Well, from what I got from that video I don't think that Collins thinks Adam and Eve actually existed, I guess I could be wrong, but I'm guessing that God won't hold it against me if I don't believe in Adam and Eve, but take them for the biblical truth I'm taught in my church. So this is something I've never concerned myself with.

I wrote some notes on the video as I watched it. They kind of died towards the end, but these are some things I took from it, and just some questions I'm just going to throw out there.

Why is there something instead of nothing?

That is a very, very hard question to think about, and I'm glad Collins brought it up, becuase that is the very thing that kept me from ever calling myself an atheist. Something insides me refuses to believe that there is not something beyond what we see as natural at work that made everything possible, and to me that is God. If it's the same as the Christian God, I cannot say yet if it is personally to me, but I'm working on it, beleive me, I'm working on it.

Why does math work?
This, on the opposite, I've never actually thought about, but I will say that math is a very beautiful thing, and while I will not reject the idea that math could work differently in a parallel universe or whatever, the whole 15 constants thing made me think of the wonder of math, how things just work so perfectly. It was thought provoking is all I could really say on the subject.

He also said something about Occam's Razor pointing to a creator being more likely than infinite parallel universes, and I didn't really like that all that much. I guess to me Occam's Razor only works with within the laws of our universe (I know that it's really a philosophical thing, Occam's Razor and not scientific) but it rubs me the wrong way to let something supernatural fall under its ideology, though that could be just me.

He also said something that I wrote down here that I found very humorous.

"A Universal feature of humanity unique to our species." It makes perfect sense, but it just goes to show how language makes things look odd. Universal doesn't seem to work well in a sentence with unique, which just made it oddish, though it is a very, very thought provoking idea and one I agree with 100%

But I'd also like to turn the conversation that he said toward something else. He, and it seems he got his idea for this argument from C.S Lewis, which I will talk about later, was talking about how we have a universal idea of morality, and he basically made the claim that that was beyond human ideology, that since it is within us all it had to come from somewhere, and even if I agree with this, I really don't understand why Justice can't just be a man made fact. At least, that what I think I'm agruing, admittedly my notes on this suck.

But I don't exactly see why good and evil are supernatural to him. Why couldn't we have evolved into this mindset? I expect this argument can be torn apart easily, and I'm not really trying to argue with it, so I guess I'm just asking your opinion on the whole good and evil thing.

That's really all I can decipher from my notes, and I wish I took better ones so I can have a more expansive opinion on this whole thing, but I guess I feel what I have so far is sufficent enough. The speech was in no way boring as you initially explained it, and it kept my interest the entire way though, and I would like to thank you for sharing it. If you would, can you tell me your ideas on it? Anything you disagreed with/liked? I'm curious.

Also, I picked up a copy of Mere Christianity today. Have you read it? I'm on chapter 3 only, but so far it is very good. I almost got Collins's new book, but I got this one instead and plan to get his at a later date. So if you want to take anything out of your thread, know that it has seriously got me thinking, and I thank you.

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