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Originally Posted by mohammedali
Think about what you're saying. The mention of Triumph Forks is not indictive of anything of real relevance.
Firstly, both games mentioning Triumph Forks doesn't suggest which comes first. Otherwise, one could argue that dinosaurs being mentioned in the film Jurrasic Park and also in the 1930s means the 1930s comes after Jurrasic Park - this is obviously all non-sense.
Triumph Forks could be a term used from way before WW. This further shows how the above point does not suggest any order. For all we know, the term Triumph Forks was used by people who didn't know any better.
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How dare you?! You sit here and ask for something more than anecdotal evidence, and then someone actually comes up with something valid and you ignore it! This is a rather obvious connection, the same way that if there was another game that featured a Dark Mirror, everyone would be jumping on it saying that it must be connected FSA. This is just ridiculous that you would even TRY to say that there is no connection between the two games. Oh, and here's why MC couldn't come before. Do you see how the MC map has a lot more water than other maps? Combine that with the Triumph Forks reference and it's got to be post-flood. Unless you're trying to claim that the goddesses flooded Hyrule in stages, which would be preposterous because the original point of flooding Hyrule was to keep it from Ganondorf, so of course it would have to be fast.
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PH is IMO similar to Koholint Island. It has characters and creatures from other Zelda games across different times, but isn't actually real. It's no different to LA and MM, and just like those games, you can't use it as evidence for what is in Hyrule world.
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No, it's not. I admit, that if only characters in PH showed up in other games, you'd have a bit more of a point. But in WW (the one we know is real), the Iceman in Windfall Island references the ice island in PH. He also dresses similarly. And what does he say got him there? Not the Ghost Ship, but an ill gust of wind. Not to mention, as Lex has already mentioned, Link has the PH in the end! This proves that it is not a dream. At the very least, we would have to call the Realm of the Ocean King another dimension, but since so many people travel through this giant vortex sitting around somewhere, I highly doubt that PH is another dimension. Nothing more than a far off patch of sea.
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All you've done is tried to explain how it *could* be placed there, not why it *should*.
I can sit and give you a fanfic based answer of how LA could follow straight after MM, but that wouldn't tell you why it should.
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Yeah, but enough coulds usually add up to a greater should. You're talking about a LOT of coincidences here.
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If you reread what I asked, it was to give reasons for why a post flood placement of FSA is suggested by the canon evidence... NOT how could you justify a post flood placement.
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If you're asking for ultimate proof, that's pretty hard to come by in a Zelda timeline theory. In fact, about all we have are justifications, and coulds. People just decide what justifications they can live with, and what they can't. That's really about the only thing that makes differences in timelines.
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As to your question, that's simple. aLttP isn't in the Adult Timeline. So the timeline works like this...
OoT - Ganondorf doesn't get sealed in the SR in the child ending as he fails to take over and gets rejected as Gerudo leader.
FSA - The rejected leader tries to take over Hyrule and is sealed in the Four Swords.
ALttP - Ganon breaks the seal but is defeated by Link.
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This is relevant, and in my opinion, this is proof that FSA goes post WW, so guess what, I'm going to respond to it. How a game fits into the timeline is a huge factor in deciding its placement. So tell me, how does the seal get on the SR in the child timeline? Also, where does TP go, as that placement is quite relevant? The truth is, the only way you can justify ALttP being on the child timeline is to come up with a "fanfic" explanation for how FSA is the IW. Believe me, I know. I used to believe this as well. I used to believe in:
OoT - MM - TP - FSA - ALttP
But guess what, there is no IW on that timeline without coming up with said fanfic explanation. But if you place ALttP on the adult timeline, no fanfic needed. OoT is the IW.
[quote]If Ganondorf is out, and he gets all his powers, why would the OoT seal still be intact?[/quote
Because we know that in ALttP he needs the maidens power to unlock the seal. However he got out in WW, it wasn't by breaking the seal.
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Why would that seal matter?
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Are you suggesting that they called a war the Seal War, but it didn't actually have anything to do with sealing something away? Also, we know there is a seal on the SR at the beginning of ALttP. That's why Ganondorf is using the power of the maidens. So, the seal very much matters.
[quote]Why would it effect the 'new' Ganondorf (which is a silly idea given he's always the one constant in the games.[quote]
Because if there is still a seal on the Sacred Realm when he is put in it, ala Four Sword, then it would still affect him.
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What about Ganondorf being confirmed in OoT to be the same as the one in aLttP BS?
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First of all, I don't know when it was confirmed, but here's what I believe about that. At the end of WW, only Ganondorf's body died, but the spirit of Ganon lived on (I believe this for several reasons, and I will not give all of them now, but if you'd like me to elaborate in my next post, I can). Ganon then found a new home in the Trident. When FSA Ganondorf grabbed the trident, the spirit of Ganon possessed him, thus turning him from Ganondorf, to the Blue Pig Ganon we know and love. This accounts for several things. One, how it can be the same Ganondorf. It's a new body, but the same villain inhabits it. Two, how Blue Pig Ganon even came into existence. And three, why ALttP and OoX Ganon has the Trident.
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You seem to be forgetting a lot of obvious facts... but as I said before, let's not get sidetracked right now.
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As I said before, this is not getting sidetracked. How games fit in with the timeline around them is a very important part of placing them. One that we cannot forget, especially if we do in fact need to come up with a new placement for FSA, as you believe. I'm just using the timeline to show you how we don't need a new placement, because FSA fits nearly perfectly between WW and ALttP on the adult timeline.