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Old 04-28-2008, 01:04 PM
Erimgard Erimgard is offline
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The "Freshly Picked Oracles" Timeline

Well, as some of you may know, I've been pretty set with a timeline for quite some time:

...../WW-PH--MC--FS-FSA--aLttP-LA
OoT
.....\MM--TP--LoZ-AoL-OoS-OoA

However, last night I was thoroughly convinced by ManInTheMoon aka MercuryMule to change my timeline. The reason, this thread:
http://www.vgrc.net/forums/index.php...=0&#entry26168

also veiwable here:

Oracle Placement: Soon after Wind Waker?

I thought this was significant enough for me to post my official timeline as a thread, something I've never done before.
So, in light of the fact that my entire timeline has been changed because of Tingle I've named this theory the Freshly Picked Oracles Timeline Theory!

...../WW-PH--LoZ-AoL-OoX-[FPTRR]-MC--FS-FSA--aLttP-LA
OoT
.....\MM--TP

OoT
As you probably know, the ending of Ocarina of Time resulted in a split of the timeline. The adult side has Ganondorf sealed in the Sacred Realm, the Triforce split, and no Link. The Child Side has Link going back to a time before he met Zelda, and thwarting Ganondorf's plan to enter the Sacred Realm.

Child Timeline
The Triforce is split due to a divine prank:
The Execution and the Divine Prank

And with Ganondorf unable to enter the Sacred Realm, Link goes off to Termina, thinking there is no danger.

MM happens.

Ganondorf attempts to enter the Sacred Realm, is subdued and executed, survives, and is banished to the Sacred Realm.

TP happens.

Adult Timeline
Somehow, Ganondorf manages to escape the seal of the Sacred Realm/Dark Realm, and the goddesses flood Hyrule.

WW happens.
PH happens.

Either the Koroks and the Deku Tree are successful in bringing some of the islands together [which I will touch on later], or Link and Tetra find a new land, or both.

The new land is established, and somehow the Triforce is rediscovered. Because we don't know for sure what happened to it at the end of WW, it's hard to say exactly how it was found.

The AoL backstory happens.

Somehow, Ganon returns. It seems no mater where you put LoZ at, you have the 'unexplained Ganon' problem. I've chosen to put LoZ-AoL here because I believe they connect very well with OoX.
LoZ happens.
AoL happens.
OoX happens.

Twinrova in OoX has to either be a reincarnation, or the fulfillment of their threat to "haunt" Link.
Sometime after OoX, the Triforce is returned to the Sacred Realm. Whether it be by Link's wishing upon it, or being physically taken there is not known. aLttP states that it was 'hidden' in the Sacred Realm, but that's likely metaphorical of the difficulty in entering the Sacred Realm.

Next come's FPTRR.
Though many may not consider this to be a "real" game because it doesn't have Link as the protagonist. However, I think the game was clearly meant to be taken seriously, and to have timeline connotations. As brought up by ManInTheMoon, references are made to the happenings of OoX, showing that it belongs after OoX, but the world is depicted as a series of islands. The islands are close together, and even connected by bridges and called "continents". I believe this to be a clear indicator that the Hyrule we see in MC is the result of the Koroks success.



The islnds get bigger and closer until they eventually become one.The presence of places like "Lon Lon meadow" are indicators to me that the areas we see in MC were once islands. Also, this nullfies the concept that MC and FSA have to be close to OoT becuase of containing Lon Lon ranch.

While I can't say for certain, as hinted at earlier, I think it's possible that the Koroks succeeded and Link/Tetra found a new land. The Hyrule of LoZ and AoL could be the new land, while the Hyrule of MC could be the Korok's Hyrule. LoZ is called "a little kingdom in the land of Hyrule", suggesting that it doesn't necessarily have to be Hyrule proper. While my theory doesn't hinge up on this, I think it's an interesting possibility.

MC backstory happens
MC happens
FS backstory happens
FS happens

A new Ganondorf is born to the Gerudos. He acquires the Trident, once wielded by Ganon from OoX, and turns into Blue Pig Ganon.
According to Jumbie's Translations, FSA's quote about Ganondorf being reborn is literally translated as "King of Darkness… The man who took the Trident, the evil device (ja-ki) of the demon resurrected from ancient times!!"

Japanese Translation Update: FSA Ganondorf is not an "ancient demon reborn".

The context of it seems to suggest that the it's not FSA Ganondorf who has been reborn [though he apparently has too, judging by the game] but that the Trident was owned by a Demon who was resurrected. OoX Ganon fits that description very well.
It's possible that OoX Ganon's soul is harbored in the Trident, or that it just turns whoever touches it evil because it was previously owned by the King of Evil. Either way, it appears that we have a new Ganondorf who picks up a Trident previously owned by a resurrected Demon, and then becomes Blue Pig Ganon. He then steals the Dark Mirror, which I believe to be the Mirror of Twilight.

FSA happens.
Sometime after FSA, Ganon enters the Sacred Realm, and is stuck because the seal of OoT still remains.
In this way, the IW is still OoT, but there doesn't have to be a direct progression of IW to aLttP.

LA happens.

Well, that's what I've come up with. Questions, comments, or thoughts?

Also, I'd like to say that [LoZ-AoL] was very difficult to place. I think there are two places where they make a lot of sense:
Just before the Oracles
Just after the Oracles

And maybe even at the end of the timeline after LA.

The fact that FPTRR and possibly FSA make reference to OoX, but not LoZ-AoL was perhaps the main reason why I decided to place LoZ-AoL pre-OoX.
If LoZ-AoL were a more recent happening, I think they would get more recognition that OoX.
Aso, I think the state of the Triforce is pretty congruent from the AoL ending to the OoX beginning.

So, to clear up any confusion about how I see Ganon in the series, it goes as such:

OoT, WW, TP: Original Ganondorf
LoZ: Unknown, but possibly a revival of Original Ganondorf
OoX: Revival of LoZ Ganon
FSA: New Ganondorf possessed by th spirit of LoZ/OoX Ganon
aLttP: FSA Ganon

So, I believe in two Ganondorfs in this timeline, but likely the same Ganon spirit connecting them.
So, have at it ZU!
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