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Old 06-21-2006, 12:28 PM
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Except, in the only other two games in which we see the Triforce mark on the hero's hand, it is used to symbolize that he possesses the Triforce of Courage, not that he would end up being a hero.
I see your point, but the in game explanation is that it is the symbol of a chosen hero. But at this point only one game showed he has the ToC, unless you mean AoL, but he never had the ToC at the beginning.

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I always interpreted the castle scene as a dream.
Then how'd he end up in Labrynna and Holodrum? Magic Trumpet? And what about the first lines of the game- 'accept our quest hero'.
In fact I think I have a solution to why the Triforce acted that way for only that occasion. The Oracles- who are most likely mortal forms of the Goddesses- were in danger, maybe the Triforce was acting to protect a part of it's makers.

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[We know it goes back into the Sacred Realm, as it has returned there by the ALttP era after the events of WW.
Only when it has been touched and a wish has been made on it. Notice Link never actually touched it in the Oracles.
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Old 06-21-2006, 12:44 PM
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I do seem to recall the song of the ALttP's ending credits being named the Hero of Light. I'll look into this matter a bit and find out who's who.
I believe the Hero Of Light was given to Link in FSA.

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-The zora's were evil in ALLTP while they were a good race in OOT also were was ruto in ALLTP?she is the princess of the zora's isn't she?
ALttP takes place hundreds of years of years after TWW, at least thousands. If you are saying that there is suppose the same princess Ruto then you wrong. Like one of my theories goes about the evolution of the zoras explains how they change. It's something like this if ALttP takes place after OoT and TWW it would make sense to explain why the zoras look the way they looked in ALttP. They look very much like the zolas. There are also zolas in TWW so perhaps after TWW they took form from them. With this being said they probably know nothing of their original form in OoT. They probably have didnt customs that's why in ALttp they are meaner.

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I see your point, but the in game explanation is that it is the symbol of a chosen hero. But at this point only one game showed he has the ToC, unless you mean AoL, but he never had the ToC at the beginning.
Yes he does. In the beginning of the game on his 16th birthday a triforce mark appeared on his left hand. That's when Impa told him about the "door that never opens"...

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Old 06-21-2006, 02:20 PM
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I believe the Hero Of Light was given to Link in FSA.



ALttP takes place hundreds of years of years after TWW, at least thousands. If you are saying that there is suppose the same princess Ruto then you wrong. Like one of my theories goes about the evolution of the zoras explains how they change. It's something like this if ALttP takes place after OoT and TWW it would make sense to explain why the zoras look the way they looked in ALttP. They look very much like the zolas. There are also zolas in TWW so perhaps after TWW they took form from them. With this being said they probably know nothing of their original form in OoT. They probably have didnt customs that's why in ALttp they are meaner.
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ummmmmm...the point i'm trying to make is that ALLTP and OOT don't have the same Link,the zora's evolved into the rito's and its never been confirmed when ALLTP takes place.
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Old 06-21-2006, 02:39 PM
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ummmmmm...the point i'm trying to make is that ALLTP and OOT don't have the same Link,the zora's evolved into the rito's and its never been confirmed when ALLTP takes place.
Yeah that's pretty obvious by what people said in this thread already.
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Old 06-21-2006, 02:49 PM
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I see your point, but the in game explanation is that it is the symbol of a chosen hero. But at this point only one game showed he has the ToC, unless you mean AoL, but he never had the ToC at the beginning.
Of course not. He possesses the whole shebang. The fact that it's also considered the symbol of the hero doesn't change that it is the Triforce mark.

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Then how'd he end up in Labrynna and Holodrum? Magic Trumpet? And what about the first lines of the game- 'accept our quest hero'.
In fact I think I have a solution to why the Triforce acted that way for only that occasion. The Oracles- who are most likely mortal forms of the Goddesses- were in danger, maybe the Triforce was acting to protect a part of it's makers.
Then the Triforce would be telling hm what to do, in a dream, as is typical of the Zelda series, and he would depart on his own. No evidence is given as to how he arrived at either Holodrum or Labrynnia.

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Only when it has been touched and a wish has been made on it. Notice Link never actually touched it in the Oracles.
Of course not. I never said he did.
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Old 06-21-2006, 03:30 PM
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Then the Triforce would be telling hm what to do, in a dream, as is typical of the Zelda series, and he would depart on his own. No evidence is given as to how he arrived at either Holodrum or Labrynnia.
Yep alot of the games start after a dream, but y'know they end ensuring that you know it's a dream. Considering that the games actually begin with Link falling through the portal the Triforce sent him through I would have thought it'd be obvious that the Triforce hall scene actually happened.

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Of course not. He possesses the whole shebang. The fact that it's also considered the symbol of the hero doesn't change that it is the Triforce mark.
Alright, so it's either the indication that he actually owns the entire Triforce or a Birthmark showing him as a destined Hero. I'm still inclined towards the birthmark because he doesn't know Zelda, which he would if he were ALttP Link.
'My name is Zelda. You are Link, right? I knew it at first glance.'
Why would she reintroduce herself if she already knew him? Also the 'I knew it at first glance' bit is because she could recognise him as a hero as he just saved her, he has the Triforce mark, which everyone says is a mark of one with a special fate and she has prophetic powers so she could have seen him in a vision.

