

Originally Posted by Ganon's daughter

Oh gosh DekuQueen, I can't provide any help here >.o I'm not one for scanning and then using the tablet. Umm.. The only thing I can suggest is that you use the eraser and get ride of the lines that you don't want. Or you could, create a new layer (and put it above your line art) and go over the lines with the colour you want.

Oh! I'm so silly ... I never thought about actually using the earaser tool. What do you know. Thanks for your help.

It looks REALLy nice, the only thing I see anything slightly out of position is the chin, it seems to stick out away from the face too much. However, that is a REALLy beautiful piece DekuQueen ^_^

Well, I'm glad you like it. I agree with the chin, now that I've steped away for a while and looked at it again. I edited it in the next version; just made it a little less prominant.

Yes, his chin might stick out a little far. By no means, inhumanly far, but it might look a little better if its pushed back a smig. There’s nothing actually wrong with the ears, but personally, I think they could look better. Not sure how though. The biggest problem I see is his lips. Ya, you might need to change their color so it doesn’t look like he's wearing lipgloss, but they're a bit to big and stick out to far. Again, not inhumanly big, but if your worried he looks to much like a girl, give him not girl lips

No, I understand what you are saying. I just have problems with really essentuating the features on faces sometimes and they turn out too femaleish. Heh, which is funny, because I draw males more often than I do females. I find guys easier to do, in portraits. Except for lips, of course. XD

Originally Posted by SD

Okay, the print-out came out quite badly with loads of horizontal lines and lots of grain, and the re-scan made it a little worse, but the colours didn't wash out too much.
This is my opinion for lips that look masculine - colour the top lip a colour that's a darker tone than the skin tone, with a hint of brown, then wash out/lighten the colour on the bottom lip.
THis is just my opinion, so apologies if it's not effective! ^_^;

Leave it up to SD to go all out when helping someone. Ha, thanks man for going through the trouble...I feel all special and such. But yes, I did try what you told me to do with the upper lip, and it's strange how I did see what you were saying. Thanks, and hopefully it's become a bit more to what I wanted.

(Is it alright if I post it again? I wasn't sure according to the rules.)




But yeah, thanks everyone for helping.

And yes SD, folds on clothes are a real pain sometimes...and oh, I love the idea for blue as his cloak now! It matches his eyes...mmm. As you can see I'm sorta stuck halfway in the hair color. White hair seemed like a neat idea, but then for some reason I started coloring the tips yellow. Lots more work to do on that.

Originally Posted by DekuQueen

No no no - Blonde hair goes great with red!
Okay - some more talk on the lips. :3
THe way that the bottom lip is coloured makes it stand out a little, more than the top lip, is there any way you could colour it the same kind of colour, like the area of skin under the elf's left (our right) eye?
Then, perhaps make the top lip look slightly fuller to accentuate it more, and make it look more masculine, and (in my opinion) perhaps make the line between the two lips less obvious?
The 'Bow' or whatever it's called (looks a bit like an 'm') makes it look like he's pouting somewhat, perhaps just colour over that - if the two lips aer two different colors, the need for a differentiating line won't be needed. :3

Hoi! I haven't posted in this particular thread before but... I needs help! @_@

Zis picture is a request for Knives - and I have never drawn two people kissing. I still have trouble drawing to people on the same page !!

I know there is something wrong with the hands, the arm... basically the whole thing really >_<; And no matter how hard I try to change it... it doesn't work ;-;

That's really good. The hands look okay to me. You're better at hands than I am, that's for sure. Hands are the only thing I can't seem to get right. That drawing is overall really good! I really don't have a lot more I could say about it, except that the woman's neck is too long.

I want to post something new in here, but I have to wait for one more comment...and nobody is replying to it in my art thread. >.>

Originally Posted by HitokiriChibi

Hoi! I haven't posted in this particular thread before but... I needs help! @_@

Zis picture is a request for Knives - and I have never drawn two people kissing. I still have trouble drawing to people on the same page !!

I know there is something wrong with the hands, the arm... basically the whole thing really >_<; And no matter how hard I try to change it... it doesn't work ;-;

O: CHIBI NEEDS HELP!? I do believe that the world is ending.

Anyway, I'll try to help... I don't have any tablets or anything... so... I'll just try... x-x;;

Well, I'll start off saying, I love it! I always do, so don't mind me. Secondly, the guy is practically flawless, but the positioning of his hand is a little more to the right than would go with the kiss... Course, I've never actually kiss anyone so I wouldn't know what positions one would be kissing. X3

And, when it comes to Knives, I'd say to make her shoulders a tad bit more broad to go with her long neck, therefore making it proportional. Or, shorten the neck and keep the shoulders. But, given the size of the head, I think the shoulders would be the better thing to fix... Course, I've never veen in that position so I wouldn't know. <<;;

The last thing would be her arm so that it looks either more withdrawn or shut out by extending her upper arm regional place thing...

Yeah, I'm just going to stop now. I still think that's a great piece though. The emotions are so vivid. ^^

Yes! Another comment!

That means I can post this, right? It's pretty new. Only finished it completely yesterday.



You can ignore my other drawings of Kelli because THIS is what she truly looks like. I hope you all will think she's hot now because she's supposed to be.

Gah - I don't have any easy-to-see felt tips, so I pointed things out with Pencil.
It's a lil' tricky to see, and my writing's not good in a hurry, so I'll walk you through it.



Okay I think the only real 'problem' (and I use that word loosley, as every artist has a unique style) I believe you have is correct anatomy.
I see with the eyes that you've taken inspiration from the 'Young Link' model from the OOT official art, but the eyes really do take up a lot of space, so, perhaps simply making them slightly smaller would be better and make the face that much more proportional.

With the nose, it seems to me to be like "very ban animé nose" in that it's a tiny, discrete, very angular trianlge of sorts.
Some advice to remedy this is to simply make the upper line of the nose join from the upper eyebrow, with the lower line of the nose being more flat, with just a slight, small curve beside to to make the nostril look like it exists. Otherwise, it looks very 2D and flat.

In regards to the face though, I like the shading with the blush.
For her neck, to make it not look like it's a perfect cone, add some lines, afterall, all parts of the body have contour lines at some point.
Also, where her neck meet her torso, add an'elongated M' to show her shoulder bones, and introduce the body properly.

In addition, with both men and women, differentiate the arms form the breast area, simply with two lines as I have drawn in, otherwise, it looks like the arms start half-way down her body.

Now, with the dress, it's very well articulated, but at some places, it looks lkie solid materal, rather than fabric, all you need to do is add a few well-placed creases in my opinion, like on her shawl around her shoulders, show the creases of the material wrapped around her arms, so it looks more natural and graceful.
The Boobs are very well drawn, and they're usually the hardest thing to draw!

The arms were like snakes, they simply start from her shawl, and end at her thigh, there's no indication that it's an arm with bones, and it looks quite flimsy, so simply make the arms straighter, with an angular elbow too make them more realistic.
Also, make the hand much larger and angular, that way, they look more real and natural, as before, they looked so small and rounded that they looked like tennis balls. ^_^;

Lastly, the veil is almost completely straight and rigid.
It's a very fluid and loose piece of material, so make it loose, free and more natural.

Sorry, I can't see the words you've written. :/

Oh, and for the eyes, I actually got my inspiration from Adult Link and Adult Zelda, not Young Link.

And I like your suggestions. Though the way you put lines on her arms make them look like they're in a fixed position and not relaxed, like they're supposed to be. :/

Other than that, I like your suggestions, SD, so I'll keep them in mind for my next drawing. :3