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08-01-2012, 05:53 PM
THUNDER PROPHET ARRGH
Join Date: Sep 2007
Re: Political Ideology
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We are talking about an issue of right or wrong. The working class (or at least EVERYONE I know who falls in that category)
to be "oppressed" by the laws of the market than by a government (or societal coercion, which would be necessary to create and maintain a left-libertarian nation)
So you do not wish any longer to debate the merits of right-libertarianism or left-libertarianism? The arguments which I've presented regarding the inherent tendency in unregulated capitalism towards monopolies, the negative correlation between concentration of wealth and social mobility/societal well-being in 1st world countries, the idea of the capitalist workplace as a fundamentally autocratic enviroment, the collapse of worker's rights in a right-libertarian society and the rancher community's dependence on subsidies fly right out the window because your personal aquaintances still believe in the lie that modern America provides a level playing field and that the poverty and lack of social mobility that runs rife amongst the poor in America is something to be preferred to all other options?
I actually put some effort into responding to you, but everytime I do it seems the majority of my arguments are not even adressed. Are the arguments of your opposition completely irrelevant to you?
I don't see a trickle either direction. The rich are beneficial to society and so are the working class, no one more than the other. If something benefits the rich, it also benefits the working and vice versa. there is no 'us vs them'
Trickle-down economics is a rather vital part of current American right-wing rhetoric. Check it out.
This is rather easily refuted by pointing out that for the last three decades the top 1% in America have had it better than ever, while living standards among working- and middle-class Americans have either become stagnant or actually decreased.
And bottom-line is afaik the working class
right-Libertarianism (at least in the US), which should come before any half-assed economic theory
Half-assed economic theory? Like
, you mean? And no, nothing really seems to indicate that the working class strive for right-liberitarianism. Aside from personal anecdote, what are you using to back that up?
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