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Of course not. I never said he did.
I know you never, I'm just noting how it's actions may have differed depending on the actions of the finder.
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Old 06-21-2006, 04:24 PM
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Yep alot of the games start after a dream, but y'know they end ensuring that you know it's a dream. Considering that the games actually begin with Link falling through the portal the Triforce sent him through I would have thought it'd be obvious that the Triforce hall scene actually happened.
The games don't begin with him "landing" in Holodrum and Labrynnia, though, so it is unclear whether this "falling" actually happened. And, again, dreams often end with "falling", hence why we have the term "falling dreams".

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Alright, so it's either the indication that he actually owns the entire Triforce or a Birthmark showing him as a destined Hero. I'm still inclined towards the birthmark because he doesn't know Zelda, which he would if he were ALttP Link.
Just as Zelda obviously doesn't know Link in the ending sequence of Ocarina of Time, even though he is the same Link. And, this could have taken place a number of years after the events of ALttP, in which case it is perfectly conceivable that Zelda would not recognize him. After all, it is suggested that the Link in ALttP is about the same age as Young Link from OoT, and yet, no such age is suggested for OoS/OoA Link.

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'My name is Zelda. You are Link, right? I knew it at first glance.'
Why would she reintroduce herself if she already knew him? Also the 'I knew it at first glance' bit is because she could recognise him as a hero as he just saved her, he has the Triforce mark, which everyone says is a mark of one with a special fate and she has prophetic powers so she could have seen him in a vision.
See above.
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Old 06-22-2006, 11:20 AM
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The games don't begin with him "landing" in Holodrum and Labrynnia, though, so it is unclear whether this "falling" actually happened. And, again, dreams often end with "falling", hence why we have the term "falling dreams".
But they do begin with him landing in the lands. Remember? The area seems to 'fade' in, then he lands in the area, either awake, like in OoA, or unconscious like OoS.

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Just as Zelda obviously doesn't know Link in the ending sequence of Ocarina of Time, even though he is the same Link. And, this could have taken place a number of years after the events of ALttP, in which case it is perfectly conceivable that Zelda would not recognize him. After all, it is suggested that the Link in ALttP is about the same age as Young Link from OoT, and yet, no such age is suggested for OoS/OoA Link.
Hmm? She didn't recognise him, or was she taken aback at his reappearance? I wouldn't really say it's obvious. That ending was after some time travel, the time travel could have made that ending the first time Zelda met Link.
No such time travel takes place after ALttP, unless the events of OoA screwed up the timeline, but I doubt it. Therefore there is a large difference between these two game endings, OoT Zelda could have forgotten Link because of the time travel screwing around with things but there isn't a reason I can think of that would make ALttP Zelda forget Link.

'And, this could have taken place a number of years after the events of ALttP, in which case it is perfectly conceivable that Zelda would not recognize him.'

I wouldn't think you'd ever forget someone who saved your kingdom and your life and destroyed an Evil King. I doubt Zelda would do that.
Also 'Not recognise him'? They're dressed exactly the same, and have the same appearance!
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Old 06-22-2006, 11:36 AM
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I suppose the "falling in" idea is supported, but it still could be metaphorical.

Forgetting someone and not recognizing them are two totally different things. I've been mistaken by close friends of mine for someone else before, and I had only gone without seeing them for a year or so. Certainly a number of years would weigh on a person's ability to recognize someone. That, and people change drastically as far as physical appearance between the ages of 11 and 17, or whatever ages the respective Links in these games are.
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Old 06-22-2006, 11:41 AM
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one thing, if you actually played MC, you may find that Vatti becomes good after you defeat him and returns with Ezlo to the minish portal before it closes.
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Old 06-22-2006, 11:50 AM
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It is impossible for there to be only one Link which would be almost obvious as many of the games are split hundreds of years apart in the the timeline.
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one thing, if you actually played MC, you may find that Vatti becomes good after you defeat him and returns with Ezlo to the minish portal before it closes.
Which is why you never see his Picori/Human form ever again.
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Old 06-22-2006, 03:37 PM
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Forgetting someone and not recognizing them are two totally different things. I've been mistaken by close friends of mine for someone else before, and I had only gone without seeing them for a year or so. Certainly a number of years would weigh on a person's ability to recognize someone. That, and people change drastically as far as physical appearance between the ages of 11 and 17, or whatever ages the respective Links in these games are.
Understood, but the Links always resemble each other and I still believe it would be difficult for Zelda to not recognise Link. I'm fairly sure a person never forgets the image of a true hero, especially if said person has encountered said Hero several times.
ALttP Link and Oracles Link don't look very different. They both have blond hair, blue eyes, green tunics and caps. You don't encounter many people like that in Zelda, apart from the Kokiri, but they're long gone by ALttP.
I'm also wondering, does anyone think Oracles Link looks a bit younger than other incarnations? I just get the impression that he's a bit younger than the other Links by looking at some scenes from the games comparing him with other characters, but that's just me.

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I suppose the "falling in" idea is supported, but it still could be metaphorical.
Fair enough, but you may be overthinking it. I don't think Nintendo wanted such a fuss about the begining scenes. They probably just wanted to get him to the worlds quickly.
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ALttP Link and Oracles Link don't look very different. They both have blond hair, blue eyes, green tunics and caps. You don't encounter many people like that in Zelda, apart from the Kokiri, but they're long gone by ALttP.
And, yet, Malon doesn't recognize you at first when you return to Lon Lon Ranch as an adult.

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Fair enough, but you may be overthinking it. I don't think Nintendo wanted such a fuss about the begining scenes. They probably just wanted to get him to the worlds quickly.
'Transportation by the Triforce? Sure, why not?'
Or just... "you know, why don't we make the beginning of this game a bit of a mystery, so people'll argue over it while we make the next game.
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Old 06-22-2006, 04:10 PM
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