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Old 05-08-2008, 02:23 AM
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Re: Zora to Rito...? What?!

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Originally Posted by Aralith View Post
Okay, I know that there already has been some doubt placed on the belief that the Rito evolved from the Zora, but I was playing WW yesterday and came across the Rito again and really began to question it. I think I can pretty much disprove any connection between them, except perhaps with Medli, though I have an explanation for them. Before I begin, I must stress that I am basing my knowledge of evolution purely on an earthly one. It could work differently in Hyrule, but since we cannot judge one way or another, I am going to assume that evolution works the same way in Hyrule as it does in the real world. Okay, so here goes.
Here we go again.

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First off, how or why would a fish species evolve into anything else after a Great Flood caused the entire world to be their own freaking habitat.
So many reasons:
- Saltwater?
- Temperature change (which can be deadly fo Zoras)
- no prey for the Zoras in the great sea
- but plenty of predators which would be after the Zoras
- the Goddesses wanting to keep old Hyrule a secret

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Secondly, if Dragon Roost Island is indeed Death Mountain, then why would the Gorons be salesman on the sea if their home is still above water? And the fact their bird leads me right into point three.
Dodongos cavern is gone/ flooded, their main source for food is lost.
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Why in the world would a bird species be flying around a volcano? One that is clearly still active. WTF? Granted this was the developers mistake, but still, pretty stupid.
Because their serve a fire/wind deity, that seems to prefere this volcanic surrounding. They are dependant on Valoo because they get their wings from him.

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Fourth, according to statements by Aonuma, WW takes place just over one hundred years after OoT. Even if the Zora could evolve into Rito, it would take far longer than that.
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Originally Posted by Daphnes
So, before the sealing of the kingdom,
the gods chose those who would build a
new country and commanded them to take
refuge on the mountaintops.

Those people were your ancestors.

Hundreds of years have passed since then...
Ingame quotes > developer quotes, and see Erimgards comment about the possible misstranslation.

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Fifth, even if the Zora did magically evolve into the Rito, why would the Zora be gone as well? While natural selection does involve death of another species to give way to a better one, the previous species only dies if their habitat ceases to exist or a better hunter kills all of them. Since the Zora are an intelligent race, and because their habitat is now most of the world, even if some Zora did evolve into Rito, some Zora would still remain.
I personally think that there were Zoras that did for whatever reason not adapt to the land/stayed in the water.
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And finally, all the Zora have red eyes. Before WW, this was a trait known only to appear in the Shiekah. This is, of course, with the exception of Kafei, but he may be a Shiekah. Cannot say for sure, but then again, Termina is an alternate world and not exactly parallel to Hyrule in every respect it would seem, as the Shiekah are not in MM. Anyways, yeah, red eyes only appeared in Shiekah before WW.
So Midna, Veran, Vaati, Kafei, Din(the Oracle) and most people of the Windtribe are Sheikahs then?

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I therefore propose that the Rito are actually far more likely to have come from the Shiekah than the Zora. If we look at the lineage from the Zora to the Rito, it goes as such: water/land - permanent land - air/land. I added in permanent land establishment as going straight from water to air is impossible. Notice that in our world, fish became amphibians became reptiles became birds. Fish had to establish a permanent society on land as reptiles before they could take to the sky. The same thing would have to happen in Hyrule, so we can't go straight from water to air. Whereas if we look at the Shiekah to Rito lineage, it would go like so: permanent land - air/land. Far more plausible to happen in the time frame we're talking about than the Zora to Rito lineage.
They show zero cultural relation to the Sheikah, if anything Gerudos are a more likeley choice if you searching for a land-race that could evolve into the Rito.

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Oh and about Medli. As far as I know, she is the only Rito with hair, other than Komali for some reason, suggesting that they have a slightly different lineage than the other Rito. Especially since the descendant of the Zora sage is Medli. Also, Medli has the Zora emblem on her dress, so it is possible that she came from interbreeding, and that the Zora are not the common ancestor of the Rito.
They all have hair, their hair turns white when they grow up (at least the males have this feature, we can't tell about the females because we never see an adult female Rito).
If you look at Komali as a little child then his hair is brown at the back and white in the front. If you look at him as a teenager his hair is completly white.
Komali also has the Zora emblem on his clothing (nnear the flower) and he is part of the royality which one would susspect to be pure blooded.


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Oh, just as a funny aside, how the hell did Medli happen? It looks like a Zora, a Shiekah, a bird, and Malon got together and created... it.
It really does look like that.O_o
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