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Originally Posted by langford
If you haven't seen it, then you haven't been looking. The only way to fit FSA in front of LTTP is if you ignore the destruction of the Hyrule in WW.
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Um, as far as I know, most people believe in some kind of deflooding process as a result of the Deku Tree and Koroks success and/or that the Hyrule that appears in games after WW is a new one founded by Link and Tetra sometime after WW and PH.
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the loss of the Gerudo Tribe in WW
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Actually, Jolene the pirate from PH looks rather like a Gerudo, and you remember all those pirate ships in WW that you never saw who they were manned by? Could have been Gerudo. I mean, thieves becoming pirates is NOT that much of a stretch of the imagination.
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the loss of the Master Sword in WW
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Could have been found again after the deflooding.
[quote] the loss of the ancient ruins and desert in WW[/qutoe]
Um... deflood?
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the loss of monarchy and it's traditions
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Oh, please. Those are human inventions. Is it so strange that the people of Hyrule would return to it after it deflooded or a new one was found even if they'd lost them? In fact, if it is a new land, it's very probably that monarchy would be returned, as it would have been established by Link and Tetra, who had known King Daphnes and knew of old Hyrule.
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The loss of the Pedestal of Time.
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I admit, you have me at a loss there, as the Temple of Time would have crumbled and eroded from all the water.
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It also requires either ignoring that OOT is the Imprisoning War, or desperately pretending that the Imprisoning War suddenly means to tell a different story than it always did before.
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Actually, it doesn't. Me, Lex, and Erimgard I know for sure (I think Hombre as well), all place WW and FSA between OoT and ALttP and believe, and have several times defended that belief, that OoT still fits just fine as the IW. This problem about putting games in between OoT and ALttP is one that is just made up by people who, for some reason or another, can't accept that games go in between those two. Even though Miyamoto himself once said, although it has since changed, that the timeline was OoT - LoZ - AoL - ALttP. He obviously felt that there was no problem with sticking games in between those two, and he created the freaking games.
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Ignoring these conflicts takes the form of claims that big event happen unseen between the games such as a total identical rebuilding, deserts artifacts, traditions and all. It completely ignores that there is no plot connection between the games
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And pray tell, how do FSA and ALttP have no plot connection? Some people think they have so much connection that they stick ALttP and FSA on the child timeline and call FSA the IW. Hell, I was even one of those people once. So, how do FSA and ALttP not have any plot connection?
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and it assumes that the easter eggs in the GBC version is somehow special amongst the versions and somehow more important than any other release
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The "easter egg" in GBA ALttP is only important because it was added in its re-release, and it can still make perfect sense. Other easter eggs, such as the MS in OoX, make absolutely no sense when trying to piece together a timeline, so of course they are discarded. However, because of the plot connections between FSA and ALttP, the Four Sword making an appearance in ALttP is completely acceptable. Which leads me right into your next point:
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even though attempting to see the easter egg as canon requires a broad imaginary scenario to be invented that is completely contrary to the plot of the game it's self.
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The appearance of the Four Sword in ALttP in fact adds to the theory that at least part of the IW could be in FSA. Plus, since FSA came out AFTER the GBA port of ALttP, and they added the Four Sword into that game, do you really think it was an accident that FSA does bear some resemblance to the IW? I'd say that that easter egg agrees with ALttP's plot more than contradicts it.
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All of this to support the already shaky and bizarre idea that games are placed after the destruction of Hyrule.
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I'm thinking of a word. Can you guess it? It's... deflood.
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It's a layering of many theories that become harder and harder to believe because new theories are based on other theories, while canon material is ignored or reinterpreted to conform to the stack of theories.
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According to statements from the creators, OoT is the IW of ALttP. Now, they haven't come out with any statements yet that contradict that thought, and the game itself corroborates their statements, so I think its safe to assume that they are right. We also have statements from the creators saying that the WW takes place hundreds of years after OoT on the adult side. Now, in the ALttP manual, it says that there were "several" generations between the IW and the events of ALttP. Now, a generation is usually accepted to be anywhere between 20 and 40 years, so we'll take the average of that and say that a generation is 30 years. Now, it only takes 6 generations to add up to more than 200 years, and I'm guessing that several means more than six, so its pretty clear that they meant WW to be before ALttP, but after OoT. So, that gives us the timeline of:
OoT - WW/PH - ALttP
I add PH only for completions sake. It is not of relevance to this timeline as everybody knows it is a direct sequel to WW. So, the only theory that is involved in this timeline is placing FSA between WW and ALttP, contrary to your statements about "layering theories on theories," we are in fact laying theories on mostly solid fact. Though there was a little guesswork with the "several generations" of ALttP, it is very minuscule, and about as close to fact as you can get in the Zelda timeline.
So, placing WW and FSA between OoT and ALttP isn't nearly as far fetched as you make it sound.