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Originally Posted by Rhalen
It's rather simple:
God got here by being. He has no beginning and no end. Ergo was not born.
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But see, here's the problem, if god can just be, then so could the universe. In fact, since the universe is not a living object, and therefore at least somewhat less complex than living organism, it would actually be more likely that the universe would have spontaneously generated than something more complex than it. However, I have actually fixed this problem with my explanation. If i was god, and I had actually been born, but outside of space and time (and therefore, completely unrelatable to humans) I would have just told them that I was eternal, because at that point I might as well be, at least in the eyes of humans.
So, god is eternal, but does have a creation, therefore satisfying the contradiction created when one says, "God can just be, but the universe can't." God does just be, but he also has an origin. I told this to a pastor friend of mine and he completely agreed that that was possible, so I don't really see how its a contradiction with any biblical statements. At least, I'm assuming you see a contradiction, otherwise you wouldn't really refute it, right?
Also, I'm not really saying born in the typical sense, hence the quotation marks around it. I'm just saying that he has some kind of origin, which, to me at least, everything would have to have an origin. So, it would at least satisfy my curiosity. Of course that would only really matter if I believed in him, which I don't, so it's kind of a moot point for me. Just something interesting to discuss.